My World Soul Theory: tell me what you think please!

[lildreamer316]

See, I have this theory about what is going on in the world and soul growth. You know how different people who study past life experiences say that many people incarnate in soul groups? Such as you are your father's mother next time,and your brother is your daughter, etc. etc. and so it revolves--all of you agreeing, lifetime after lifetime, to help each other with your lessons. Well, what if this were also true on a wider scale? In other words, what if large groups of people, cultures and populations of countries, also are doing the same? Of course this does not apply to everyone all the time, but in a general sense. If you accept that to be quite possible, and also accept that as a soul one starts out knowing almost nothing -soul infancy- and grows into soul adulthood; do not all of the cultural conflicts around the world make sense?

In other words, look at the mideast for example. Yes, people have existed there for a lot longer as the same culture than they have here in America (I am saying we do not have the same culture as the indigenous Native American, because we don't!). However, it is only in the last few hundred years they have been exposed to concepts of ways of being that need SOUL and personal growth to accept (democracy, tolerance of other or non-religious viewpoints and philosophies, ways to settle disputes OTHER than violence). And HOW are they behaving? This is important: LIKE CHILDREN THROWING A TANTRUM WHEN YOU TELL THEM THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING THE WAY THEY WANT TO.

NOW: before you jump my ass saying that I am being racist or some such; calling people of another culture children, please remember I just mean that a majority of them are exhibiting signs of YOUNG SOUL behavior. I believe we can agree on that. Do you consider your children inferior to you because they do not know any better way to behave? No. Well, the same thing applies here. For an interesting contrast, I want you to consider civilizations that have been around just as long a time and who do not act that way anymore. They have fought and learned their lesson. Tibet. Japan (who I believe made quite a jump by the events of WWII). Look at western Europe. For the majority, calm, reasoned, and they STAY OUT OF OTHER COUNTRY'S GROWTH CYCLES. I mean,hell-We helped Germany learn that lesson well. Sweden and the Nordic countries..weren't the Vikings some conquering bastards awhile back? They got that out of their system,and just look at where their culture is now!

Take this theory and apply it to other areas of the world. Sometimes it does not matter how long the culture has been in existence--if you look at their behavior through the lenses of a person growing from childhood to adulthood, it all makes a lot more sense. Africa. The mideast. North Korea. China. (don't worry; they're not done yet).The USSR countries.

Here's where my theory gets interesting: It's true that America is the "greatest" in a sense. Before you get all PC-enraged about that one, let me explain.

Again, if you back up and look at the rest of the world's cultures through the lenses of watching a child mature to an adult, you see that most if not all of them follow the pattern that every one of us does in maturing. The simpleness of childhood, the quick and violent reactions, the argumentative and rebelliousness of the teenage years,also the isolationism; the over-confidence,, impulsiveness and complete self-absorption of young adulthood; the wall of awareness one hits in the 30's; the driving need to accomplish everything in the 40s; the realization and acceptance of those turning 50 and over--and the relaxation and letting go of having to take care of the rest of the family--the "empty nest".
Do you see the pattern?
America has been both lucky and unlucky in this respect. The process seems to have been accelerated for us. Take a look at our history and see. Compare how long it took us to come to revolution from founding to the rest of the world. Then look at how long it took us to come to civil war. THEN look at how quickly we abolished slavery (same thing) and THEN how long it took us to declare women and African Americans equal! Etc.; etc.
Isn't that AMAZING??????
Yes, we should take some pride in it...but it also indicates that we as souls have all agreed to be here for a very important reason--to bring things to a higher level. So, in a sense, yes, we ARE supposed to "bring democracy to the world"--but NOT IN THE WAY "THEY"(administration; neocons) ARE TRYING TO.
We are here--all of us--to do some very good, but very DIFFICULT, soul work. We are here to help the whole planet accelerate their learning cycles. This dark and hard time right now is just our jump to the next step. THIS is why this time is so pivotal, and important. Once we cross this bridge, once we learn this lesson, we are SO on another level!! It's SO SO exciting!! Don't you see?? I'm jumping out of my skin!!
Yes, everything that is happening over there, and here,is horrible. Many people are suffering badly. Remember that the harder the lesson, the worse it is. If we learn this quickly and strongly; we will not have to learn it again. I believe that as bad as it is, you have to marvel that you are here to witness so many souls selflessly sacrificing themselves to allow us to move up and foreword this quickly. It's a fascinating time. The ancient Chinese curse comes to mind, does it not?
This is why I believe in America, still. This is why I believe the experiment will not fail. Of course there is always a chance that it will. It is our choice,as souls, to continue this way, or to let the planet continue to exist on a lower vibrational level. That would still be useful for many souls to learn from; but I believe we have all decided collectively to take it to the next level. The idea of America is wonderful. Yes, we have many flaws; but as a whole; we are progressing in the right direction. This fight we are in--it is so important because we are fighting for our soul evolution on this planet. When I see it in this light, I have the strength to continue. I hope you do too.

