New Matthew message from December 5, 2006

[I Have A Dream]

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=65&z=2

[stellanoir]

1. IHAD it's so-o-o funny. . .

I saw this on another site this morning and then went to Matthew's site and it oddly wasn't posted there at the time and I really didn't want to link to the other site as it's kinda "out there."

I knew I could count on you to ferret it out when it appeared on Matthew's site.

I felt it was time for him to chime in for a couple days and usually find his messages to be interestingly affirming. Thanks for posting as ever.

[Delphinus]

2. He says here so clearly what I feel:

The non-Christian world, particularly in the Mideast, wonders how the Christian world can celebrate so festively and generously with each other while endorsing war and knowing that billions of their fellow humankind are deprived of even subsistence living: Hypocrisy, apathy and lavish spending to “show love” are not the teachings of the Christed soul whose birth is commemorated on Christmas day. People in war zones are living in fear, and there is anguish in families whose members are in combat, prisons, distant hospitals, or their whereabouts are unknown. Parents who cannot meet basic expenses are feeling more desperate because of their children’s disappointment that there cannot be presents for them, and the numbers of homeless in the midst of others’ wealth are growing.

Not that this is something I can discuss regularly, but it's sure nice to hear there are others who feel this same way.

[cassiepriam]

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[cassiepriam]

4. I too am appalled........

The Friday after Thanksgiving people thronging to stores, fighting over toys, spending all night in the rain and cold to buy luxury items. Stuffing ourselves with turkey and all the trimmings.

While we are killing, maiming, starving innocents. And taking homes and livelihoods away from so many.

It was the same feeling I had right after 9/11 when America was in shock, grief, fear and the the politicians told us to SHOP SHOP SHOP. It was the American thing to do. The way to deal with our pain was to hit the mall to keep the country financially afloat.

I knew then that there was something really wrong with this country and capitalism.

(I was so disturbed that before I could sit down to Thanksgiving dinner I went to a local grocery story and handed over a big wad of money to the manager, and made her call a poor family I know to tell them to come in and get some groceries. With strict orders not to reveal my identity. Then I came home and ate dinner.)

[Delphinus]

5. Cassie,

what a truly beautiful gift! You made me cry this wonderful morning because of your beautiful act of love. Thank you for doing this! :hug:

[I Have A Dream]

6. Another thing that can be done is to ask those who give you...

Christmas presents to give in your name to organizations like Heifer, International rather than giving you yet another trinket that you really don't need.

What a difference it makes in the world!

[cassiepriam]

12. Yes good idea........

We have so much in this country, seems we can share a bit...

[cassiepriam]

7. Thank you. But I am not worthy of any praise.

Even though it was a not a smart move since financially
my income has been down in the last few years, it was the least I could do. (I am in a field that has been hit hard by corporate greed, top execs make millions while the worker bees get little, many leaving the field.)

I was so disgusted by the pictures on the tv news of people camping out all night in tents to be the first to get a playstation or whatever. And people actually injuring each other over such things.

But they can totally ignore the important things, like preserving free elections, free press, the Constitution. Preventing and stopping the killing of Iraqis and American soldiers. Everyone is patting themselves on the back because they finally got off their rear ends and voted the right way. Instead of being proud, they should be ashamed it took them so long to do the right thing.

(I know, I know, anger fuels evil, and everyone has a karmic journey, every one is at a different stage of evolution, etc. I know all that, but God help me, evil and stupidity still piss me the hell off.)

It is interesting, I had lunch with a good friend right after this Thanksgiving holiday and told her that I did not want to exchange Christmas gifts this year. It was too disgusting to make merry while we were raping, torturing, and murdering women and children in Iraq. While Iraqi children are begging for a bottle of clean water.

My friend looked stunned for a moment and then told me she had just informed her whole family that she did not want any gifts at all this year, and gave every one a list of charities that they could donate to in her name. She too had been appalled by the Thanksgiving excesses and was on the same page with me. That is why she looked stunned for a moment.

[Why Syzygy]

9. Cassie ...

I can't take any credit, it just turned out this way .. I had Thanksgiving with 10 other adults who came from troubled backgrounds. The hostess said most of them never had Thanksgiving as children. She mentioned a time when her parents were drunk and she had to get the turkey out of the trash can because they had been aruging and one of them put it there. It made me appreciate that although my family had some issues, at least we all behaved most of the time. I used to get a little frustrated with my parents because we could never just have the family for dinner. There were always people from the church and strays who had no where else to go. I'm over that, of course. It was just the way they were. I'm sure I'm richer for the experiences.

I read somewhere that some were making the day after T'day a "no shopping" day. Don't buy ANYTHING. I followed suit.

[cassiepriam]

11. I didn't shop either.......

Stayed home. Can't stand the crowds anyway.
All that human energy makes me insane :(

[Why Syzygy]

20. ehm

"human energy" pushes the envelope.

