Michael Lutin: the first quarter of 2005

[Pallas180]

BIZANDMONEYNEWS FIRST QUARTER
MESSAGE TO EVERYONE
Everyone already knows that the world’s in a tizzy.

No matter what your government or the media will do to pump up enthusiasm,

although it’s not going to fall apart immediately, the global economy is not in the most stable state. People try to figure it out, hedge their bets, shift and move money around, jockey for a stronger position, but in the end it's this way: part of it you control and part of it you don’t. How much you can juggle around and foresee depends on your ability to think and plan ahead, and beyond that you've got to have some decent luck, which of course depends at least in part on your planetary transits..


Rich or poor, however, nobody can afford to toss away security on a whim. If you’ve got a job, you’re probably nervous about it and trying to keep it as long as possible, bored or not.

If you are deep into a career commitment and wondering if you’ve made the right choice, now is not the moment to waltz off in a brand new direction.

The urge to make a dramatic change pushes you into taking chances ,sometimes whether it’s wise or not, and there’s a definite pull between prudence and risk.

People are cautious, conservative, not eager to put themselves out on a limb. Everybody is waiting to see what everybody else is going to do. It’s probably best to play it safe for now, unless you can’t bear it another minute.


What I’ve done is put thought into looking at how the current planetary configurations are affecting all twelve signs. I've picked out the strongest trends that are influencing moves, choices and decisions between December 2004 and the end of March 2005.


http://www.michaellutin.com

[NMDemDist2]

1. that is one busy website, I couldn't find the article you are citing n/t

[hippiegranny]

2. try this link

http://www.michaellutin.com/BIZANDMONEY.htm

[Pallas180]

3. Here it is - and prepare yourself. He's

not pulling any punches.

http://www.michaellutin.com/dailyfix.htm

[NEOBuckeye]

4. The "Big One"... What do you suppose he's referring to, Pallas?

Peak oil and the resulting energy crisis? Economic collapse? Pluto entering Capricorn?

It's all familiar to us. I wonder if he's onto this as well?

[Pallas180]

6. NEOBUCKEYE, Michael Lutin is a major force in the NCGR

National Council of Geocosmic Research, a really well known astrologer, famous (maybe I'm just thinking in astrological circles)but has been on tv , radio, (I think he was Vanity Fair's astrological writer.._ any way the point is he's not a lightweight or a johnny-come-lately.

As to your question, there's not much he's not onto.

He's hilarious, does truth with outrageous humor, and what he is writing now I find pretty heavy coming from him.

We're all looking at our Pisces houses and trying to figure out what it can mean.

Other than Richard Nolle, I don;t know any- ANY astrologer who predicted the eaarthquake, tsunami, and subsequent weird weather.

We're all going to have tsunami's in our Pisces houses, Lutin says.
(I live in a Pisces state, but thank goodness, Pisces is not in my fourth house)

Well, we just gotta figure it out, or get a reading from Lutin I guess.

(edited for typos)

[NEOBuckeye]

7. I wonder...

My Midheaven is at 8 Pisces, which puts the early degrees of Pisces into the last 3rd of my 9th house. I do have Part of Fortune at 1 Pisces in my 9th House.

I presently live in the very Piscean state of Ohio (March 1, 1803).

It seems that things could get very interesting here.

[Pallas180]

9. NEOBUCKEYE - what is your career?

that appears to be the key -is it being outsourced?

potential of it being replaced?

I don;t know your chart, but if Michael's words are that the Pisces house will have a tsunami, literally or figuratively, likely figuratively, then what are your intentions for future career?

Does that make sense?

[NEOBuckeye]

11. Pallas, I work in the insurance industry

Though I honestly couldn't care less about it. The company I work for is planning some outsourcing in the near future, though my department won't be directly affected by it. It could still happen for us down the road, however. But I am only there now because I haven't been able to find anything in education, where my heart really lies.

Do you suppose the "tsunami" might mean that my desire for a career in education may have little hope of coming to pass in my future? Indeed, education has been going through some major changes over the past few years (Pluto in Sag) with the rise of private, charter schools, the voucher debate, cyber academies, distance learning and Bush's deplorable No Child Left Behind Act. We at least seem to be heading towards many more alternative and non-traditional approaches to education, which might constitute a type of outsourcing, if not replacement. Maybe it means I could end up doing something far different than the traditional chalkboard classroom environment I thought I'd be working in? Or maybe I'll be hopelessly stuck in insurance?! :crazy:

By the way, my DOB is 4/27/1978, 9:46 AM, Akron, OH. I have a Saturn Return coming up sometime next year. These next few years look like they are going to be quite a bumpy ride, to put it midly.

Whatever happens, I guess I'll manage somehow. I'm actually more worried about my sister at this point, however. Her Natal Sun is at 11 Pisces with Venus at 2 Pisces, both in the Fourth House!

