Neptune, Mars and June 1st

[ccpup]

With Rasmussen now showing her lead in PA to be only 5 points, one can definitely see the workings of Neptune square her Nodes as, once again, he dissolves something that had appeared solid. And, as that transit waxes toward exact (on April 5th), don't be surprised if other "bad" news pops up or calls for her to drop out fill the airwaves again.

But once that tea-kettle whistles and Neptune moves away from his exact square to her Nodes and Jupiter begins his sextile to her Ascendant/Mercury a few days later (April 9th, I believe), things should right themselves. And, with more than enough time before the April 22nd Primary, I trust she'll find herself with a solid lead again and win handily as seen by the Mars trine action during and after the Primary as well as the Yod Tr Jupiter and Tr Uranus make with her Saturn the day of the Primary. (A Yod is a Finger of God or a Transit of Fate formed when two planets sextile one another while both quincunx a third planet ... edited to add: Rick DiClemente has a wonderful, brief description of a Yod in his current Newsletter)

Neptune doesn't stop there, though, as he moves to 24 Aquarius three days after PA where he'll station and then retrograde and vibrate only 1 degree (and no change) from an opposition with Barack's Uranus and 1 degree and 45 minutes from a trine with Hillary's Uranus. Interesting how Barack is experiencing what may be considered within orb for a Neptune opposition Uranus just as the US Chart is readying for a Uranus opposition Neptune transit.

Anyway, as Jupiter leaves his sextile to Hillary's Mercury/Ascendant, Uranus steps in with a trine to this same Mercury/Ascendant which forms the 4 day Yod in effect the day of the Primary I mentioned above.

You may see Barack appearing to gain some ground the week before the Primary with Tr Mars trine his Ascendant. But, when that Mars then moves to inconjunct his MC the weekend before April 22nd -- as well as Jupiter working that sextile to Hillary's Ascendant/Mercury --, that traction may seem to slow considerably, especially in light of Tr Saturn having retrograded back to within 1 degree and change of being square his Moon as well as inconjunct his Mercury (stutter-step in getting one's message across effectively?) and sextile his Venus (reaching out to bridge the gap in a relationship with a female?) where he'll stay for the next six weeks.

Barack does have Tr Jupiter station trine his Mars for almost 4 weeks after the PA Primary, but I don't know if the effect it'll have will be enough to balance out or erase the Tr Saturn square Moon as Jupiter doesn't hit that tea-kettle whistle exact degree before stationing and retrograding back to sextile Hillary's Mercury/Ascendant. He could have a great week in early-May as Saturn turns direct, Jupiter nears -- but doesn't reach -- the exact trine with his Mars and Tr Mars is sextile for two days his Natal Mars, though.

Truth be told, I'd keep my eyes peeled for June 1 and the days surrounding that date. Why?

This Uranus station conjunct Hillary's Moon never reaches exact. It stations and then retrogrades about 10 minutes away from the exact degree where her Moon sits. Still close this time, no doubt, but not the tea-kettle whistle that indicates the water's rapidly boiling. Uranus does, however, hit Barack's Mars by exact opposition ... three times. Once direct and once retrograde this time around with a direct and final hit again in early-March.

In fact, -- and this is where astrology makes me sit back and shake my head in wonder with it's jaw-dropping, brilliant sense of timing -- the day he first hits Barack's Mars by exact opposition is the day Tr Mars is conjunct Barack's Sun, June 1st.

Mars conjunct one's Sun carries great potential and great risk. One's confidence and energy are undoubtedly at an all-time high but so is one's ego and it's frighteningly easy to go off the handle at the slightest provocation (or what is perceived as a provocation) and get into brutal, highly emotional arguments with Superiors or those one feels are some kind of threat. With his Mars being directly hit by Uranus that day as well ... oh man ... it's almost impossible to either imagine the anger, rage and energy he will feel or to accurately predict the outcome.

The second pass for Barack is nine weeks later in late-July as Mars is sextile his Ascendant, but Chiron is in opposition to his MC again. Astrology taketh and giveth away ... at the same time!

So, things may seem somehow stuck with Saturn's upcoming retrograde and station, but don't worry. I suspect Uranus will give us all enough excitement to last for quite some time.

[Celebration]

1. Here is my plea

Obviously nobody can be forced to follow this suggestion. Let's use this thread to post all future political predictions and astrological predictions about the candidates.

Now, this cannot be enforced, of course.

When this thread hits post number 100, let's start another one.

However, I would also remind people that when their posts seem political, then this thread will most likely seem more like GDP than ASAH, so just expect that. There should not be any political "safe havens" using ASAH as cover. For that you can go to the candidate groups.