Wouldn't it refer more to an animal nature?
Nothing homeo-sapien about it. That would mean we all get along.

[japple]

19. For more information NO SHOPPING DAY,

go to adbusters.com (or is it adbusters.org). They are a very coooool international group of folks who are working to bring down our consumer-based society. In the past, I've done quite a bit to promote No Shopping Day. One year, my husband and I were driving across several states before/after Thanksgiving. We made up No Shopping Day stickers, using post-it notes and the graphics on the adbusters website, and pasted them in big-box stores all along the way. It was fun and if we opened one mind to question why our society is so fucked up, it was worth every minute we spent in making our meager contribution.

[cassiepriam]

27. Good for you. I will check out the site....

Yes if one person stops and thinks it is worth it....

[crikkett]

73. "working to bring down our society' hehe

--that caught my eye. Maybe they're working to change society.

I like adbusters, and they're good designers, but they're in a tricky spot. I remember a controversy over a "non-logo" shoe they tried to put out a few years ago to protest Nike and Converse or whatever, they were accused of being hypocritical for trying to make a make a logo out of a non-logo. I ultimately decided that I needed to be stoned to wrap my mind around it and left the magazine on the rack to show my support for non-consumption.

[stellanoir]

10. Sorry cassie

but you can't stop us from praising your generosity and noble tithe, even if it wasn't especially practical, at least it wasn't ruinous. It was a lovely gesture and I'm sure inspired much gratitude.

I doubt anyone would begrudge your much warranted righteous anger either.

I love this parenthetical phrase. . .

"(I know, I know, anger fuels evil, and everyone has a karmic journey, every one is at a different stage of evolution, etc. I know all that, but God help me, evil and stupidity still piss me the hell off.)"

Of course I get irked often in this culture that rewards selfishness, encourages greed and all the resulting imabalances of energy expended versus money earned.

I heard a study a while ago that said a decade ago, a CEO in America made in a week what their average employees make in a year. Now in England a CEO makes in just under a month, what their average employees make in a year.

Whereas, now in America a CEO makes before lunchtime on a Monday morning, what their average employees make in a year. The acute disparity is infuriatinngly mind boggling really.

But the thing that angers me more than anything, is the lie that violence does anything other than "perpetuate further retributions" and result in more violence.

When I hear * saying "they'll be brought to justice" I want to have a canary because more people will die as a result and with all his treasonous behavior and seeming impunity, how dare he think he's some sort of arbitor of justice.

Sheesh.

I'm sure even your anonymous gift of charity inspired many more whether you know it or not.

May there be more kind hearted cassie's in the world.

:)

I'm barely doing squat for Christmas this year and told my brother and his wife not to get me anything either for all the very same reasons you mentioned.

[cassiepriam]

13. Oh Stella, but I am not kind hearted, really

My heart chakra probably spins backwards because I am so ticked off
at the repugs...

(The poor family I helped is an sad case in point. The father was a Corrections Officer severely injured in the line of duty, and now unable to work or barely function physically any more. The state agency mandated to help such workers
was embezzled out of millions and millions of dollars by a well known Republican, friends of our repug governor and Bush. So now the state agency is not able to pay a cent to people like my friend, who lost his house, his marriage is on the rocks, and can barely feed his children.)

I pray, I meditate, I read, I study, I wear rose quartz all the time (the stone of love and forgiveness), and still I am p.o'd at all the greed, corruption and evil around me.

Sigh, I have been incarnating a long long time. I fully understand intellectually the fact that earth is a school house and we are here to learn lessons. But I think the spirit world better just send me to another solar system. I am never, ever going to let go of being ticked off at at the more heinous of human sins.

(I blame it on my Celtic druid heritage and past lives. We are a stubborn, independent, prideful people. Highly idealistic and march to the beat of a different drummer, take things very seriously and are intense. I think if the spirit world wants me to be different they are going to have to melt me down and start over. :( )

[stellanoir]

14. well you sure did fool me dear but it's an even day :)

You've consistantly been kind hearted to me and I've seen you repeatedly demonstrate kindness to countless others. So maybe you truly excel at faking it then. :)

I've a Piscean colleague who is always getting taking advantage of. I joke with her, "repeat after me. . .hey. . .I'm paid to be nice to people." It's a joke because it's so out of character for us to put monetary concerns before those of basic human kindness.

Have you ever tuned into rhodochrosite. . .? It's supposed to be a more intense, stronger, and deeper though similar energy to rose quartz. Maybe it's time for an upgrade.

People say it helps resolve karmically entrenched matters of the heart. Though those influences are often so subjective. I had a rhodochrosite ring once, then gave it to a friend who was in a mess of a marriage. They ended up divorcing but did so amicably. whoops and phew.

The only thing with which I take issue is your use of the word "evil." Spell it backwards and you might see my point. I try to use "misguided," "short sighted," unenlightened." "idiotic." "disingenuous," "utterly stupid," "counter productive," "counter intuitive," "low life,""unconscious,""lame assed," "sociopathic," etc. etc. etc.