[Pallas180]

8. actually Michael's writings this month are very Buddhist-like

here are snippets - and actually Michael is not the only one who has been issuing warnings about 2010/2012 - Tem Tarriktar (sp)of Mountain Astrologer has been writing dire warnings on this for almost two years and asking other astrologers to contribute their opinions.

Perhaps the key here is to look back at events after World War 1, 1918
ther must be similar planetary formations for Michael to be saying this. One thing I know about is the flu epidemic of 1918 where thousands died in this country. But Michael doesn't give us a hint about how far the cycle goes. We have the roaring 20's, the stock market crash of 29, Hitler's rise in the 30's and fascism, and WW2 begun in the 30's............astrologers will just have to look and give their impressions here online.

Anyway, here's snippets of what Michael Lutin has to say in his e.e. cummings style:



whatever you've been dreaming about

do it

it's not only construction

but

REconstruction

so whatever

you've been

procrastinating doing

procrastination is over

don't forget this, though:

The angry sea rises up

like an angry mob

hell bent on vengeance

at the same time

as cold and impassive and impersonal

as an executioner

slicing off a head with his blade

the only purpose

to

erase

what was there before




three levels of existence right now

1) everything is fine. You hang out with people, you

joke around, you go shopping, you make love, generally

enjoy yourself with good cheer and hope for the future

the astrology behind it:

Jupiter in Libra venus Mars in Sadge


2) everything is definitely NOT all right at all.

Your life is full of pressure, anxiety and worry. Things are not the way you planned or hoped for. There's a deep sense of loss or sadness. You are constantly stressed by responsibilities and haunted by memories or reminded of the bogeymen who continually plague you

The astrology behind it:

Sun saturn opposition from capricorn to cancer

3) The great wave

You are swept away by understanding that clinging to anything or anyone is foolish. You cope with this by embracing the truth of it, or hiding out in drugs or alcohol

The astrology behind it: Uranus, Neptune, in Pisces and Aquarius


if you want to find out

why Aquarians are on the verge......

of either beautiful enlightenment or a

nervous breakdown

and why it is

that where you have

early degrees of Pisces in your chart

you're not going to get it together for quite a while

youll have to wait until

January 22

when I tell all


with Venus in Sadge

you've got to have a good time

no matter what has happened.

and so you will

and so you should



In the meantime

congratulations to those

upon whom Prosperity has smiled

and

blessings and compassion

to those

whom the Universe has kicked in the ass


life is shifting

ever so unavoidably


but it's only fun when you program it yourself

we are in the middle of a gigantic shift

one that hasn't occurred in maybe

80 or so years

so unless you remember what the world was like

after World War I

you can't get your head around what's going on


life goes on

you go on

in the midst of chaos


you try to return to 'Normal"

and oddly, you almost do


you laugh and enjoy the same things

with the same people

something is different, though

something has changed


in your mind

like something you know you have to do

but forgot what it was

but something that keeps you from

being totally present

something you can't even put your finger on

actions

words

deeds

events

you can't totally go back to

the way you were

and how it was


but the fact is

in 2009-2010

by the time Uranus reaches the end of pisces

everyone will have experienced a form of a tsunami

from the area of your chart where Pisces lies

one way or another

not necessarily literally

but a statement from the Universe

that you control nothing

that life is a dream

from which sleepers can awaken at any time

that

every form of escape is just another illusion

and that

holding on, clinging, grabbing,

onto anything or anyone

is foolish

the sooner you get that joke the better

it will restore perspective

and if the events in Southeast Asia

don't do it for you now

then you'll have to figure it out for yourself

when the time comes

if you haven't already


if you think

that whatever is happening in your life

as momentous, fabulous or tragic as you consider it,

if you think it matters

you are crazy

the events in sri lanka

show you that in an instant

it can all be washed away

you are more connected

to those events than you may think


help them

and someday you will remember you did it

and you'll be glad

within five years

and this is not even a chain letter

that promises good luck if you do

and bad luck if you don't

it's a word to the wise

waters connect

if you're in a panic because it could happen to you

you're off the beam

if it triggers your wish to help other people

that's the message

1-800 HELP NOW

icrc.org

www. unicef.org

DOCTORS WItHOUT BORDERS

1 888 392 0392



monday



this tsunami was the first

the big one hasn't hit yet

but oddly

the big one may not even be literal

it will happen

wherever you have pisces in your chart

within the next five years

it is only a catastrophe

if you resist complete

change

and total surrender

to forces bigger then all of us

the tsunami in southwest Asia

is a symbol

literal to be sure

but a symbol nonetheless

of how foolish it is to believe

we control any of it


sunday

turn your head upward

you look outward

you move ahead

you don't look back

you bury the hatchet

forgive sins

bury the dead

put your eyes out to sea

bury your sorrows

you keep going

naturally the events of the past few days

have altered the course of

some relationships

and

MUCH has been revealed

MUCH has been revealed

Now what?



we are

all driven into the same cave

to find shelter

out of the windy rain

that is life's uncertainty

[Pallas180]

10. After all the tragedy in Sri Lanka, some monster is throwing grenades

and continuing their stupid separatist war.