Again, I do not have any special authority here. This is just a plea for sanity. If you disagree with this then feel free to post thread after thread after thread after thread, with new titles, all supporting your candidate.

Please note that I have not one OP of a political nature here.

[Matariki]

3. I think that's a good idea - but -

I suggest starting a new thread entitled "Democratic Candidate predictions" or something like that. With an included plea to not FIGHT about one's preferred candidate. And perhaps a discussion on the ways in which personal desires can cloud one's divination abilities...

[Celebration]

5. well, we could TRY it

I'm not idealistic enough to think that would work. Because, one person is likely to post something that angers someone, and that person responds somewhat emotionally, and then people gang up on that person, and then someone threatens to leave or tells someone to leave, and then that person gets scolded and so on and so forth.

I am just talking human nature here. And it is not appropriate to start a love fest for a candidate in here. That would be worse than the rancor.

We could plea for rational discussion but that is about all. Why don't you start a thread? I nominate you and we can just see what happens.

[ccpup]

7. my OP is not a Love fest.

I brought up both "good" and "bad" transits for the candidates and wrote in a non-confrontational, measured, respectful way. If any GD-P energy is in this Thread, it's solely the part of those bitchin' about a GD-P energy being in the Thread. Those who often take part in my Threads do so in a non-confrontational, anti-political and open way. Save for a few constant complainers, much of the conversation is respectful and appreciative.

Listen, I find it fascinating to look at the current Primary Race -- which is hard-to-escape in today's news -- through astrological eyes, seeing the planets and aspects and Progressions work in each Candidate's chart in real time. If this is something you don't particularly enjoy, there is nothing at all forcing you to participate.


If, on the other hand, you find this interesting -- and while else would you click on the Thread? I hardly think it's just to broadcast your displeasure, ... is it? -- and are sincerely curious about why I see things astrologically the way I do, you're more than welcome to ask questions and, hopefully, if you like, learn something new. You can even offer conflicting astro-info should you run across it. That's the intention with these Threads: to flex our astro-muscles and learn new things as well as inform those who find this sort of discussion interesting. If that's not you, then please don't feel obligated to read the threads or Post complaints about them.

Not every Thread in this Forum will be to your liking and that isn't a realistic expectation anyway. When I see something that doesn't necessarily interest me or is offered by an OP I don't often agree with, I just choose not to spend my time reading it or interrupting those involved in the discussion with my complaints about how I don't enjoy what they're doing.

You're welcome to take part, of course. But I won't discontinue my Threads just to please you. I will continue to offer my astrological musings whenever I see fit. These thoughts are in the correct Forum and I have no intention of being buried in a massive Thread just so someone's tender sensibilities won't be offended. We're all adults here and have the Choice which Threads to take part in and which Threads to ignore. I use that Power and I trust you should, too.

I won't continue this argument with you about the validity of my Posting what I Post. This is my statement and, from here on out, I'm sticking to astrology.

I believe I've made myself and my intentions more than clear. You're welcome to hang around if you find what I do of interest and sincerely wish to participate. If not, I trust there are many other Threads you could enjoy and spend your time on.

(edited because my original GD-P came up, hilariously, GD:P )

[Celebration]

8. I think your posts are interesting

However, intentional or not, your posts have led to pro Hillary love fests. That just naturally attracts some opposition, as would happen in GDP. As an example, someone posted something emotional in opposition to the pro Hillary tone of the posts in a thread a day or so ago, and then was abruptly told to leave the group. I find that inappropriate. Nobody should be told to leave the group for posting a political opinion in what has essentially become a political thread.

Then, intentional or not, that whole incident led to someone spamming the place with Madame Zulu predictions of all sorts.

I think we have to expect a certain amount of rancor when the posts get political, and it just makes sense to put them all in the same thread, so people who choose to hide GDP don't have to look at them here.

I'm fine with predictions and astrology being posted. But when people post pro or anti statements about candidates, even if they are only implicit, they just are going to get some emotional replies. If everyone tries to tone it down a notch (and this is not directed at you), this can succeed.

But no, I'm not going to give a pass on a whole pro Hillary thread just because it happens to be in ASAH.

[ccpup]

9. I won't be held responsible for other Threads in ASAH

nor will I make my Threads anti-this or anti-that just to scratch your pro-whatever itch. You either like what I do or you don't. And to say you support predictions while, at the same time, insisting that one candidate not be supported over another is not only contradictory, but laughable. I read how the energy of the current transits work and, despite what some who know me claim, I do not have power over the Universe, the planets and how they move or who's getting what aspect in a chart I had nothing to do with in the first place. It is what it is for who it is and I do my best to call it as such.

I sense if I was seeing amazing things for Barack and Hillary having a public meltdown complete with a straight-jacket and people throwing rocks at her while she sobbed hysterically, you'd be fine with my threads. And I don't know if that makes you a hypocrite or just irritating.

