what do you folks think about this stuff ???

[stellanoir]

Every so often I go to the four winds site for some spiritual contrast to the political stuff I read here. It has a lot of whacky stuff on it including much discussion about NESARA. I've always sensed that there is a grain of truth regarding NESARA but it lies deep beneath a considerable amount of BS. I feel to a lesser degree, similarly about the Illuminati theories.

Yet I presume we all can agree that the powers that be ain't at ALL about LOVE. Ughhh.

When I do Tarot readings, whenever people pull the Devil card and they tend to get spooked, I always joke by saying, "I have a deal with the Devil. I don't believe in him and he doesn't believe in me." I further that, "If one ascribes to traditional dualistic Judeo/Christian theologies, if God is the source of all things wonderful, loving, affirming, and creative, then what would his antithesis be. . .? Aside from consideration of a Goddess which is another really confused polarity, the Devil would mostly likely represent fear, repression, self loathing and self doubt."

Two other funny interpretations of the Devil card are from two friends. One says, "One must always remember that the chains as portrayed in the (Rider/Waite) Devil card are entirely optional." Another funny friend, who has Mars in Scorpio and the Sun opposed Pluto always used to respond to pulling that card by saying, "Yayyyyy, I'm gonna get laid!!!"

The deck I use has a Pan-like portrayal of the Devil card that's sort of playful. That's a whole other discussion but I digress.

Anyhoo, this morning just on a whim, I went to the Four Winds site where I hadn't been for a while and amidst all the whacky "Hello Central !!!" e-mail correspondences were these three articles which I read in this order.

Illuminati defector. . .?
http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=10762

Texas Longhorn fans unite . . .?
http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=949

McGovern interview
http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=10768

It created quite a startling perspective. Not to be especially conspiratorial or paranoid, I thought it might be interesting to start a thread for discussion on these matters from a spiritual perspective.

Most interesting to me was that the Illuminati defector suggested that the only way the dire eventualities she predicted could be tempered or prevented would be through massive prayer.

I've long thought that the only way to combat this wave of rampantly intractable and divisive fundamentalism would be through the establishment of a true spiritually humane movement based on reverence and tolerance. As many others have perceived, it is most unlikely that our solutions will be exclusively political ones.

Will it take till Neptune's ingress into Pisces in 2012 for us to arrive at such a lasting peace and true spirituality ?

Reading these articles made me want to get my 19 tricks out there perhaps in a shorter, less blathering, and more concise form. Yikes.

I know some of you have seen this before but I truly feel at the depth of my soul that the 2nd trick if performed by a massive number of true souls, could make an enormous difference and expedite the whole process of amelioration. Silly me.

It's about gentle transmutations and is the highest color of the spectrum. Red plus blue equals purple. Ya know?

"2. Visualize the planet bathed in a regal violet-purple light at least
momentarily once daily. It is really easy to project violet-purple light when earth icon appears on screen. Consider scrolling down at the link
here. . . . http://www.lovearth.net/

(Violet-"Purple rain, purple""reign". . .: )

It can be that simple and easy for those unaccustomed to routine
visualization. For reasons I'll explain in far greater specificity in
a subsequent version, violet-purple rays of transmutational light will
gently wake up several sleeping souls and solve problems ages old, in many places and will ameliorate even circumstances most dire. Focusing on regions most conflicted (Washington DC, the MidEast, Iraq, and the entire continent of Africa) will help as well.

(For those of more earthly orientations who unlike many spiritualists,
don't necessarily resonate with the violet-purple vibration, another
alternative suggested by a differing source would be to project a vibrant green. That color will most likely hasten the healing of our woefully damaged ecosystems and many hearts as well. )"

I hope that we can have a lively discussion about these matters inclusive of NESARA, the Illuminati, the myth of Satan and what simplistic Christianity does to dualistically empower it's own shadow, and the oh so dim prospect of future wars as suggested by Mr.McGovern (what an ironic name).

Hope you folks will chime in.

[Cleita]

1. Hi there. Sorry I took so long to answer, but this is the first

chance I have had to read those articles. They have some pretty interesting things to say there. I do believe that we are going to have to do something on a spiritual plane to start turning things around and it will have to be pretty intense and focused through the election. If we can get our candidates elected in Congress, that would be a tremendous first step in getting our country and even the world back to a better future.