That and the predators who take advantage of the most horrendous tragedy since Hiroshima to hit the world - is beyond comprehension.

[NEOBuckeye]

12. Post World War I saw the League of Nations (pre-UN) and German inflation

On the subject of post-WWI conditions, somehow, I think the US is going to end up like Weimar Germany this time, facing economic devestation with rapid inflation and a devalued currency (Euro switch?). The allmighty Dollar will see a terrible fall and many people will lose everything material that they have. Maybe the UN will finally gain more power and authority in the global community with a dramatically weakened , ex-superpower US? Maybe China or the EU will play the key role in the world from this point on, where the United States did after World War I?

If we're going to be reliving a repeat of the 20s and 30s, it seems like it is going to be a very much time-compressed, if not disorderly version. Fascism is already here, but the BIG stock market crash hasn't yet happened. Corporations today have now surpassed their 1920s predecessors both in power and authority, but the real economic "roar" took place with the dot-com boom in the late 1990s. People have often compared Bush to Hitler, but I think the much better analogy would dump Bush for Tom DeLay. Now THAT is a nightmare scenario for a presidential election in this country if ever there was one!

[Pallas180]

13. Wheelbarrows

When Germans had to take wheelbarrows full of paper money to buy a loaf of bread, was that WW 1 or WW 2 ?

I agree with the economic collapse and I think we are in it...dollar devalued 8 times in the last few months of 2004 - Europe realizes it, the aveage American doesn't follow how much a Euro is worth against a dollar.

I have suspected for some time that the stock market is being artificially boosted, whether by the governemnt or the insiders - I got out the last year Clinton was in - and I don't know anyone who is still in - although there's gold and silver and Euros - so if the ordianry American isn't buying in the market - who is ???

As far as devaluation...Nixon had that planned in the 70's and had new paper money printed to replace the current money...I think it was burned some years ago - but who knows? and who knows what this secretive admin has been doing?

Yes we're in a pickle and it's only going to get worse - the question is - where can those who want to get out, go?

Tsunamis and quakes in Asia - another 6.2 today in the Indian ocean.

Wars in the Middle East, spreading upwards - Turkey, Uzbekistan, Russia returning to its old habits -

NorthWest England reported today under water up to the second level of houses..

Rain floods and snow in the Western US. Eastern US having devastating hurricanes -

Mexico and South America prone to quakes and volcanoes..Italy's volc ano going off...

nope. not a pretty picture.

[NEOBuckeye]

14. Wheelbarrows in Germany happened after World War I

It's actually what paved the way for Hitler's rise to power and the beginning of World War II. The Allies and victors of World War I lay the blame for the war -- and THE BILL -- at Germany's feet. But Germany's economy was too unstable to reliably pay the reparations, and the government resisted. The Germans themselves were severly angered and humiliated for taking the brunt of the blame for the war. Eventually, the country was declared in default and subsequently had its' largest industrial district occupied by French and Belgian troops. Needless to say, none of this helped to alleviate the building pressure of resentment and anger amongst the German people.

Enter Adolph Hitler, an ideologue who was able to tap into the anger of his people and successfully channel it into ways and means that would put Germany back on its feet, though at a devestatingly horrible cost to the rest of the continent and the lives of millions. That was World War II, born out of World War I's outcome.

World War III, should such a dreadful event occur (it seems increasingly possible, though I really, really hope for otherwise!!!) will be brought about by a breakdown in global civilization's communication towards resolving energy scarcity. In some ways, it will be a direct result of the end of World War II and the half-century of growth and suburbanization in the US that followed -- all of it relying upon oil.

Talk about a waste!

[NMDemDist2]

5. dumb question (the only kind I ask about astrology)

Pisces is in my 3rd house at IC 26degrees with only Chiron in it

according to what I just read on the web the 3rd house covers communication, early education and neighbors and siblings

I have no siblings, I am 30+ years out of school so I am not getting how a tsunami can hit my "communication" house, unless I forget how to talk--Angels protect me from that or telepathy becomes the main means of communication

what am I missing? and thanks in advance

[Dover]

15. Third House is the Lower Mind....the part of the mind that works on

automatic pilot in the immediacy of your everyday world.