My threads are what they are and will remain so: pro-astrology. If you wish to take part, please do. But don't complain of a confrontational, political energy in a thread that is a respectful, appreciative conversation about astrology and astrological aspects if you're the one introducing the confrontational, political energy into it.

As for not giving a pass on a "pro-Hillary thread", you're welcome to waste your time as you wish and haunt my threads while bringing nothing of substance or use to the table. It's a free Country and a free Forum.

I, on the other hand, have and will utilize the choice to not respond to you unless you show a sincere interest in asking me a question about what I've written. That opportunity I'd most heartily welcome.

[Celebration]

10. not "haunting" anything

All I did was defend someone who was asked to leave the group in a thread you started. She had posted an emotional response to the pro Hillary tone in the thread.

If I had found anything objectionable to your posts I would have said something, which I didn't.

Like it or not, political threads are going to cause emotional reactions. And that is why people elect not to see GDP. I would like people to have the protection that they need. Thus, my suggestion that we put all the political prediction posts in one thread. If you don't agree, then fine, you can obviously do as you please.

[ccpup]

12. protection?

oh please. If someone is too sensitive to handle a Thread they may disagree with or find distasteful, then ... I don't even know what to say about that. We're all adults, we all have Free Will and can click out of a thread as quickly as we click into it. If someone finds something THAT horrible that they feel they need protection from it, well, ... again, I'm at a loss for what to say to that. Obviously don't click on it and, if you still find yourself upset beyond repair, please seek professional help.

In all seriousness, although I refuse to edit myself or write only what I think people will enjoy, I am keenly aware of the need to be balanced. I do my best to catch those major transits which will both have the opportunity to help the candidate or will potentially be troublesome for the candidate. Again, I have no control over who's getting what in their charts. If Barack is getting an opposition from something and Hillary is getting a trine, that's what it is. If you can find something astrologically different, the I welcome that conversation.

Obviously I will do as I please, as will you. And I certainly hope those who are unfortunately faint-of-heart will have their smelling salts at hand should an unpleasant word or thought dare drift into their beautiful little bubble of a World.

I'm still scratching my head over one's need to be "protected". I just ... I'm at a loss. :shrug: '

Oh, and the person who was asked to leave on the last thread did state plainly that Hillary supporters are without morals or intelligence (or something like that). That they were asked to leave is hardly surprising considering the comment they made.

[Celebration]

14. Well that is what I thought too!!

I don't block GDP, and I don't mind conflict. And I don't block posters. But there was a huge push for people to be able to block GDP in DU. They even separated GDP from GD in DU for that reason. It is because people didn't like the arguments. And, no, it wasn't enough to avoid threads. Those are just the facts. And there are a lot of people here who don't want to read threads with lots of conflicts in them.

Again, I would rather see conflict than a love fest. I would expect that a pro Obama prediction with lots of pro Obama people posting to it would attract some emotional responses (even some over the top) from Hillary people. I would just expect that even if we would hope that wouldn't happen.

As far as that one poster went, we should have cut her some slack because of the horrendous experience she had just gone through in Laredo.

I just think it would make sense to put posts that are likely to engender such conflict all in one place, so that the people who block GDP don't have to go to extra lengths to avoid them. Because, if we don't, people are likely to leave. There are people here who truly are very sensitive.

[ccpup]

16. what you're asking is that we be super-sensitive

of anyone who may stumble across what we Post or, somehow, know what they find acceptable and what they're offended by. As for that Poster and her experience in Laredo? I have no idea what you're talking about and suspect there are others like me who are similarly in the dark. What I saw was someone who was inexcusably and unnecessarily rude and was reprimanded. The Poster's personal story? I could care less. Doesn't excuse ANYONE from saying what they said.

The fact of the matter is this: I'll continue to Post what I find in the candidate's charts astrologically and there will be, as always, those who appreciate it as well as those who don't. That's just the way it is. I have neither the time nor inclination to gingerly step my way through this Forum in the hopes of not offending anyone. My 00 Degree Aries Sun/North Node could care less if someone bursts into emotionally unstable tears after reading what I write, although my poor hyper-diplomatic Libra South Node (conjunct Jupiter and Uranus) is SCREAMING at my Aries Sun right now. In fact, I can almost feel that poor Libra fan her face frantically as she reaches for her smelling salts. But this is my Aries talking now.

With my Mars in Sag square my Mercury in Pisces, it's inevitable that not everyone will "get" what I communicate. That's fine. But as long as I present it in a balanced, thoughtful, respectful and intelligent way, I know there WILL be those who enjoy it. And, judging by the kind PMs I receive urging me to continue, there are.