[stellanoir]

2. If only our election systems were not totally

co-opted and fraudulent we might have a linear chance and choice. But alas, with 60-80% of the voting technology controlled by secretive and nefarious partisans, and with 3 national elections already obviously compromised, a complicit media, I don't believe that we do.

Time to get creative I'd reckon.

[Cleita]

4. What if we have a collective mind meld to destroy the

electronic voting machines LOL! What if we got the machines to malfunction over and over again before they are put out for the election? I am kidding. But what if!

[stellanoir]

6. They have been malfunctioning for 3 election cycles

and scarcely few have noticed. I'd a conversation with a CIA employee on Mother's Day. I said, "Is it as bad as I. . .?" That person interupted me by saying,"yes it is." I furthered, "Do you know about the electronic voting machines?" That person said, "What. That they don't work?" I said, "That's all you need to know."

Still, I'll happily entertain the possibility you suggested. :)

[LaurenG]

3. Wow Stella- you've pulled out the big guns!

David Icke wrote volumes about the illuminati and the corporate banking system. And William Cooper who wrote "Behold a Pale Horse" had some interesting things to say about our government before he was assassinated.

From my understanding our planet is populated by some people who are less than positive lol :). The illuminati are purportedly the nasties of the Universe. They were originally Annanuki and Annanuki have since decided to mend their ways. What we have left are a bunch of assholes whose power is slowly evaporating. (enter Pluto downsize here)

I think the illuminati exists as negative entities and in incarnation. The current administration plays this out out each and every day, and proves how low they will go to serve themselves. They are also losing their power(like the "The Devil" card reversed.) They know they can't live through the coming energies yet their fighting and manipulation goes on.

I think the turmoil really is due to our move through the Photon belt (moving into overdrive in 2012) and anything less than positive must be transmuted. Our own negative traits and negativity are being "burned" as we speak. Ascension is co-creating a light(er)body and living more on the spiritual planes. These guys will have no light body and they are so dense energetically that there is no way for them to keep control of the higher energies. We are in for some interesting times.

I guess I didn't really expound much on Nesera because I feel that we are already moving into a better place if only by centimeters. I have no clue if Nesera is real but if it is it will be used for the good of those who are transmuting into light.

In the early nineties I received information that goes along with the scenario that we are moving into. I wasn't given details (about banking systems) but it was explained as "the world splitting into two planets or places". It was told to me that those who could not "wake up" would be on one plant/plane and those who could would be on another.

I think your idea for the use of the 7th ray is perfect. I am more than happy to use the violet flame to help in any way.

[stellanoir]

5. LOL Big violet etheric guns "R" us.

I am familiar with the all knowing "Icke." How he talks about "blood sucking, baby sacrificing, shape shifting, Reptilians is a constant source of entertainment amongst me and some of my friends.

Still to say it's an overstatement is an understatement.

I think it's about folks consumed by their reptialian (eat or be eaten) brains. One look at Crashcart or Rumsfeldahoo or Condi weirdo, shows you that.

I just think it can only be rectified ultimately through non linear or traditional means.

Ho hum.

[LaurenG]

7. Well Icke also talked about a female giving very similar info to the

illuminati defector in your link.

You asked for thoughts on that link. My take is that anything is possible, I have a hard time with that information however. I know that there is something known as "cosmic evil" and the deception that comes out of this administration may not be of that order but it is a child of that energy. It could have some truth to it.

It seems to me that this is a symptom of a greater problem and simplifying it by assigning it "eat or be eaten reptilian brain" is fine. It doesn't take away from the fact that we are here to bring it to light, whatever "it's" called.

Obviously you know there is a problem, doing things such as sending violet light is a positive step. Rectifying it through traditional means is the forte of light workers in politics, Patrick Fitzgerald and those like him.

Rectifying it through spiritual means, however it comes out, is ours. I wish you'd publish your book, we could use all the tricks we can get.

[stellanoir]

8. Ya know. . .

I sent out an e-mail around the time of the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Living in a deeply blue state, I didn't even vote for him. I voted for Hagelin because I loved the thought of having a meditating physicist as a president. I knew it was a throw away vote.

I sent some of the best, funniest, and scathing writing I've ever typed to eleven recipients. I thought at the time I was just screwing around. By that evening it was quoted on the evening news, by senators, and packed much more of a whallop than I ever anticipated. I palpably know it effected the collective consciousness.