Pisces on the cusp of that house could mean that your communications and the way you perceive your immediate environment and those in it, is emotional, personal and subjective. The Neptunian flavor of a Pisces ruled house can lead to confusion, or being misunderstood because Pisces does not operate in a linear fashion, and is not that good at filtering and organizing the vast collective material that it's open to. So this might be kind of tough in the day to day activities that are more delineated by automatic rational thinking and communicating. Pisces might be more comfortable on the cusp of the house opposite the 3rd...the 9th House of the Higher mind which ventures into the unfamiliar territories and contemplative states and is generally more abstract and profound while not being expected to function in the same way that the lower mind must do to move us through an ordinary day in our more mundane dealings with the world.

Third House is the immediate environment and includes all those whose path one crosses in it. It's familiar ground. And it also includes all the ways one moves and is mobile in one's environment (hence association with short term travel within one's known enviroment).

Not sure what a tsunami in this immediate enviroment might mean literally or figuratively...but certainly the recent flooding fits the bill in a mundane sense. On an emotional/psychological level...well you can come up with your own scenario.

[flpeach]

16. Oh Boy

My fourth house cusp is 18 Pisces. Oh boy. What will be will be.

[Pathwalker]

17. And mine is 2 Pisces. So, maybe those dreams

about my house being destroyed are...scarier.

[NMDemDist2]

18. wow Dover, thanks a bunch

I have had to train myself to speak linearly. I make intuitive leaps and leave my mouth behind LOL

the way you perceive your immediate environment and those in it, is emotional, personal and subjective

is this why I have spent so much time training myself to be the "observer"??

thanks again for the great info

[demgrrrll]

19. I have Pisces in the eighth house. It looks like that rules sex and money

in the form of inheritance and taxes. Is there anything else interesting about this placement?

[jrthin]

20. Okay, help, please.

My Pisces Sun is in my eleventh house. Am I going to lose all my friends? Will they not like me anymore. Pathetic, I know, but it matters.

[divineorder]

22. The Third House

Also rules short-distance travel and communications. I would expect drastic positive or negative changes in those. Also it rules the neighborhood as well-perhaps you get new and far more dramatic neighbors.

I have a Pisces Fourth, and Neptune in Aquarius has been transiting my third for years. What has happened has been a change in communication: I went from old-fashioned to internet. Far from buying a car, I now live near a busline. And sometimes my communication is not as clear as I would like.

A Pisces eleventh with its penchant for mystical friends-perhaps you get a whole new and better set.


Remember, a lot depends upon what you have done both materially and spiritually over the preceding years. Not everyone was washed away-some knew the signs and went to higher ground. Personally, I would secure the four corners of our lives (housing, career, self-esteem, and relationships), and prune away things that no longer have any real meaning in life.

[Dover]

21. Yes, that's it exactly.

Interesting that Bush has such difficulty with the spoken and written language.....and has Neptune in the 3rd Hs (although he has Virgo on the cusp).

As difficult as it might be, it seems to me there are probably some very good uses for such a gift.
Perhaps a person with a Piscean 3rd House (or with Neptune in it) might be really good at reading/understanding/interpreting symbols, characatures like those used in many eastern languages and heiroglyphs...even dreams because they are not linear. Or perhaps such a person could create a language or other medium for these foreign Neptunian realms which are so difficult to express within the confines of our linear languages. Musical and poetic expression comes immediately to mind.

[Pallas180]

50. Beautifully explained.

nice work Dover.

[Babette]

27. I'm worried too... I have Pisces Rising with Jupiter in it.

I've been stressed to the max with my teaching job- I've literally had a "tsunami" of students! Guidance keeps putting kids who are failing biology into my life science classes, on top of the 15 special ed and 6 BD kids! It's a zoo! I don't think I can take it much longer- especially since I have to live away from my husband during the week to work this job.

I'm pretty lousy at interpreting the chart- I could be way off!

[Pathwalker]

32. Here's what Robert Hand says about Uranus, 4th House...

From Planets In Transit:

...the focus of change will be in the most personal and intimate aspects of your life, including your home, your relationships with parents and other family members. Upsets will show where change is needed, but you will acquire a new sense of freedom and release from the influences of the past.
A common effect is a sudden change in your home environment, or a complete change of residence...

The 4th House rules the ultimate basis of your being. It is the one aspect of your reality that you assume will not change. ..to benefit from this transit you must be willing to become more flexible, to encounter new ideas in your most personal world. Structures that are challenged are those that are most rigid, not the ones that are still alive and vital...
Break free from old patterns and habits that have enslaved you...

At the deepest level, this transit of Uranus through your 4th house signifies deep changes in your unconscious mind. And since the unconscious mind has a powerful effect on your view of reality, your whole experience of the world will be quite different after this transit.