I even went so far to write a letter to * shortly after 9/11, during his oh so idiotic "evil doer" phase begging him to employ other language. I'm sure he read it. (/sarcasm) Then when he delivered his unbelievably destructive "axis of evil" declaration in the SOTU. I threw a shoe at the TV, not knowing at the time. that is an Arabic insult. Just look at the power N. Korea, and Iran have gained on the national stage since then and how our collosal and innumerable foibles in Iraq have diminished us so.

As to the man you helped, I'm sorry he and his family are in such dire straits and you have to wonder just how many stories like his of lives ruined by neoconic pseudo compassionate conservativism there are. As if. . . compassion itself could ever be an attribute to which frugality could ever really apply. A decent meal in one's stomach can go a long way though.

Perhaps consider tuning into your solar plexus and say the "e-word" that I don't like to say or type. If I do so, mine spins backwards so I don't think it's entirely good for my chi somehow. Might not work that way for you.

I'd probably be as PO'ed as you if I lived in your state. I'm in a deeply blue state but I always say of my state, "we were corrupt long before it became nationally trendy" but it was more mafia oriented corruption than repuke.

From one irked and stubborn Celt to another.

best as ever

[I Have A Dream]

16. Yes, cassie gives ALL the time. She does it even *more* behind the scenes.

I can never thank her enough for all of the help that she's given me in the short time that I've known her.

By the way, I'm also a stubborn Celt. I wonder how many of us are. Is there a pattern?

[cassiepriam]

26. Another little pot calling the kettle black... :)

I have changed the meaning of the saying a bit but you get the drift.
You are the one who keeps this board running.
Without you we would be sunk Dream.

This goes from bad to worse so I think that original poster of this thread should complain about it being thread jacked and get a lock down or whatever they call it :).....

Hey monitors, spiritual flame war going on here...
they are calling me nice names and I object strongly!!!
Has to be a violation of DU rules somewhere, Hey Skinner make them stop! :)

Oh that is so interesting about all the celts here.
Yes Irish of the world unite.
Kindred spirits.
There is a reason they fought the British for hundreds and hundreds of years.
But kept saying Hail Marys thru all of it....

Did you see the Irish tribute on GD last St Paddy's day by H2O man?
I was crying all day as I posted on it, had a ball. We all got so sentimental and weepy, like a good wake. We talked about our Irish upbringing and relatives, our religion, our spirituality. We are strange creatures, so mystical, so literary and talented, so angry, stubborn and stupid at times. So idealistic so living in another reality.

We are going to insist he do it again next year. I am getting my Kleenex box ready and have my Danny Boy CD on hand....

[cassiepriam]

22. Not really a virtue to do what anyone would have done under the same circumstances?

Anyone who would have witnessed what the repugs have done
to this dear sweet man and his family would do the same.

But by all means make it a virtue in me, when it is really more about wonderful family in question and my dislike of the corrupt repugs in this state,
I can let you all think that human kindness flows
thru my veins. It is just not the truth! :(

(And I think it is the pot calling the kettle black Stella, you do so much for everyone on this board....)

I am a Pisces who has worked on boundaries for many many lifetimes. I cannot tell you the victim lives I have endured. And tremendous accompanying self pity and bathos. This life I am kicking the habit. Much stronger boundaries. Use rational judgment to temper any helping. One of my major major karmic goals.
My natal chart cannot not be more clear about the matter and it is marked hurry up and do it now. Help others using power of discrimination and judgment.

Funny about evil. I used to not believe in evil either. And would have agreed totally with your definitions. That is before I worked for a company that Bush and his pals took over and ruined. I saw them up close and personal and it went way beyond psychopathology and human foibles and flaws. It chilled me to the core. I had to readjust my view of man and life in a big way.

At the same time I have an infinite patience with the human condition and have tons of sympathy for all of us struggling in the toxic soup of earth trying to sort everything out and work on our inner demons.

But there is another class of folks who cross a line into something else.
There is nothing there inside. Empty shells of humans. Pretty scary.
They should be very lucky that the spirit world is about unconditional love.
They are going to need it when they hit the other side. And a good thing there are souls like you Stella to work with them. I will have to take a pass due to conflict of interests of something like that. :(

Funny but I just bought some rhodochrosite, I liked the color and and knew it was a more specialized version of Rose Q.... have not worn it yet, have to put make it up in a bracelet for myself....

Actually I want to give it to someone I know, he is looking for a girlfriend and having no luck at all. I think the rhodochrosite might do the trick, what do you think? A better use for it than myself any way. Think it will take more than a crystal to work on my energy :(... unless I can surgically implant it somewhere in myself.

[stellanoir]

31. Ahhh. . .it may just be semantics after all.

Not just anyone would have done the same to help this long suffering man. It would have taken a thinking and feeling human being to assist him in this manner. Your ilk and those like you are truly few and far between.