There was a Star Trek quote that applies here I saw awhile back. Picard says to Crusher:"Beverly, the Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy, and a very correct one. History's proved, again and again, that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well-intentioned that interference may be, the results are disastrous."
The inference in regards to my theory is that the civilization is "less developed" in a SOUL sense.

Do tell me your thoughts.

[Cerridwen]

1. If I may, I'll add my theory of why the U.S.'s process may be

accelerated.

We are a nation of immigrants. And due to our geography, we have within our borders many high energy places. Perhaps Australia and Canada fit this description, too?

What kind of people leave their nation of birth to create a life in a "new world?"

Thrill seekers, explorers, conquerers, those looking for a better life whether it is better in a monetary way or better in a "lack of persecution" way, "criminals" escaping their countries' laws, and those who are looking to have "room to grow." (Please name others if you think of them.)

We have received in the U.S. people from nations in varying degrees of growth; as you describe them. We were fortunate, that in the early days of the European invasion, we had some who came and be-friended or worked with the indigenous peoples. In the early, early days, there were pockets in which Europeans co-existed with the native populace. Wholesale slaughter of them did not begin in earnest until the arrival of or creation of the conquering forces; pre-industrialists and a standing army, for example. (Yes, this is a simplistic and condensed version). In other words, when "civilization" came to the U.S. it brought a darkness to what might have been a more enlightened nation.

I speak in generalities because, of course there were conquerers here early on. Of course there were pre-industrialists here early on. But it also appears that there were many enlightened souls who came here to escape the "growth pangs" of their native countries and who saw life as something other than the acquisition of goods, titles, wealth and power. I keep thinking of the early "mountain men," who came here because they didn't fit into "society" and preferred existence as hermits rather than conform to the norm.

Perhaps we have or had a higher concentration of enlightened souls. Maybe we also had or have a higher concentration of less-enlightened souls. Perhaps the two concentrations combined, helped create the polarization we are experiencing "full blast" now. Perhaps that might explain our accelerated pace.

Perhaps.

edit to add: (d'oh! on me; I didn't answer you question about what I thought of your theory.) I like your theory. It would help to explain much.

[Cleita]

2. Psychic Sylvia Browne has made the observation on past

lives that many of us have had past lives as native Americans although we have been reborn white or black Americans.

[bloom]

3. It is interesting

to think of countries or even groups within countries as immature/more mature.

The Literalist/Fundamentalist/Republicans (LFRs) think that they are being MORE mature - because they expect everyone to be responsible for themselves - and not expect anything from that gov't. They think that liberals are being less mature because liberals argue for social programs to help people.

I think that the liberal position is more mature because Adults would be more likely to be concerned for others - not just think about themselves - leaving others to worry about their own self.

I think that that can be applied to other countries/groups as well. Is the group self-centered and isolationist - or can the group be concerned about people who are different from themselves in their society.

Part of what is at play in most countries - is the desire for identity - as a certain group. If there is not a clear winner in the identity game - there is conflict.

I think that the US is still very much locked in the identity game. Because there are so many groups. I think that the liberal - more mature (soul if you want to call it that) concept is that (esp. for the US with it's multiculturalism/melting pot society) all types of people should be accepted. We can learn from each other. I think it's reasonable to say - sorry - we don't accept the selling of children (as at least one Asian man was doing in Wisconsin) - but otherwise - we accept your philosophy. I think that there has been much learning from Native Americans - partly just from living around them.