Conflict is something no Forum can be without. And to suggest that ASAH was somehow without conflict before Threads like this appeared is simply dishonest or perhaps just unaware of ASAH's history. The TONE of the conflict is entirely dependent on those who take part and, believe it or not, a great deal of learning can take place when people disagree from a place of mutual respect and open-mindedness. If my Threads open up those types of conversations -- based on astrology and how certain planets work in aspect or Progression -- then that's fine with me.

My Posts will continue as always and you're more than welcome to ask questions when you're curious about something. If you continue to just pester me with "why are doing this and why here?" questions, I'll probably ignore you. Nothing personal, but I do need to invest my time where it'll do the most good and continuing an unnecessary argument over something I have no intention of changing just ain't at the top of my list.

I do enjoy our conversation, though, and appreciate your honesty and patience.

[lavenderdiva]

22. you can always put ccpup on 'ignore'

and avoid reading what you might find upsetting. Just an idea...

[Why Syzygy]

23. One of YOUR fans tried to throw someone out of the group.

It wasn't about CLICKING a post.

What do you not get about that? Are you saying that unless someone has something nice to say about HILLARY, we should stay out of YOUR threads? I've been attacked by the same fan when not even replying to her. They are motivated by YOUR POSTS. You are saying that is okie dokie with you OR that only pro-Hillbots should be allowed in your threads. Which is it?

I'm just aghast at your f-u attitude.

edit: Being thrown out due to a comment served to perfectly prove the comment.
Punishment for the Truth. Always a good Nazi tactic.

[lavenderdiva]

25. I don't read that ccpup says that at all....

and I don't think she is saying anything that would imply f-u. What I read is that everyone has the ability to post what they would like about whatever topic (or candidate) they would like in this forum, as long as it is related to Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing. This is the proper forum for her to post her insights in. I believe all she is asking for is a courteous discourse. This is true of any group or forum within the DU framework. Attacking another poster is against DU rules. She is inviting anyone to read or join in the discussion, as long as they are courteous. I don't think that is too much to ask.

[crikkett]

50. oo i missed that

[crikkett]

49. I can't say I've seen spam on ASAH and I'm not into new rules

that's what mods are for, ya?

[Grateful for Hope]

6. Absolutely agree, Kineta

Thank you to both you and itsjustme for this.

[mother earth]

15. Why forego mutual respect (aka safe haven)

when all it means is that we expect people to be civil to one another. Remember, we don't shoot the messenger here. This is not about supporting a candidate, this is about reading th stars. As always those who have that ability most certainly should weigh in, minus the WMD's of course.

[ccpup]

17. I do so try to balance the Candidate's charts

and offer both the "good" and the "bad" where I find it. But, as I've said before, I'm not responsible for who's experiencing what in their charts. And my poor diplomatic Libra South Node is beside herself running in circles with her efforts to please everyone that I almost expect her to collapse and unleash the full force of my 00 degree Aries Sun/N. Node/Chiron! You don't wanna lock horns with THAT puppy, that's for sure.

But my balanced Taurus Moon/MC would never let my Aries stellium lose control and embarrass beyond recognition my super-sensitive Leo Rising. Besides, this challenge I'm receiving from those who disagree with what I do is just one manifestation of the current Tr Pluto t-square my S. Node/Jupiter/Uranus and my Sun/N. Node/Chiron. The energy of that transit is making me carve my identity (even if it isn't to everyone's liking ... a veritable suicide watch for my desperately nice Libra South Node!) while still not losing sight of my beliefs or how I present them.

So, in other words, it's all good and I'll continue doing what I do.

[mother earth]

18. I certainly hope so!

You don't want to mess with mother earth. I see it as all good too, ccpup. Many thanks for these, fascinating reads. I remember all too well your insight on Edwards (a bit less enthusiasticly, I'm afraid), but you do call 'em as you see 'em & we'll know soon enough how this shakes out.

[Why Syzygy]

24. I feel sorry for you.

You really make me lose all interest or scrap of trust in astrology. Fanaticism is a total turn off.

[ccpup]

28. and yet here you are on an astrology thread

Hmmmmmm ... :shrug:

[Coyote_Bandit]

29. Ummmm

I prefer a thread for each topic. It is far easier to follow. Not to mention more considerate of folks on dial up connections.

Folks are partisan and they have political preferences. Those preferences color what we hear and what we say. And that is true even when the speech relates to spiritual matters.

Meanwhile there are some very practical requirements and expectations of s vibrant meaningful spirituality. In my experience spirituality ain't worth sh*t if it doesn't work when the rubber hits the road. I personally have no use for pie in the sky spirituality that does not impact my daily life and practical choices. And that includes political choices. Your mileage may vary.