Uranus conjunct Jupiter:

It is very hard to predict the exact effects of this transit. It is best described as a sudden change in fortune, but it is not easy to say which way it will go. more often than not it is a positive change in fortune, beginning with a sudden unexpected event that opens up new possibilities for free action. May be a sudden windfall, an unexpected job promotion or success in gambling.

...signifies a new restlessness, a desire for freedom and new activities that will broaden your horizons. It does not have the explosiveness of other Uranus transits, but it can signify that you are ready to make sweeping changes in your life...take any opportunity that comes, but do not count on anything that comes into your life right now to last a long time.

Sudden opportunities for travel...because you value your own freedom at this time, you respect the fact that it depends on other people's ability to be free. This makes you more tolerant of of others' lifestyles as long as they do not interfere with yours. And you may become quite a fighter for other people's rights, as well as your own.


I have quite consciously USED these aspects in my chart to make changes in my own home, for the purpose of improving it's value. I am currently painting every wall, ceiling and piece of molding in my home, replacing carpet, tile, and stone(entry)so that when Uranus conjoins my Jupiter and sextiles my Hubby's, we will decide to either sell or refinance. I want to sell and move on, my husband (and sons) want to refinance and stay. It won't take long for us to decide.

Hope this helps the others who wanted to know. :-)

[yellowdawgdem]

52. that seems accurate for

how things have been playing out for me with the pisces 4th, and the uranus conjunct jupiter, etc. Gambling is not something I'd thought of, but would make sense with jupiter/uranus creating a need for risk . It seems to me that, as somebody else mentioned, it would require some hard aspects to the pisces house or planets to create an accident or loss, or whatever.

This is a little off the subject, but might be interesting in terms of learning about the aspects, and what to expect. Last month I had transiting mars at 24 scorpio, in the first house. It made a 6 deg. conjunct to natal mars at 18 scorpio, and sort of fit into a problematic mars-pluto square. It made an exact square to midheaven at 24 leo, while also squaring pluto at 18 leo. What happened was that I got attacked by a dog during that aspect, not really hurt, but sort of munched on, and my jacket ripped up. I was frightened but got away, and then set up the chart on astrodietz, and thought it seemed really interesting.

[Pallas180]

25. Okay. Everybody calm down.He's saying pisces house will

have a literal or figurative tsunami.

Now if you have a tsunami in the eleventh house, couldn't it be you'd have an onslaught of friends, become involved in a lot of groups, or
a large group? rather than losing friends?

Could it be that your hopes, goals and wishes will come to fruition more than you could ever have imagined?

Tsunami in the 11th house and you're expecting to lose friends to rising waters? cmon.

There's positive's to every sign and house and negatives.

Why not try looking at what the positive side could be....besides
that you might get water in your 4th house basement :) or there will be an infestation of bugs cause you have a 6th house pisces? :)

[WolverineDG]

31. out of curiosity

what does the 6th house rule? that's where pisces is in my chart.

dg the astro dummy ;)

[Pallas180]

36. Here's nice definitions of all the houses and what they "rule"

http://www.innergies.com/astrology/6thhouse.html

[WolverineDG]

51. thanks! n/t

[Eloriel]

23. Oh, goodness, let's please not awfulize so much

I shouldn't be too critical -- some of you are doing precisely what I tend to do, which is the reason I rarely look at my own transits etc. ahead of time: I become convinced that THE most awful things will happen and it makes me nuts.

I too confess to being a little annoyed with the links to this site... but I am assuming from the posts that the focus is on Uranus in Pisces.

GUESS THE HELL WHAT? I have my natal Sun at 4 Pisces and I'm still here to tell about it.

To a very large extent, how a transit affects you depends on how well situated it is in your natal chart. You got a really nasty Uranus situation in your natal and something at the early degrees of Pisces and you might get knocked for a loop -- but it's both temporary and permanent.

The PURPOSE of Uranus is to free you and your ego from restrictions -- sometimes it does that by taking things away and sometimes it add things. The first time Uranus bumped my natal Sun, I found myself disengaging from a number of relationships that were no longer appropriate for me. I felt a little guilty about knocking these people out of my life UNTIL I looked at my chart and saw the Uranus thing: Ahhhhhh, so that's what it's all about, I'm just releasing things (and people) which are restricting my growth and development. These are things (and people ) I don't NEED in my life anymore and are holding me back. I needed them so little I don't even remember offhand who they were anymore (tho I could figure it out with a little contemplation).

Uranus is the planet of liberation, equality (for humanity), excitement, mental brilliance, higher mind, electricity, astrology, computers, earthquakes, etc., etc. When Uranus crossed my natal 3rd House Mercury a while back, I returned to Astrology as an interest right here at DU after being away for awhile (a couple of decades, actually).

