Progressed Mars and the US-- Rockie horoscope for this week

[Mandate My Ass]

Martial law or another American revolution? This weekend, for the first time in the USA’s 230-year history, progressed Mars will turn retrograde. (“A day for a year” is how secondary progressions work, e.g., 230 days after our July 4, 1776 birthday Mars stopped moving forward and flipped into reverse.) The direction it’ll be heading for the next 80 years. That this astrological event takes place at 18 Libra which is Bush’s natal Jupiter (What, me worry?) adds another dimension to what is already a scary scenario. Let’s hope that the favorable trine progressed Mars in Libra makes to its original spot in the USA chart at 21 Gemini (in our seventh house of allies and adversaries) will soften whatever blow we’re in for. As luck would have it, a very lucky Venus-Jupiter trine occurs this week as well.

http://www.rockiehoroscope.com/cgi-bin/getReading.cgi?general

Astrologers, any thoughts?

[Pathwalker]

1. Here's two articles that discuss this:

http://www.ancientsky.com/President-Prediction.htm

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch05/0502feb/feature.shtml

This is not good for the US - period. I vaguely remember a thread (searched but couldn't find it) where Pallas said that no individual survives this aspect in their natal chart.
Hopefully these links will help further the discussion.

[Mandate My Ass]

2. Thanks, NB

That first link was very good. A lot more detailed and a bit more scary.

The US Progressed Mars retrograde makes a similar statement, this from the US 10th house. The retrograde of Mars points to a wicked judgement that will affect the country for the next 40 years. Will it be an electorate that rises to the occasion to seize back their democracy? Or, will the president prevail and bomb Iran because we have plenty of army still at home with mom, those born when Uranus, Saturn and Neptune were conjoined in Capricorn, years 1986 and 1989... and thus are "draftable."

The return of Pluto to its place in the US chart suggests that the next area of conflagration and massive transformation is the corporation and their status as "citizen." We may watch some of the biggest corporations get bigger, and find out that for the last five years, nobody is overlooking the corporations who are forming monopolies and creating massive new profits on the backs of "the mythical little guy."


I don't think the electorate is anywhere near to "rising up and seizing back democracy." We'll see. I also get the heebie geebies about the corporations, especially now that we know the whole TIA program has been running secretly although Congress shut it down. The corporations are providing the gov't with all of our sensitive info.

The second link didn't work for me.

[Pathwalker]

4. Okay, try this:

www.daykeeperjournal.com

you'll have to search for the article tho. Sorry about the link - it worked for me. :shrug:

On edit: it's a Feb. 2005 article.

[Mandate My Ass]

5. thank you again

I really appreciate your help. I'm trying to pick up some astrology familiarity and some personal horoscope sites give planet and house info and then break down what it means. This progressed Mars seems like a baaaaaaaaaad omen.

http://astrology-reading.com.au/horoscope-reading.predictions_2006.html

1. The horoscopes of the USA and Iran show the USA Saturn at 15 Libra conjunct the Iranian Pluto at 18 Libra. The combined energy present is that of a “mass murderer”, showing a “fanatical adherence to one’s beliefs”, a “martyr” and “self destructive energy”. In the author’s opinion, both countries were founded by and are at present governed by religious fanatics. President George W Bush is a born-again Christian who believes he gets his orders to go to war (in Iraq) directly from God. Frightening! The Iranian Islamists are arguably even more extreme religious fanatics. If these two countries go to war “to do their God’s work on Earth” the ruthless brutality of the war, as clearly shown by the Saturn-Pluto conjunction between the two countries, has the potential to shock the world. The Saturn and Pluto* conjunction clearly shows that neither country will back down. The USA Saturn may attack, but the Iran Pluto will have a lasting hatred and fanaticism which will terrify the USA. The conflict may go on for a very long time.

<* The Israeli horoscope [14 May 1948, 4:06 pm, Tel Aviv, Israel> has a very close Saturn (16 Leo) and Pluto (13 Leo) conjunction. Reinhold Ebertin, a German-Jew, was arguably the greatest astrologer of the 20th century. He described the Saturn conjunct Pluto as: “violence, mass murderer”! The cold, ruthless brutality of the Israelis towards the Palestinians shows they learnt a great deal from the Nazis. Clearly the USA and Iran Saturn-Pluto conjunction is frightening.]