Am I surprised that some less than pleasant partisan exchanges have worked their way into this forum? No, not really. We've got folks here looking through different lenses, seeing different things and interpreting it consistent with their own experience and beliefs. Such is the stuff of life. And this is after all a forum hosted by a political discussion board. It is a forum that has a history of looking at candidates, campaigns and office holders through spiritual eyes. It is a forum that has a long history of applying spirituality to political matters. Nobody expressed offense at such discussions when they were focused on George Bush, or on a potential Gore candidacy last year in the lead up to the primaries, or a host of other political subjects. I would suggest that Obama, Hillary and the present primary fiasco are not sacred cows. There happen to be conflicting loyalties in the forum with respect to these candidates. Is that a surprise? No. And it is not an excuse for anyone to get their panties in a wad either.

Every astrologer that reads a chart and every preacher that darkens a pulpit brings his/her own desires and experiences with him/her. Same is true if one is reading rune stones or tarot cards. Desires and experiences are part of personal identity and colors and influences what we see, say and hear. It is unrealistic to expect otherwise IMHO. Indeed, if you read and follow political astrology you know that there are a wide variety of political astrology readings available regarding the 2008 primary and general election.

I determined quite some time ago that I was responsible for making my DU experience a positive and pleasant one. I frequently read and post to DU in my home. I consider those who post here akin to guests in my home and there is some behavior I will not tolerate in my home. I simply am not obligated to host commentary or behavior I find offensive. It is in my sole discretion to determine what commentary and behavior is and is not offensive. My home is not the place to pick a fight, to be rude, inconsiderate or disrespectful of others or their ideas and beliefs, or to ridicule or be intolerant of the ideas of others especially when that ridicule does not address the substance of their commentary. I have the ability to hide threads and to ignore individual posters if I choose. So does everyone here. I have never before had reason to do so in this forum. Sadly, I wonder if that will continue to hold true. Nonetheless, I am determined to enforce my boundaries.

I would suggest you might consider doing likewise. If you think a thread is inappropriate for this forum hide it. Alert a moderator. Put the poster on your ignore list. You have lots of options. One of them is to simply walk away. One of them is to disagree with what is posted on its merits - as opposed to simply saying certain topics ought not be discussed at all.

None of us can dictate or control what another chooses to post. None of us have the right to do that. If we feel that the laws of the land are being violated then we have recourse to make an appeal to the moderators.

What each of us can control is what we post and how we respond to various posts.

I would suggest that we ought not make ourselves responsible for things we cannot control.





itsjustme, I have posted this in reply to your post. But I want to be clear in saying that my comments are directed at the forum as a whole and not intended to single you out. The comments are broadly applicable.

[Celebration]

30. Basically all I want

Is people not to be chased away or be afraid to post their legitimate "other" concerns here. It doesn't feel cozy and it doesn't feel safe. We have already lost quite a few posters, in case you haven't noticed. It is stressful to hide every single thread, and it was particularly so this morning. Lots of different prediction threads by ths same poster was just way over the top.

I don't have any particular authority here and people can do what they want. But the tone and energy of the place changes when there are so many partisan type threads. I'm not going anywhere, but lots of people have and many more will. There are a ton of people who like to come here to get away from all the partisanship. Really this place and GDP are about the only places here where there is all this rancor about candidates, and that just seems ridiculous. The whole reason that GDP was started was to keep this from happening all over DU. But I do realize that astrology posts would be lost there. I was just trying to forge a reasonable compromise so people wouldn't drop out.

[ccpup]

33. I appreciate your efforts to forge a reasonable compromise

It sounds as if the main problem you presently have is with a Poster who did something I have absolutely nothing to do with. Should I be held accountable for what another Poster has done? If my OPs aren't inflammatory, partisan, over-the-top and confrontational, should I somehow be punished for what someone else did on ASAH? It may be possible you're having a conversation with the wrong Poster and putting me in a position where I feel the need to defend something I haven't even done.

In truth, what you've basically done here is taken what was intended as a Thread about astrology and turned it into your own Bickering Soap Box to complain and moan on. Congratulations. This Thread has now officially become All About You. Better now? I hope so because scratching your attention itch is getting tiresome and boring and it's moved way past being interesting.

Regardless, you still seem to want to beat this dead horse, though. So, fine, beat it.

I won't invest anymore of my time or energy defending what I do or attempting to answer for something someone else has done. DU has options available to those who don't feel safe or cozy with my Threads. As I said earlier, I'm more than happy to answer questions about astrology. But this kind of conversation is not one I'm having again.

As far as not Posting anymore, well, you've made me want to Post MORE threads on astrology. And if you don't like it, you don't have to read them. Simple as that.

Later.