I know what you mean about the empty shells. They are thoroughly disconnected and it's thoroughly annoying and saddening.

I will until, the day I die, believe that human kindness courses through your veins. Silly me.

It's just a matter of the terminology. I figure.

Well if you might want to consider splitting the bounty of this rhodochrosite with this lonely friend that may be advisable. :)

Still I'll always have a problem with that particular "e-term." I know all too well, what total sub humans we're up against. Make no mistake about that. They are truly sub human and entirely bereft of conscience.

We can agree to disagree on this matter but I really think it's nothing more than semantics. But it harkens back to how I feel disgruntled about the anger spewed on this site and how it can potentially be redirected for a positive ends. Foolish me again.

That's my goal and I'm sticking to it.

Love ya so there.

When I see the countless threads speculating about front runners for the '08 elections, I wonder whether our votes will be then be counted and if there are not more pressing matters at hand. Like war and peace. That is to say nothing of the flopping looney toon in the WH. The suffering of innocents is constantly grating my soul.

In the meantime would you please lighten up on yourself? You are such a wonder and a dear soul.

I'll work on the solstice piece till then. Okay?

[cassiepriam]

32. Stella you are right about all of it....

but I am just not there....

Good thing they make people like you in charge of heaven.
I would be kicking too much butt, and yelling at the poor souls
all the time :(......

Actually I am a dual soul, split off into two parts in the spirit world, at least that is what I got in my LBL regression.

One part is the dear sweet teacher of young souls, adored by all
the little ones. ( I was so surprised by this one, adoration by children is not a thing I can even imagine or desire!)

The other part is a crusty old curmudgeon type, higher level heavenly bureaucrat who tells it like it is and doesn't pull punches. And does not suffer fools gladly. But he has an extremely strong spiritual center, and moral compass, never gets off center. And hangs on when others wimp out. He can be counted on for moral clarity and advice no matter how murky the situation is. So they cut him a lot of slack. But his very dry wit gets him into trouble. He wants to move up the ladder but needs a bit of tweaking to do so. Just can't make it to the bureaucratic big time
as is.

So you can see Stella I got sent back to earth to work on my personality. :(

Keep hammering away at me Stella, maybe it will sink in...

And yes of course anger needs to be channeled into healthy avenues...you are also right there.

Yes please work on the GD piece.... maybe a peace piece??
See my other post...

[stellanoir]

33. huh. . .?

"Good thing they make people like you in charge of heaven."

Ya gotta be kidding. . .I can barely manage my yurt (aka apartment) nevermind vast outreaches of space. LOL

Maybe most intrigued by astrology identify with multiple aspects of self and that we all are working towards integration and greater balance.

I feel somewhat similarly to the way you feel in regards to formerly not believing in "evil." I think I already mentioned elsewhere about how one of my two spiritual teachers said decades ago that my biggest mistake was in thinking that all people were human beings when they just aren't. I got furious with him for saying that. Now I recognize that those who kill without conscience and think torture is ever warranted are indeed not what I perceive to be human or even remotely humane.

I'm a little stymied on the "peace piece" but Mercury and Mars and Jupiter are all squaring my Pluto so hopefully it'll pass.

Hope you really don't think I'm hammering at you.

I enjoy our discussions as they are always thought provoking.

I think it would be really riotous if you alerted the mods on us for saying nice things about you. :rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

36. Yeah

:rofl:

[cassiepriam]

38. yes

I am supposed to integrate those two parts of myself. No small feat, but imperative for me in this lifetime. They actually think I can wrap it up this time. And move on to another level. Ha, they did not know what a hell hole earth is.... toxic soup I am swimming in. Lucky to stay sane, much less integrate anything.

Perhaps you are correct, that what I am identifying as evil may be just another life form. It somehow feels very foreign to me. Something very wrong with them that goes beyond being sociopathy. I had not thought about it being a foreign entity but that does fit Stella, maybe not evil then, just foreign.
Very interesting, I will have to think more about that idea.

On the peace piece I think you should just put together all the prayers, songs,
quotes like you did. All of them were so powerful they spoke for themselves.
Maybe refine it, add or delete somethings. But I love that idea.
Some of the most powerful people who have lived on this planet speak to us
about peace. How fitting at this time. Giving me goosebumps.

Oh heck no Stella, we are having fun and discussing, not hammering.
You know I love a good debate, requires me to think and do self examination.
A wonderful process. Hope I am not hammering at you!

Yes it would be funny to complain to the mods, agh, those Spirituality people are too darn nice. Make 'em stop. Lock em down. :)

[lildreamer316]

49. Cassie & Stella. I am VERY interested in this subject.

..about "evil"; or people who are not really "human"; or however you want to put it.
This would help me understand why,or the lack of why some people act the way they do.
I must be a very young soul, to have come in believing that everyone was at a certain level. Lemme tell you, it was such a shock to find out people would actually try to hurt others!
Maybe make a thread? I dunno. I'm just really interested to hear your take on the subject.
This is something I have struggled with. I'm not "better" than anyone else,but if what you are saying is true, then we who are "human" are "better" in the sense that we are helping our human home, Earth,better than those who are not humanoid or ______.
Love to hear more about this.