When it hit my natal Jupiter-Uranus opposition some years ago, I was sleeping only a few hours a night because I was working fulltime but had bought my first computer, a Mac SE and was so JAZZED by it, and so busy learning it, and using it, and loving it -- excitement about computers to the MAX!!! I also quit my job and ended up going to work for myself, starting my own business, USING that new computer under that transit. That was pretty damn liberating too!

And yes, Uranus in Pisces brings a lot of rain -- and, in the right places and at the right times, tsunamis. But it's not ALWAYS about tsunamis, literal or figurative. Sometimes it's freedom, sometimes it's excitement, sometimes it's computers. And so forth.

We've all been very touched, awed and horrified by the death and destruction of this tsunami -- but not all "tsunamis" that could accompany this Uranus transit are destructive, not all bring death and destruction.

So please don't awfulize. Remember that the purpose of ANY and ALL planets, and the purpose of ALL transits to your natal chart (or any of your charts) is your individual growth and development, bringing you to your Higher Purpose. This IS a benevolent universe (despite how it feels sometimes, even to me), and there is nothing in it, nothing that can happen TO you, which is not under the full control of your Higher Self and your Soul.

Often, the more your consciousness is aligned with the current needs of your development, the "softer" the effect of some of the more difficult transits. But even if you end up "losing" something (with any transit), it's for your ultimate good.

[yellowdawgdem]

24. good post

I can identify with that, certainly everything uranus cannot relate to accidents. Anyway, hasn't uranus been in early pisces for nearly a year now? I've been following it because it is conjuncting natal jupiter at 0 pisces in my 4th house, and I've been feeling an urge to move, or an urge to buy furniture, as well as worries about my aging parents, and their home situation. Anyway, isn't uranus more of a problem when mars is involved? At least I think I remember Nancy Waterman saying something like that.

[NMDemDist2]

26. when I read the article the Ascension came immediately to mind

we need to lose our ego to find spirit

for folks not open to the higher energies it will feel like a tsunami

2010-2012 are the years that come up over and over in every culture as the pivotal point for humanity and our divine experiment

[2Design]

28. ok questions

I have pisces half in the first house and half in the second house
It is the cusp of the 2nd house
It shares the first house with aquarius and the 2nd house with Aries

Venus is in Pisces at 12 degrees in the first house - only planet in pisces - I have had someone hand draw a chart early on and had venus in my 2nd house - all computer models put it in 1st house

I was thinking of what pallas said about looking at the positive side -
could this be a tsumani of love toward self - that would be a nice change

and since pisces is split between two houses - is it somehow trying to bring them in harmony of some sort

Sun and mercury are in 1st in Aquarius

[Pallas180]

29. Self made man/woman eh what? how

old are you? cause obviously you're going to be rich ! :)

What are you inventing..?

Second house AND Venus represent money.

Tsunami of money.

Hey hey - we're all coming right over. :)

:hi:

[2Design]

30. if I get rich - I will spread it around and invest in me

a tsunami of money would be great

right now I am in debt and at low income

I need to invent something - must be deep inside - because I don't know it yet - perhaps win the lottery - the idea might be being born right now outside my consciousness

I'll be 57 toward the end of the month

[Mandate My Ass]

33. Very interesting thread...does this mean I'm picses-less?

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 17°59'38 01 direct
Moon Virgo 29°20'00 08 direct
Mercury Capricorn 19°33'15 01 direct
Venus Pisces 03°47'03 02 direct
Mars Cancer 05°18'01 06 retrograde
Jupiter Capricorn 15°50'17 01 direct
Saturn Capricorn 20°28'07 01 direct
Uranus Leo 25°09'28 07/8 retrograde
Uranus is technically near the end of house 7 and is interpreted in house 8.
Neptune Scorpio 10°59'32 10 direct
Pluto Virgo 07°54'52 08 retrograde
True Node Virgo 07°18'44 08 direct


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Capricorn 14°10'31
2nd House Aquarius 26°23'15
3rd House Aries 07°17'45
Imum Coeli Taurus 08°15'47
5th House Gemini 01°53'29
6th House Gemini 22°30'29
Descendant Cancer 14°10'31
8th House Leo 26°23'15
9th House Libra 07°17'45
Medium Coeli Scorpio 08°15'47
11th House Sagittarius 01°53'29
12th House Sagittarius 22°30'29

[Pallas180]

34. Online Professional Astrologers:

I think it's time to figure somethings out.

We as a group, usually have not done and do not do individual readings online....and you can see why - if you do one, 25 more follow -

so - here's the question - up until now I have always recommended that
people go to their local astrology bookstore and find an astrologer...

on the other hand, people here know us, and I've received several requests for readings.

Do we say we do private readings for a fee, and do them -

or do we continue the policy of not doing readings online or off by
those who are asking on DU ? ?

If you would rather discuss this privately, PM me.