[Celebration]

37. suit yourself

I never suggested that you not post anymore, just to set the record straight. And the hide thread thing did not work well in GD, either, which is why GDP was started.

You seem to have a sense of entitlement about what can be posted in threads that you begin, and, sorry, that is not going to happen. There are no safe harbor Clinton love fest threads here. That is what your threads become, even if that is not your intention.

[Coyote_Bandit]

41. Again, ummmmmm

Folks are entitled to lurk or walk away. Their choice. As someone who is decidedly less than fond of the two remaining candidates let me say that you don't need to protect my sensibilities from a "Clinton love fest." Or from Obama-mania.

May I suggest that perhaps some folks have left (or perhaps are simply choosing to lurk and stay above the fray) not because of the political astrology threads themselves but because of the defensiveness and bickering regarding their presence. Just a thought.

Safe? Cozy? Most of the thread titles that have addressed political astrology have reflected their substance - and their political nature has been immediately apparent in the first sentence or so. Why would you expect those threads to be safe and cozy? If you want safe and cozy then why the hell would you read and follow these threads? If you seek offense you will find it.

I reject the implication that all posts in this forum should be sugary sweet safe and cozy. The very nature of spiritual work is that it often is messy, uncomfortable, challenging, confrontational and necessitating self-discipline and sacrifice of personal ambition. There have been instances in this forum where folks have asked for personal advice and received responses that challenged rather than validated their desires. Personally, I choose honesty over safety.

If you have a problem with a poster or a thread then ignore the poster, hide the thread, alert a mod. It is not for you to decide what others post. Or what others respond to. Like every other thread in this forum you are free to take it or to leave it if it does not speak to you.

What you are not free to do is limit the speech of others. And that is exactly what you are attempting to do. Provided content is within the rules set forth for this forum, posters are ***ENTITLED*** to say whatever they wish. Proscribing what speech is acceptable or unacceptable is censorship. If you are offended by what somebody says then it is incumbent on you to either walk away or to suffer offense. Speech is protected - and folks have the ability to avoid speech they find offensive. That is the way free speech works. And DU offers several tools that make it easy to avoid threads and posters one finds offensive. If you don't like the program then change the channel or turn the tv off. Everybody here has that ability. They can protect their own sensibilities.

If memory serves me right, you have posted the same objection in every single political astrology thread posted by ccpup. I note that there have been very few other stated objections to those threads. At this point I have to wonder about your motivations. Is this a matter of principle? Or have you become personally invested in prevailing and getting your way? No matter. I too am tired of these discussions. Reason and tolerance are all too often lost on those who are personally invested in winning or in fighting for what they believe to be principle. Time to change the programming or turn the tv off.

Later.

[Celebration]

43. never meant to limit speech!!

As you know, all I suggested was putting all political predictions and astrology in one thread, so it could be more easily avoided by people who don't like conflict all over the board. There is precedent for this, as GDP was actually split from GD for the same reason. And yes, there was the thread ignore available then.

Personally, I don't mind conflict. If I did, I would avoid these threads. However, a lot of people here do, and I was trying to be sensitive to them.

It was just a suggestion. I am not trying to force anybody to do anything.

[crikkett]

71. .

(deleted, sorry)

[ccpup]

35. thank you

you brilliantly stated what I believe to be so very true, especially for those who populate this particular Forum.

We are responsible for the experience we have when we come here and, when faced with something we may find disagreeable, the answer is not to deny it's existence to everyone else, but to choose not to take part. It comes down to Free Will, Personal Choice and, basically, one's personal appetite at the time. Not everything offered will be to everyone's taste. That's just life on DU.

I really have nothing more to add. You said it so wonderfully and I do so sincerely appreciate your wise input.

[Coyote_Bandit]

42. .

:blush:

Thank you for your kind words. I fear that in attempting to offer a voice of reason that I am only adding fuel to the fire.

I have very much enjoyed following your political astrology threads and watching how they play out. I am a novice astrologer at best and have learned a lot by digging into and following those posts. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into them.

[ccpup]

44. and that's exactly why I keep doin' 'em!

When I was a novice astrologer, I appreciated beyond measure those astrology articles, blogs and commentaries which not only entertained and informed, but also brought astrology out of the abstract and into events which were easy to follow in one's everyday life via the news and everyday events. I wouldn't be able to offer what I do without the generosity and knowledge of those I "grew up on". And perhaps someone reading these threads -- and the inevitable mistakes I'll make -- will learn a bit and feel brave enough to turn around someday and guide someone else who's a newbie.

As it's sometimes difficult to see our own lives objectively, using these two (or perhaps three) candidates who are in the news on a daily basis as models is a perfect opportunity to see Astrology in Action, as it were.