[I Have A Dream]

52. The Ascended Master information talks about how...

Earth was literally a paradise for a long time. For some reason, some souls that were not able to advance needed a place to go because their home was ascending (or something like that), and it was agreed that they could come to Earth. Thus began Earth's rapid decline in which we now live.

I'll try to find some information about it, if I remember. It was very interesting and make things make much more sense.

[stellanoir]

54. I've a friend who describes it in this way. . .

"Earth is the out patient ward for the universe."

It's as if people of varying levels and degrees of enlightenment were put on one planet and made to think that nobody's watching and that we are alone in the universe. We were given free will just to see if we would ultimately annihilate one another.

I don't really think we will do so despite all appearances to the contrary.

[cassiepriam]

68. Your friend is being kind. I can think of worse descriptions. :(

[cassiepriam]

61. Dream: Oops I did not see that you had posted the same thing I did.

Funny, we were thinking about the AMs and laggards about
the same time. Once again we do this. One hour and a minute
apart. Gee I am slow today :)....

[stellanoir]

62. At ease dear . . .It's an odd day LOL

Well similar thoughts and concepts and starkly different syntax is kinda what we do stylistically.

I generally like to take "Moondays" super slowly.

But neither one of us responded to lil's suggestion that we start another thread (instead of continuing to hijack IHAD's and Matthew's) to discuss the whole "evil"/"subhuman" thingy.

I wanted to address lil's "better" suggestion.

Okay lil, it's not a matter of "better." It's not as though there is a "who's who of the chosen few" after all. Sometimes it's the real simpletons who are the most at one with their spiritual source, unlike some braniacs who are constantly arguing with themselves and creating confusion.

That reminds me of a story of a guy who was a numerologist who's wife was having a child. During her pregnancy he dutifully toiled away trying to find a numerologically "perfect" name. Of course, there is no more a "perfect" name than there is a "perfect" astro chart or a person without their human foibles and frailties.

The child was born with an extreme case of Down's Syndrome. Anyone who has been around people with that condition often notices that, though they are developmentally challenged, and sometimes non communicative in the verbal sense, they are often love and divine humor incarnate.

That child, though extremely challenged, elevated his entire clan in the most remarkable an uncannily inspiring way.

So go figure.

In a culture that so often overtly rewards greed and selfishness and all too frequently minimizes basic human kindness, I just feel perhaps we need to take a careful approach to presumed spiritual superiority, is all.

[cassiepriam]

64. Yes the most spiritual people are the ones we least suspect

I agree.

Very hard to put people in categories....

[cassiepriam]

65. oops that was for Dream about the same posting...

I am doing it to her now.
Does that mean she gets the even days now?

[stellanoir]

66. Why pray tell should you be punished for my confusion? :)

I didn't check the times as I should have.

Actually we could split the even and odd days with IHAD, go on a tertiary cycle and get REALLY confused.

[cassiepriam]

67. I wondered about a three way split....

But I can't even keep straight the two way deal. :(

It is going to have to be a Pisces friendly plan........

[cassiepriam]

55. Laggards and the Ascended Masters.

For those of you who follow the AMs and the I AM material you are aware of the laggard issue, and how the laggards were sent to this planet.

Laggards are entities from another solar system I believe. They were not evolving the way they should. And at that time Earth was doing fairly well in in terms of soul evolution. So the story goes that the AMs sent the laggards to earth in hopes that the goodness of earth would rub off on the laggards.

Except the opposite happened. The laggards took control of the planet. That is one of the reasons so much light and help is being sent (we keep reading about it in Matthew, Karen, etc)...
The AMs know we need some help and they know the laggards were a bit of a mistake :(

At least that is the story.

Edited to add: we are behind schedule to ascend to 4th vibrational level planet so they have obtained special dispensation to give us some jump starts....

[stellanoir]

63. more than half of post #62 is for you lil

[lildreamer316]

69. Got it; thanks stella...

...and of course you do know I wasn't trying to say that I/we/whomever was spiritually superior, but just--"meant" to be here, or original inhabatants meant for this planet(or what have you);right? I guess I didn't phrase that very well; sorry.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification. I have a lot to think about right now; I'm going to come back and re-read this again.

Interesting info. You lovely ladies have some links for me?

[Why Syzygy]

70. lil'd

if the lessor of us was not allowed to tread among the giants I would not be here.

We get to walk in their shadows.

And so it is.

But we get to be shadows! That's okay. It really is. Many of us are.

[lildreamer316]

71. Ain't that the truth!

Surely, I know it.

I am basking in the glow, even now.........:hug:

[Why Syzygy]

72. I don't know

what kind of leo you are, but all I know how to be is clumsey. No one ever told me how to be elegant.