The LFRs is in a battle to make the country homogeneous and to combat any sort of thinking that is not exactly what they think. So here we were - maturing along as a nation. Women's rights, anti-discrimination, civil rights, the whole thing and along comes the LFRs and they want to take us back to the infantile stage. Where only father knows best, women are like children, something close to slavery is OK, etc.

I think it's very childish and narcissistic. I also think that the narcissism can be like a virus that spreads to people who would otherwise have been on the road to maturity.

[Grateful for Hope]

6. Very excellent post

I have often thought that the prevailing trend toward the nuclear family has also contributed to the narcissistic tendencies of the US and other so-called "developed" countries. In cultures that revere their elders, we see extended families where the elders have important functions -- such as the care-taking of the young while the younger family members work. I think that life in an extended family can be (and, in all likelihood is) much less stressful than what we see in the nuclear family where we so often see two parents who work all day, who spend a great deal of money on childcare, and who, at the end of the day, come home exhausted with little energy left to give to their children.

It is so often the case that such families have no energy left at the end of the day to be concerned about the needs of other people, or the state of their country/world.

What can often be mistaken as complacency (or narcissism - depending on one's viewpoint) may be, in reality, exhaustion from the stress of everyday living.

[cassiepriam]

4. Yes, many levels of karma

Personal, family, group, tribe, country, collective, cosmic.

And the world is working on quite a bit of tribe, country, collective karma right now.

(Many of us born right after WW II may be working off some of that collective karma for example.)

[DemExpat]

5. I have been an expat so long that I guess I feel more

universalist and see the greatness (and horrors) in 'all' cultures.

The more I study the world (and the US) the more I see that there is a darker side to all of the glory and advancements made - made on the backs of such large-scale suffering and ever increasing inequalities and dangers. The American Dream worked well for many when resources were so vast and seemed to be there for the picking.....practically free of charge! I don't see this set of circumstances returning unless a large proportion of the earth's population decides to move on....!
The American experiment IMO also worked well when most of the newcomers were from Western Europe and thus fairly homogenous in a way in its diversity - at least homogenous of purpose in the earlier days!

I don't see things as geographically bounded (perhaps nationalistic or culturally bound. I see spiritual advancement more as something 'telepathically communicated' between people all over the world. And I notice that there are many more places where the incredible polarity that you (or someone else here in this thread) mention about in the US is just as evident. Seems to me like almost every supposedly democratic election followed in the northern hemisphere is always down to the hair with the votes between left and right. I find THIS so amazing - my mind cannot fathom how in all of these countries there are exactly HALF of the voters who believe in more rightwing measures and those who want more leftist approaches. :wtf:

Is this simply a manfestation of Yin-Yang forces in political life?

I do believe that the Founding Fathers were very special people at a special time!

So, I do agree with you about the ideals of America, but have learned to see its accomplishments tempered by other factors. I still feel a sense of pride in my personal American history, but also feel an adopted pride and sense of value for the European experience since WWII.

Just some of my thoughts from an expat p.o.v.

And sorry that I didn't really go into your World SOul Theory and got sidetracked by many other points!

Interesting topic!

DemEx

[Grateful for Hope]

7. I am giving what you have to say a lot of thought

I am not sure I agree with you (the immaturity of peoples of the ME), but, I need to think about this a bit more before I respond.

One thought I had is that, even mature people, when backed into a corner with no other apparent options, might behave the way we are seeing the people you describe behave.

[lildreamer316]

8. Well again;

I only mean immature/mature in the SOUL sense, not in the personal sense. Really. I am sure there are many many mature and intelligent people there working for peace and reasoned discourse.
I would venture to say the "immature" ones are unfortunately, the ones in charge of the political and religious climates,as does seem to be the norm in many places these days...sigh.

[peacetalksforall]

9. I have a very hard time with anything that hints at any superiority

opf this country over any other country on this planet. I will give some inches to blessings received.

I have a hard time with anything that hints of 'we' being white European with some nods to Asian and African heritages.

I think of soul connections as universal as someone had already said. Common to the souls incarnated on this planet are the lessons that cross all color, geography, gender, and acquired or not wealth, acquired or not pain, acuired or not peace, acquired or not enthusiasm. It kind of makes me feel like I'm suffocating a little to be limited in comparing those who landed in this country in this life with others who didn't. But I don't know enough so I'll think about it.