That you (and others) feel you're making progress with understanding astrology is reason enough for me to continue Posting. And I hope if I offer the information as I see it in as balanced, respectful and kind a light as possible, those who choose to take part in the Thread will respond in kind.

(fingers crossed)

[Lucinda]

31. ccpup is discussing the aspects in play on a specific day.

It may or may not bode well for your candidate of choice at any given time, but, for many of us, these detailed discussions are very interesting.

Lumping things into one thread at a time would seem to defeat the purpose of the group, and curb both the in-depth analysis and discussion that posts such as this offer.

Perhaps you would be happier if you just hide thread on any astro topics that you feel need to be ignored? That way, it won't interfere with your browsing and those of us who enjoy this type of in depth astro subject matter can continue to do so...

[ccpup]

34. thank you, wlucind

I don't know if that is the Poster's aim, though. Those that often complain about a GD-P energy being in my Threads are often the ones who introduce it in the first place. I do believe if what I saw in the charts was more optimistic for who I suspect their candidate of choice is, this conversation wouldn't be happening. In fact, I trust they'd be PMing me with thanks and :thumbsup: !

I don't make up the astrology. It is what it is for who it is. I just do my best to read the energy and determine how it may (or may not) manifest in what we see of the candidate's daily lives.

Ugh, I swear I've said that so much the last day or so I should have it made into a stamp or a bumper sticker to save me from having to type it again.

:evilgrin:

Thank your for your Post.

[Matariki]

2. Question/comment about transits

But once that tea-kettle whistles and Neptune moves away from his exact square to her Nodes and Jupiter begins his sextile to her Ascendant/Mercury a few days later (April 9th, I believe), things should right themselves.

Wouldn't a slower moving planet such as Neptune have a stronger, or at least more enduring, influence than inner planet transits?

Also, at least the way I've learned, don't transiting conjunctions, oppositions and squares have a more profound impact than transiting sextiles?

Meaning to say that the Neptune square to the node might not get much relief from the Jupiter sextile. Your statement about Neptune dissolving "something that had appeared solid" definitely seems on target for Clinton's run at this point.

[ccpup]

4. good question

The Neptune will still be in effect, obviously, just not with the same strength you're seeing right now. The Jupiter sextile will introduce a new, more supportive energy to her Ascendant/Mercury which will help to alleviate and, in some respects, move to replace some of that more difficult Neptune energy. A breath of fresh, positive, expansive air, as it were, after the dissolving of Neptune.

If one had a hard Neptune transit which hit exact and then entered it's waning phase, but had no supportive transits eg. a trine or a sextile to help shift the energy afterwards, then that Neptune might be felt throughout the entire transit.

[NMDemDist2]

11. interesting, June 1 was kinda Dr. Dean's date to get stuff settled wasn't it?

Since neither candidate has enough delegates to make it without the supers, it's politicking all the way, and one thing is for sure, the Clinton's don't give up easy.

thanks again for your posts cc, love em or hate, they are food for thought.

[ccpup]

13. thanks AZDemDist6

that June period does seem to be Fated, for better or worse. I do wonder how much of this we, the Public, will see and how much will take place behind closed doors. If politicians are good at one thing, it's putting on their Game Face.

Love what I write or hate it, astrology is never boring.

[stellanoir]

19. Yeah that's when Saturn gets some forward momentum.

Things will make more sense by then.

[ccpup]

20. what are your thoughts, Stella

on the exact opposition of Uranus to Barack's Mars happening the same day as the Mars conjunction to his Sun (that Uranus is also quincunx his SP Pluto, but I didn't mention it)? I think it would make him angry or hyper-energetic with a need to let out that energy or very argumentative or ... I don't know. What are your thoughts based on your experience and your understanding?

[stellanoir]

21. I'm not commenting

based on the fact that * shouldn't have won in '04 and probably didn't.

I'm still irked about that and it's prohibiting me from looking at any of the candidate's charts. I'm glad you are doing it.

Kudos

[lavenderdiva]

26. do you think that they will work out some 'deal' around June 1?

or do you think one will be far enough ahead in the delegates or polls that a leading candidate will emerge? I always read your posts with great fascination... :hi:

[ccpup]

27. I truly don't know

With Uranus in the mix, only a fool would confidently predict an assured outcome. What I will say, though, is that the race as we know it will change -- perhaps dramatically -- as Uranus stations and hits the spots in the candidate's charts as stated above. It will be unexpected, it will be surprising, it will be unpredictable and it will make news, news, news.

But it may be less surprising to us 'cause we, with our ability to predict (somewhat) the astrological weather, kinda foresaw it. :-)

[ccpup]

38. now they're talking about July 1st

which would put Saturn, finished with his retrograde journey and now direct, EXACTLY on Hillary's Midheaven (where he was when she won big on March 4th). But she'll also have Neptune retrograding back to square her Nodes, so it may be a battle to see whose energy wins out: Saturn or Neptune.