2. The USA Neptune at 22 Virgo is opposite the Iranian Mars at 25 Pisces. Many cynics would claim the USA’s military operations in the Middle East revolve around control of oil. Neptune rules oil. Mars rules war. The USA Neptune constantly drains the energy out of the Iran Mars.

[Pathwalker]

6. Were you able to find the article?

If not, I'll try to copy and paste some of it for you. Yes, it IS a bad omen, indeed. I don't think we'll recognize the world in a year. Things are going to get a LOT worse before they get better. I've tried to warn people, but I got tired of being called Cassandra.
The problem with Mars is that it can signify violence, and since retrograde planets turn that energy inward - it could signify the beginning of violence within the US - and that's what worries me. Add all those other aspects to it and...well, you can see from those articles what might happen.

[Mandate My Ass]

7. No

for some reason I can't open it. I keep getting that message: the site you're trying to reach is inaccessible. Or something like that. Plus I'm at work so the filters are different but I would have gotten an "access denied" message if that was the case.

However, I'll try when I go home. Sometimes I have better luck there.

BTW, I cringe during every mercury retrograde. This one has been tough, particularly in my job. x(

[Pathwalker]

8. Here's a few tidbits, then.

Another debility in this case is that it is Mars that is turning retrograde. Mars, the planet of energy, determination, and purpose is happy traveling direct, but is thwarted and distorted when traveling retrograde. Retrograde is backwards and indirect, apparently away from the goal rather than towards it. Retrograde is inward rather than outward, not Mars’ cup of tea at all. Retrograde goes back in time, while Mars likes to rush ahead.

snip

It is, in fact, apparent to all that the U.S. Mars is having a very difficult time, and that U.S. aims and actions are confused. This condition will worsen until the U.S. learns how to work with its retrograde Mars. This will require several to many years, depending on how quickly we learn.

snip

In fact, as the Age of Oil winds down, a retrograde Mars could be a very big asset for the nation. Retrograde qualities can help us to make the kinds of changes in lifestyle which will be imperative.

Isolationism is another retrograde quality, and particularly when it is Mars that is retrograde. We have seen the U.S., for example, refuse to participate in such world consensuses as the Kyoto Treaty, the Land Mine Treaty, the World Court, and other world agreements, or in agreements with other nations.
These are just four paragraphs, and it's a long article - well worth reading. Hopefully you can access it at home.

There IS hope, though! NGU!

[rumpel]

15. I believe then, it is rather good than bad

if the US currently = bush & co will not get it's way?

We probably have to get the chart for the EU and UN into the mix and see to get a better picture.

I will see what I can find.....

:)

[Mandate My Ass]

18. Wow thanks

Once again the world wants a ceasefire in Lebanon and Condi mouths platitudes about the birth of a new Middle East. I'm horrified and ashamed at what we're sanctioning against the people of Lebanon. Their country is devastated and is only creating enemies where none existed before.

I wonder if a retrograde Mars (warrior) could also mean violence gone wrong or violence that backfires on the stronger fighter.

Thanks for your input. I've been glued to LBN for several days.

[Pathwalker]

19. Well, the did start this during a Mercury retrograde,

so it won't go as planned, but I think the retrograde Mars will only intensify the problems for them.
I'm as horrified and ashamed as you are, but this is a challenge we must overcome, or all is lost, for everyone. King Abdullah warned that this might explode into a regional war - :scared: , and since he's one of the mosty reasonable leaders in that area, I take his warning seriously. Time will tell.

[Grateful for Hope]

11. I do respect astrology

but, when you say that "Pallas said that no individual survives this aspect in their natal chart", I have to wonder.

Do you think that we have no say in our destinies? Do you think that the planets' rule is more powerful than each individual rule?

I sure do not think so.