But I know you are, cuz you dance. Which we all should do a bit of.
I'm all over the board tonight.

[Why Syzygy]

15. Cass ..

a few weeks ago when I had an energy healer over, and he got to my heart chakra, it was in shreds.
Just a green pinwheel. I hadn't paid any attention before then, though should have. Just paying attention to it and healing has helped a lot. The Way is Healing, you know.

I don't know that there is a backward spin to chakras? Correct me if I'm wrong. For the most part, mine go clockwise. But if they go the other way, I don't worry too much. Should I?

I don't know what state you live in, but sounds like Ohio. Or Texas. Or any of 48 others?

You've already done the melt down. New mold. :D

[cassiepriam]

21. I was just kidding about my chakkra spinning backwards....

Sorry, I am pretty irreverent a great deal of the time.
When I am not being totally and 100% reverent.
I am a study in opposites... :)

I think others here can answer the question better than I about the directionality of the chakra spinning. My understanding is that the chakras ar supposed to spin in a certain direction, but at times, under certain conditions, are not moving the way they are supposed to..

Actually my heart chakra keeps closing up, and I have to work to open it.
For some practical reasons I need to keep it closed so that it OK. But meditation and certain music just pops it open, it is really amazing.

God forbid I should live in Texas :(..........
but if you can think of a state where the Repug gov was indicted for wrong doing and one of his good pals bilked the Bur of Workman's Comps out of a gazillion dollars then you would not be wrong...

LOL that is a thought, I have already been melted down, and re done...
that gives me hope :)

[stellanoir]

23. ahhh we love contrarians

Still it's my humble understanding and experience that chakras spin both ways (i.e. energy in, energy out) at varying times and as is appropriate.

I can certainly understand and empathize totally with one being protective of their heart in these sometimes perilous times.

Still, I love the rare an infrequent times I can stand tall with my shoulders not arched forward and meet the world with total trust.

To quote an oft quoted pundit. . ."Keep hope alive." :)

It's an odd day. :rofl:

[cassiepriam]

25. Yes

My understanding is that the chakra energy can manifest in a number
of ways for various reasons, energy in or out, closed and open as need be.
My chakras close and open for very specific reasons. And one of my chakras is huge and tends to overshadow the others.

It is a complex energy system, far beyond my knowledge.

A good friend of mine is a pranic healer and every now and then she cleans and energizes my chakras. Gives me a headache and makes my hyper. I tell her that I life my chakras dirty and clogged :)....

Just kidding, as it always feels a lot better, but at first it is a shock to my system. And it is my fault, I always talk her into giving me a bit more energy than I can handle and then I pay for it. But it does warp drive me into a new state of spiritual functioning.

[stellanoir]

29. Yup it varies wildly for sure.

I'll guess which of your chakras is over amping if you'll guess mine. Kidding only. Mine all take their turns at it.

Dunno if your joking but we all have to choose our healers and readers carefully sometimes.

Keep "warp driving" though, you may gode us all to a happier world to come, over time.

I'm an optimist that wayyy.

[cassiepriam]

30. OK guess which one of my chakras is supposed to be oversized.

Been told by several folks that it is....
not sure it is a good thing :(

Oh the pranic healer, who is a good friend, is very good, I just like to joke around.

When anyone does energy work on me I tell them not to make
it too clean and nice, makes me nervous and cranky ;)..........

Yes my curse is I do gode the world into being a better place, whether anyone wants to or not. :(

[stellanoir]

35. Now you can alert the mods regarding our compliments

and I can alert the mods that your reducing intuitive arts to a parlor game. LOL

aah. . . I reckon I'd guess your solar plexus or third eye. :)

[cassiepriam]

37. Give the lady a prize...

Correct, solar plexus.

(Another good friend of mine is a Reiki master,
she looked at my chakras today as a matter of fact.
SP is very big, but so is my heart chakra actually.)

So yes Stella you win the prize for the day, would
you like the spirituality forum key chain, ball cap or
tote bag? :)

Oops do we get busted for playing "guess the chakra size"??

Gee what do they expect bored psychics to do for fun?

[Why Syzygy]

39. ugh-a!

I am having yet another roommate issue. I cannot live with anyone. Nothing chaotic, but his energy is draining me. He 'whispers'. Cannot even speak. I had two visitors this week and they both felt a need to care take this guy. He sneaks up on me and startles the daylights out of me. It's like, you never know when this guy is going to sneak up and whisper something! If any dialog ensues, it is because I instigate it. And most of the time, I just want to be left alone. Not having to entertain someone who rents here.

So I don't know what chakra that might be, but I feel it pulling the life out of me. (sounds like SP) !

(this is what I get for being mouthy last week .. it never fails. If I think something is wrong with someone else, I'm in the bullseye.)

[stellanoir]

40. welp

First off, I felt as if it was definitely your solar plexus. Then I thought of how hard it is sometimes for me to craft a response to you. . .so I thought secondarily. . .third eye. I ruled off the heart chakra because you had talked about it going backwards because of the stupid pukes.