Thanks

[Mandate My Ass]

35. Sorry, I wasn't asking for a reading

I don't know much about astrology and will pick up a book because I'm interested in the discussions here. I was just trying to find out where the Pisces tsunami might hit me and I probably posted more than I needed to.

It was really an innocent mistake, sorry.

[jrthin]

37. Wow. You are earthy.

I can see why you were so detailed in you post: you live by detail and are very thorough. Just guessing, your feelings about love and possible love life are in for some interesting time. Keep in mind, I'm not an astrologer, but I just love the stuff.

[Mandate My Ass]

41. Eeek. What love life? Major shake ups in that area last year

I'm laying real low.

LOL, I have been described more than once as earthy. OTOH, usually people say anal rather than detailed.

[Pallas180]

38. That's ok Mandate - wasn't you-time for astrologers to discuss this,

:hi:

but there's some info for you:

(seems like a very good site)

http://www.innergies.com/astrology/houses.html

[Mandate My Ass]

42. Thanks for posting that site

I lurk down here all the time but rarely post because I frequently put my foot in my mouth, as you saw earlier. You guys are amazing. O8)

[Pallas180]

44. Mandate, I thought I hadn't seen you before - SPEAK UP - we're glad to

have you ---we know there are lurkers - we just don;t know how many.

Thanks.

Astrology is amazing.

:hi:

[Mandate My Ass]

47. I will. I love this forum

Not just the info, but the vibe too. I'll try and come up to speed but I can tell by the quality of the analyses I read here you guys have been at this for ages.

[Pallas180]

49. Yeah. We're

all old crones...

grrrrrr. :)

[Dover]

45. If a sign does not appear on the cusp of any house it means that sign is

completely contained within a house. In your case it looks like it is contained in the 2nd house of personal resources and values. Look at your chart graphic to see it visually.

Read up on what that means for a sign to be "contained" within a house. It actually concentrates its energy there.

Another issue you might look up is what it means to not have any planets residing in one or more signs. It's not that uncommon but it's a good thing to understand. I have no planets in Pisces in my chart either.

Another question that seems to come up is that someone will get a chart done by one person and then later by another and notice that one or more planets is represented as being in two different houses.
If the time/place of birth hasn't been changed, then it is a result of one chart maker using one house system while another uses another house system. (example of house systems: Campanus, Placidus, Koch, etc). Most people, with time and experience, intuitively determine which house system best suits them and they stick with that. But it's good to know the reasons behind the various house systems.

[Mandate My Ass]

48. Thanks for clearing that up

I see I have some reading to do.

The funny (tho not funny ha-ha) thing is I dream of tsunamis on a regular basis and I usually feel euphoric during the dreams. Maybe it's the sea goat manifesting itself. :-)

[Pallas180]

39. Hey Everyone, HERE'S WHAT THE HOUSES RULE:

and click around the site.....it seems to have very good simple teaching info

http://www.innergies.com/astrology/houses.html

[Dover]

40. A suggestion re: all the questions about individual charts

I highly recommend that you simply find an astrology web site that has GOOD, thorough information on the basics...or pick up a book or two on astrology fundamentals to keep by your computer that you can grab when these things come up. And then there are lots of astrologers who are very competent whose services are available in most areas, as well as astro-reports like those offered on astrodienst's web site that will explain the basics of your natal chart.

I know it's not as good as having your questions answered individually, but please understand what you are asking of those with more experience. It's great to share information but astrologers here should not have to give a class to every individual.

For instance, basic questions about the meaning of Pisces (and it's ruler Neptune), the significance of each house, and the basic meaning of the signs and planets can all be gleened from the sources I've mentioned. Specifically I would recommend Robert Hand's books, Planets in Transit, and Horoscope Symbols. If you find those hard to get into, then peruse the bookstore or library and find one that is user friendly and speaks to you. That way you have laid some ground work, and any info you get from astrologers here can simply be helping you to synthesize the various parts. It would also help you to follow the discussions better too.

Or perhaps the professional astrologers here would like to offer their services for a fee if others are comfortable with that. I'm not, but that's just me.

And maybe if/when astrologers post alarming sounding posts that stir everyone up, they might also provide some examples of the range of situations and energies that might come up, both positive and negative, so that it's understood figuratively as well as literally.

[Pallas180]

43. Dover recommends the best book there is for everything: Rob Hand's

Planets in Transit. None of the other "Planet" books can match it.

I use it not only for transit, but for a feel of natal, progressed, you name it.

[Pallas180]

46. Dover. LOL. That's why Michael Lutin has you go to

PayPal to find out what it means for each sign. :)

"And maybe if/when astrologers post alarming sounding posts that stir everyone up, they might also provide some examples of the range of situations and energies that might come up, both positive and negative, so that it's understood figuratively as well as literally."