[Pathwalker]

16. Hi Hope2006. Of course no planet can force anything

to happen - but it can put you in certain situations, where you will react one way or another. It is HOW you react to those situations that matters. Although "some" things in our lives are fated, and beyond our control, for the most part, our "destiny" is entirely in our own hands. Secondly, this is only one aspect, albeit one that should urge anyone to exercise caution when this singular aspect is triggered by other difficult aspects that could portend violence.
Some aspects suggest opportunities, but as Henry Ford once said; "The problems with opportunity is that it shows up in work clothes." Other aspects suggest conflicts: how will you react? Will you, being forewarned about the potential for conflict, temper your reaction, or will you barge right in, proclaiming the devil with the consequences? Each reaction will bring a different result to the same aspect.
As the old saying goes: The stars impel, they do not compel. Your stars don't force you to do anything, but they can place situations in front of you, or lead you TO a certain path - whether or not you choose to travel that path is your decision, or how you react to that situation is your decision.

However, progressed aspects are long lasting(1 day = 1 year), so prudence is definitely in order, and this aspect is too important to ignore. By itself, no big deal, but during those times where this aspect is stressed by other strong aspects, one would be foolish to NOT use the utmost caution at those times.
This aspect is in our Nation's chart, and so portends a time of great danger for this nation. Will we march toward Armageddon, or will we be the conscientious objector who refuses to join the march to destruction. That's entirely up to us. All of us. Only time will tell.

I only know 2 people who had this aspect in their natal chart. One was my brother, who committed suicide. The other was a dear friend who was very brutally murdered by her ex-husband. Both laughed at my warnings at the time. So, yeah - I take this aspect seriously. But, I also acknowledge that they made their choices, and accepted the consequences for their actions.

[Grateful for Hope]

17. Thank you for elaborating NB

All of this is pretty frightening, but, perhaps being forewarned will be a saving grace.

:scared:

[Delphinus]

12. Did you see the post in this forum

from Mrs. Waverly? The picture? So many people were saying something like they thought he was saying goodbye. I have to admit I didn't see anything like that, but I'm tired and it's not a really good picture. But, it seems to tie in well with what you said here.

[Mandate My Ass]

3. here's a vedic astrology prediction thread

http://www.astroinsight.com/predictions/2006/jul/1.html

President Bush and his administration:

When it comes to dealing with his own administration and also with both the international and domestic issues, president Bush will be experiencing mental strain, misunderstandings, communication breakdowns, delays, unforeseen obstacles, disappointment and frustration in carrying out day-to-activities, and as a result, he will have a very little progress to show for during July 5-29 as his most current operating planet Mercury turns retrograde during that period. In addition, the squaring of retrograde Jupiter with his natal Mercury during the entire month, and Saturn's transit over his natal Mercury and Pluto during the first and the second week respectively will reflect in his continued difficulties and frustration of handling post-war Iraq matters...

Europe: For Europe, except for the last week, the month looks to be fabulous as the positive news will be reflected in economic expansion, general well being and increased happiness. However, Mars-Rahu (July 18-22) quincunx may become responsible for an undesirable event either in the form of natural or manmade disaster.

The heatwave is really hurting Europe right now.

Middle East: Violence and suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan and in Palestine-Israel regions is likely to accelerate during July 1-10, 18-22, and 26-31periods.

More to come, it seems. :-(

[KAT119]

9. Thanks For The Links:-)) 1 More=

www.starlightnews.com Nancy's Blog and the latest entry: "Bush Blunders Bear Poison Fruit". The Uranus square USA Ascendant discussed near end of article. Very insightful, and beautifully written by Nancy as always....

[Pathwalker]

10. Have you seen her article "The Long View?"

It's pretty fabulous too - as always.

[KAT119]

13. Another great astro. link(you may know): www.astroworld.us

discussing the same crucial transits to our 'outer' world....

[Helga Scow Stern]

14. July 2 is the date I have for the US Mars going retrograde.

Does this resonate with anything? I haven't been paying much attention to dates of current events lately. Earlier, I was exploring the time of the US' "birth" being 6:25pm instead of 5:10pm. This is called the Kelleher chart, after Jim Kelleher, the Vedic and Western astrologer who was paid to rectifiy the US chart. After a year of research, he came up with the later time, including historical sources as to a later signing of the Dec. of Ind. I have been watching both charts for a few years and I find the later one predicts things more accurately. It had the solar eclipse right on the house of the presidency before the last election. Most astrologers who use the earlier chart missed that the office would be "absconded with," a clear sign of the eclipse.