But if I've truly won. screw the keychain, ball cap, and tote bag. I'll settle for nothing less than the rental of the castle in Leichtenstein for a peace conference. Okay. . .? That's all I've asked for, for Christmas for many years. (how's that for a Venus retro conjunct Pluto OTT demand?-they actually DO rent it out-I don't ask for much)

In as much as you mimimize your inherent goodness of heart, it shines through despite yourself. :)

I really never doubted the largess of your heart even if you do sometimes.

tra la la

best as ever

[cassiepriam]

41. A castle??

Gee I thought a refrigerator magnet was a generous prize :(

If I had a castle Stella it would be yours :)

(third eye was a good guess too, actually all of it is a bit supersized....
however the sp really sticks out, time to go on an auric diet?? :)

[cassiepriam]

42. A question

You said:
//Then I thought of how hard it is sometimes for me to craft a response to you. . .so I thought secondarily. . .third eye.//

Wouldn't it be the opposite? If I had a large third eye, crafting a response to me would be easier??

But hey what do I know? I am just guessing about this, you have a better knowledge of all of it than I do.....

[stellanoir]

43. It probably would but that was a really fleeting perception

and most likely has more to do with synastry and now that I think about more, it might even have more to do with your astute intellect, heightened perceptions, and droves of wisdom.

Uht oh. . .there I go with the compliments again. (ALERT ALERT ALERT)

But primarily I was reminded of two factors. The first being your Mars placement and the second factor was rememebering you posting on another thread something to the effect of "no body messes with my friends." That was so funnily Mars-y.

Dunno about "more knowledge." Am a fairly good guesser sometimes. :)

And yup. . .with me it's always been "castle or bust." Strangely it's been mostly "bust." Prabably has something to do with Venus retro on Regulas.

I may have to settle on a kitchen magnet of it this time 'round and that would be just fine.

[cassiepriam]

44. Stella

And you know that I have my head up my rear end most of the time..

I am going to report you to the mods yet :)
Hey she is being nice to me again, make her stop :)

But if you keep buttering me up I will have to give you that DU refrigerator magnet and darling key ring.

Even if you did chose the castle. I tend to chose the castles in life as well. Trying to be more practical but it is hard...

Yes I had not thought of that, but yes Mars in Scorpio is definitely SP chakra. I had not tied the chakra system into the natal chart info, I have to think about that, but makes sense.

Venus would be heart? Nep third eye, etc??

PS stella have you heard of a crystal called apophyllite?

[stellanoir]

45. Have you ever heard the Ani DiFranco song that has the line. . .

"They say that gold fish have no memory, I guess their lives are just like mine, and that little plastic castle is a surprise every time. . ." ???

I heard that and just kept imagining a gold fish turning around in a bowl and going "wow" at every turn.

So I bought a little plastic castle and said "wow" for a long while every time I passed my bureau. :) That was my "gold fish" phase of zen.

The planets do correlate to varying degrees with the chakras but there are always exceptions. And you know how it goes, folks love to speak in terms of absolutes so there are all sorts of hard and fast schematics and diagrams floating about for which I can usually cite a boatload of variations.

You presented a perfect example of an exception. I don't believe I've ever heard of anyone guess that Neptune would influence the third eye as it's generally seen as Mercurial but knowing that your Mercury is in Neptune's sign, it makes perfect sense that your's would have the planetary influence of both.

Yup Venus is generally associated with the heart but again there are exceptions.

Have you ever heard how one says another has their head up their butt in more polite clinical terms???. . ."so and so is decidedly suffering from cranial rectal inversion." Would never say that about you.

Always is fun to take bathroom humor to a more sophisticated level.

[cassiepriam]

46. Had not heard of it before, neat song.

Mercury is my chart ruler but it is in a very strong position in my Pisces stellium and a part of my grand water trine. So I guess I just think of it only in neptunian ways, to me the third eye is about spirit, vision, God communication. It belongs to another world. Also my merc, sun and moon are so connected that I do not think of it as separate.

I would think of Mercury as more lower chakra for most folks, not upper but I get what you are saying. I will have to go look up astrology and chakra connections. Interesting topic.

Of course they are related just had not thought about it much. That is how the natal chart energies actually manifest in real life. The energy is transmitted from the planets to the chakras which are the receivers, then the energy flows from the chakras to the meridians to the body organs. And the energy goes back out the other way. Nice to see how it is all connected. Nothing really mysterious about it all if you think about it, very efficient system.

I think the fact that there is not agreement or many exceptions exist means that the theory is not complete at this point, still too complicated for us to have mapped it out clearly. It will happen one day.

No had not heard the phrase "cranial rectal inversion." That is funny. Will try that one on hubby, he likes potty humor :(

[Why Syzygy]

34. my root chakra

gets me into some unreliable situations. I think it is absoluetly out of control.
It isn't just the time of year. It's this time every year. I'm about to start sounding like a whiner. I HATE IT. I really need to slow down. Getting overworked is starting to look like a pattern. I so wish I was a bear.