[Pallas180]

53. Robert Hand on the nature of Saturn and Pluto -

-snip-

The planets Saturn and Pluto are easier to describe. However, I want to say that the descriptions given here are also not exhaustive. I intend to stress basic ideas that can be associated with each planet, so that the basis of what I am going to say will be most clear. I realize that I could do much more to expand the symbolism of each planet and go more deeply into its esoteric and philosophical dimensions. For the purposes of this article, however, that won’t be necessary.

Pluto vs. Saturn

Let’s start with Pluto. This is a planetary energy that many astrologers regard with some dread. I think this is partly due to its modern association with Scorpio and thereby the 8th house as well. I am strongly influenced by traditional astrology, so I do not consider Pluto to rule Scorpio - or any other sign, for that matter. I use only the traditional planets as sign rulers. I do think that there is some affinity between Pluto and Scorpio, but affinity is not the basis of traditional sign rulership. Traditional sign rulership has more to do with how the signs reinforce, positively or negatively, the essence of a planet – hence, the term "essential dignity."

Pluto is about power, but not just any kind of power. It is the power of the transformations that result as things come into being and pass away. To say that Pluto rules change is true but too weak. To say that it rules power is also true but too broad. Pluto is specifically powerful, often indicating seemingly inevitable change and transformation. The Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote a work traditionally entitled De generatio et corruptio, which means "On Generation and Corruption." This is very close to the heart of Pluto, with one major difference: In Pluto’s case, it would be more accurate to say "On Corruption and Regeneration," because that is usually the sequence that we see in connection with Pluto. Things pass away and then something new comes into being. We have times when things seem to reach a level of stability and permanence; then there is a period of decay, when they begin to break down and go wrong. We may desperately try to hold on to the status quo, but we seem to be up against a relentless force that will not be stopped. The harder we try to hold on, the more ruthless the energy of change becomes, and change gets out of control. After a while, the rate of breakdown slows, and things come together into a new pattern. It also seems to be true that the more easily we let go of the things that want to pass away, the more readily and rapidly the new patterns come into being. I have often described the basic pattern of Pluto as "Death and Resurrection." (It is oddly appropriate that I should be writing this on the weekend of Easter 2001, because the story of Jesus’ death on the cross and his resurrection is a classic Plutonian cycle.)

So, we come to Saturn. The planet Saturn is not usually considered a force for change. It is often seen as resisting change – as being conservative, stubborn, even reactionary. These are qualities of Saturn, to be sure, but that is not the complete story. Saturn has to do with our experience of what underlies all order and structure. It is the principle of mechanical law, the order of the physical world. In this, Saturn is different from Jupiter, which is more about the kinds of laws that are created and negotiated among human beings. In the ancient world, particularly in religious philosophy, Saturn was associated with the laws that one becomes subject to as a result of incarnating in the physical universe. Saturn had, therefore, a strong connection with the kind of fate that was the result of physical law – predetermined fate. Using the language that is more popular with modern astrologers, Saturn has a strong connection with karma – the operation of cause and effect.

From this, it is clear that Saturn does have its own kind of energy for change (here, Saturn is again obviously being considered in relation to Jupiter): Saturn rules changes that have to do with shrinkage or getting smaller or changes that involve hardening. Jupiter is about expansive change – growth – and often represents things becoming less hard and more flexible, at least up to a point. The Saturnian kind of change just described is particularly relevant to the historical and mundane manifestations that come with Saturn-Pluto combinations. I will call this kind of Saturn-Pluto change the "shrinking transformation."

What we have here are major metamorphic changes represented by Pluto coming into open conflict with the lawful and orderly systems represented by Saturn. There are at least two possible ways of reading this combination. First, the Saturn-Pluto combination represents crises that come about as the normal, lawful, and predictable manifestations of Saturn are challenged by the need for deep and fundamental changes in the system, which are indicated by Pluto. It is as though we were driving down a well-defined road with a clear objective, and either something that we did not anticipate is forcing us onto another road or the road itself is being transformed. Second, Saturn-Pluto change is likely to impose some kind of restriction on our freedom of movement or upon our resources. This is our "shrinking transformation." As of this writing, we have begun to see changes of this kind. I will discuss these later in this article.

What we have to look forward to may become more evident when we examine the historical record of Saturn-Pluto aspects in the 20th century, leading up to this trio of oppositions in the early 21st century.

http://www.mountainastrologer.com/planettracks/hand/hand.html

more-

[Pallas180]

54. Aggravation! Lutin mentioned somehting about backing up computer

with the Mars/Pluto - Uranus.

I didn't.

Added a program that screwed up the whole computer and deleted many
dll's and wont let me put them back in.

Hundreds of charts now not accessible .

KKKKKKKKKKKaaaaarrrppppp.!