Of course, it's far easier to be funny about sex and the truth than it is to be funny about war and peace.

Honey, if I had a clue how to pubish a book I'd do so in a heartbeat.
However I do not. It's really daunting for me and really a problem.

Still regrouping here.

[Cleita]

9. Have you thought of self-publishing?

I had a friend who got twenty-one rejections from publishers for her novel. It was a good novel too but the publishers probably didn't want to commit because it was a little off beat. So she published her novel at her expense. There are publishing houses that do that. She sold it through her website, where she put up the first chapter for free and those who wanted to keep reading had to order the book.

She succeeded in selling enough of the books to recoup her expenses, but best of all a publisher did come along and put her novel out in paperback.

If you haven't tried to send a query to a publisher and don't know how, go to the Writer's Digest website. Their archives are full of information about how to go about doing this.

[stellanoir]

10. Yeah

I've thought about it. I loathe the idea of going through an agent as well. My guidance told me I'll figure out how to proceed over the next couple months.

Hope to figure it out over time.

Thanks for the info though.

[Crowdance]

11. Consider lulu.com

If the concern, Stella, is about actually transforming existing words into a printed book, lulu.com might be a solution. You can easily upload a book file, which they'll print on demand when your readers buy their copies.

If the concern, however, is actually creating those words--well, that's a horse of a different color. Never have found anything to make that easier!

[stellanoir]

12. Thanks for the link.

I'm sitting on about 5000 pages of text but aside from a slew of sendings, have never bothered to approach the publishing world. I came perilously close to selling a script in the 80's though. Then the producer died of AIDS. (when Pluto was on my Neptune opposed my Moon.)

This is funny though. . .how my inquiry about all these theories has morphed into a discussion of my writing.

I'm cracking up about that. Has my Jupiter in Scorpio in the third hijacked this thread??? LOL

But what about the Illuminati, Satan worshipers, and the prospect of additional wars. . . ? Yikes.

[Why Syzygy]

13. Maybe you want this.

http://www.johntreed.com/HTWP.html

This guy is a hoot. I ordered his Succeeding book. He shoots straight.
Happy publishing!

[hippiechick]

15. I liked Hagelin too !

:blush: Silly, I know - but he's so dang SMART !!!! :loveya:

What a concept his Administration would have been !!!!

[NMDemDist2]

17. ROFL everytime my DH see Condi he calls her a lizard

GMTA!

:rofl:

[NMDemDist2]

14. St Germain is about the violet light as well IIRC

it never spoke to me, but I remember a very evolved being studing St Germain and sharing that very exercise with me

[stellanoir]

16. St.Germain guided me in a lot of that writing.

Though now he's a bit distant. Probably attending to other things.

Hmmmmmm

[LaurenG]

18. They all are

I have been complaining about this to another DUer for a while. I thought this was very interesting.
(from IHAD's Karen Bishop article)

When I speak to my favorite non-physical companion now, he/she is merely a floating “face” hovering around, and not really in my space anymore. He is not allowed to be here, next to me. Our days of walking side by side, with his arm around me, on the sacred lands are over. Having him sit next to me in the car, as we talk and he directs my path, are now a distant memory. And just not having him stand in front of me, with his strong and reassuring presence, full of love, caring and reverence…his gigantic and grounded form…his ancient grace…have been a monumental adjustment. I feel a loss I cannot describe. My best friend is now somewhere else.

Part of the reality of creating the New World involves the most important aspect that it be created by us …by those of us who have and are experiencing ascension. As the time has arrived for the creation of the New World , it is “hands off” by any outside influences. They are absolutely not allowed to become involved, and are literally not allowed inside. No access , clear and simple. What this means is that it is now up to us to do the creating, and to come up with the form that we want this New reality to be in. I mention many times in my books how this scenario will unfold, and have been saying much of this for years, but now it really and finally here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x26960

[stellanoir]

19. Well this focuses on a critical point. . .IMHO.

There are plenty of spiritual sites that promote the belief in divine intervention. Then there are others that suggest that is up to each and every one of us to do our spiritual work with ever increasing focus to make the acsension/entry into the photon belt more graceful.

The truth may just be somewhere in the middle.

Dunno about the widespread distancing of spiritual guides. Mine have always come and gone to a certain extent or perhaps my receptivity has been erratic but that is an interesting consideration.

Thanks for sharing though.