[lildreamer316]

18. STELLA!!

"have a canary"???????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

<picturing a little yellow bird popping out of your mouth and chirping loudly>

[lildreamer316]

17. Cassie--

you are the shizz-nat (that's my favorite affectionate term).:hug:

[cassiepriam]

24. Thank you. I think :)

I had to look up the term, but when I goggled it, it was next to "shit" and "penis growth patch".

I thought I would just ask you what it means...:)
How do you pronounce it, and what does it mean?
I am sure it is nice since you indicate it is an affectionate term.

[lildreamer316]

50. Very late response:

In my lexicon it is "You are the shit!" Which believe it or not means "You're the bee's knees" or something to the effect of you are just awesome (but that phrase has been just a tad overused).
Screw the urban dictionary def;mine is better!:hi:

[cassiepriam]

56. The "bees knees" I get, just like Grandma used to say :)...

When we were young we said FAR OUT.

[BluePatriot]

8. I agree.

It's especially bad this year. It was nice when my small company passed out the memo yesterday that they had given to four charities.

[Grateful for Hope]

3. Thank you for sharing this! n/t

[cassiepriam]

28. Some people worthy of high praise

Heroines/Heros for our time:

Cindy Sheehan: literally living in a ditch, putting herself in harms way every day to do the right thing.

Patrick Fitzgerald: also put himself in serious danger to do his job and the right thing.

Victoria Plame: Suing the highest govt officials puts her also at risk. She knows what she may get in retaliation. Her CIA work required bravery, now fighting a corrupt regime requires the highest bravery.

These are just a few but there are so many more.
Dennis Kucinich, Murtha, etc etc...

[cassiepriam]

47. Sorry Dream, I have been thread jacking you again :(

Better turn me into the authorities, I am incorrigible.
Maybe there is a thread jacking rehab I need to enter :(

I will write 100 times: I WILL NOT HIJACK DREAM'S THREADS.

[stellanoir]

48. I'm just as guilty of thread jacking here.

Hey cass instead of rehab why don't we cop out totally and say the spirit of Matthew made us do it. :evilgrin:

[I Have A Dream]

51. See my response to cassie above.

:hug:

[cassiepriam]

53. Don't laugh, I was thinking that maybe somehow Matthew was

behind this particular jacking!

He made us do it!!!!!!!!

What a trouble maker that Matt is..... :)

[stellanoir]

57. yup

I'm sure that spirit has NOTHING better to do with it's energy than try to inspire a cat fight over compliments in the astro forum solely for it's entertainment value.

Sheesh.

If Suzy wasn't always saying how backlogged her e-mails were I'd send her a link. :)

[cassiepriam]

58. LOL

But really Stella, aren't there a few pearls of wisdom
interlaced with the cat fighting? We have continued the "fight"
thru odd and even days. There has to be utter brilliance
somewhere....so maybe it is spiritually inspired??

OK I am streatching things a bit, actually a lot, but for heaven's sake don't send this to Suzy, next Matthew will be having a few words with us. He is a somber and serious soul. Yikes!

[stellanoir]

59. Pearls of wisdom for sure.

I was just foolin' around and I never felt as though we were fighting really.

From a energetic perspective I've always believed the only point of conflict of any sort is ideally to raise consciousness over time.

I used to believe that it was energetically impossible for conflict to arise in the absence of mutually shared culpability but now I'm not so sure about that theory anymore. It may be true on a karmic level though. Tough to tell when you see apparent innocents (little ones especially) caught in the crossfire.

I usually connect to the more playful aspects of spirits regardless of the gravity of circumstances. I wasn't really gonna send the link to Suzy but the thought of doing so did make me laugh.

As to Matthew being somber and serious, he is being channelled by his MOTHER so he might be still behaving himself for her ;) depending on their dynamic.

I just looked up his chart from his last life for the first time (sans birthtime.) Had a water trine like you.

[cassiepriam]

60. Of course we are just playing...

Slow newsday and I am sick with some sort of bug today.
A bit of fun pretending to have a flame war.

Actually I think it would be almost impossible for me to have a
real fight with a mars in libra like yourself. Your mars packs a lot of power given where it is, but you are going to go to the mat mainly for what is right and for the underdog. I could never fight against that. I cannot tease or argue with that which is right and just. And yes, I am provocative for the purpose of educating and trying to help those who cannot speak out.

I think you are right about the mutual culpability in karmic terms. But not in human reality. All we have to do is look
at the children suffering in the Mideast. Or the Katrina victims
floating in the water, dead.

You got me on the suzy thing. It was funny to think about.

Oh I had not thought that maybe Matthew is on best behavior talking to mom. He still comes across as a serious lad, but he may loosen up in other settings, yes. Oh I will have to go look up his natal chart, how interesting...