Will Saturn's direct pass over her MC reward her, as Saturn often does, for the hard lessons he taught her (lack of funds, ebbing of support, working three times harder to get the votes) during his earlier Feb-Mar retrograde pass? Or will Neptune -- now retrograde himself -- whittle away her support like he's doing now during his Direct journey? Time will tell. But Tr Mars will be traveling over her MC soon thereafter and sextile her Sun while Tr Sun will be trine her Scorpio stellium in the weeks that follow, so one could say it looks relatively rosy.

Barack will have Tr Jupiter retrograding back to sextile his Ascendant for several days after the 1st and then he'll leave to immediately sextile Hillary's Venus for several days. He'll also have Tr Saturn meeting up with his Pluto again (where he was during the Feb 5th contests) followed soon thereafter by Tr Mars. But Tr Venus will be making a gorgeous one day trine to his Ascendant on July 2nd.

Looking at their Secondary Progressed Moons is interesting as well. Barack's will be waxing toward a square with his Neptune (moving to the degree in mid-July) while Hillary's will be in the middle of a trine with her Neptune. Interestingly, as her SP Moon leaves that trine (July 8th, I believe), Tr Mars will be passing over her Midheaven, energizing her "place in the world", as the MC is often referred to.

And don't forget that the Uranus station I've mentioned earlier will still be in effect, in a retrograde phase and conjunct (but not exact) Hillary's Moon while retrograding back to meet Barack's Mars in his second exact opposition (July 29th, I think).

I suspect the race from mid-May and throughout June, July and into August (until he leaves that 22 Pisces degree) will be colored, regardless of other transits or progressions, by this Uranus journey.

In other words, if you got a seat-belt, might as well buckle it now.

[Lucinda]

32. Thanks again for all the great work on these progressions.

I'm curious to see the next few weeks play out.

[ccpup]

36. you and me both!

:evilgrin:

[GardeningGal]

39. Have you looked at their charts during the convention period?

Just curious if you've looked that far ahead. I don't remember seeing you mention it but I could have missed it.

[ccpup]

40. yeah, I have

But I don't want to overwhelm people with information all at once. I figured I'd take it month by month and Primary by Primary before sharing those aspects and Progressions in play during the Convention, the Election and the Inauguration.

:-)

[Lucinda]

45. Understandable. :)

I would love to hear about Edwards around convention time if you ever feel the impulse to look.
:hi:

[ccpup]

46. oh wow!

I was JUST looking at his chart earlier today and had considered offering an OP about it. May do so in a few to several days.

In short, he has a beautiful, brilliant Secondary Progressed Moon (or SP Moon) conjunct SP Jupiter and both conjunct his Natal Sun on Inauguration Day, so although not an "official" SP New Moon, it is a Personal New Moon of sorts for him indicating a WHOLE new chapter of his life beginning.

Add to that this upcoming Uranus station will be one degree from a Yod with his Pluto (still way within orb, in my opinion) and his Saturn/Neptune conjunction (one degree away, so, again, within orb), so to say he's completely out-of-the-picture may not be entirely true.

I'm still formulating my OP and dotting all those pesky "i"s and crossing those inevitable "t"s before I offer anything of substance.

Stay tuned. :evilgrin:

[lavenderdiva]

47. I'm looking forward to reading it!!

thanks again for working so hard on all of this for us!! :loveya:

[Lucinda]

48. Very cool!

I am feeling him firmly in the mix.
Can't wait to see what the charting shows!

[Why Syzygy]

51. Are you sure that isn't Bill's chart? They are both Leo's.

Red-faced (Bill) Clinton Tirade Stuns Superdelegates Behind Closed Doors

Bill Clinton: "I am in favor of the (Colombian) free trade agreement"

[okasha]

52. Surely you must have something to do

that's more useful than trolling ccpup's threads.

[PinkTiger]

53. Bravo.

What you said. LOL. I am convinced they are paid posters. I have no idea why they are even here, because they have never ever commented on anything dealing with astrology, healing, etc., except to distract.
Sad.

[Celebration]

55. Leo?

Pointing out that Bill is a Leo seems quite on topic.

But I have to admit your idea that there are paid posters in this thread in ASAH gave me a good laugh.

[davsand]

57. Well, I've been here a while and I recognize Votes.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but she's one of the long term folks. In fact, I'm thinking she pre-dates most of the folks posting in here these days.


Laura

[I Have A Dream]

60. I've stayed out of this mess up to this point, but that is not true.

I can also guarantee you that they are not paid posters.

They have certainly commented many, many times on the subjects that you mention, and it was not to distract.

[Celebration]

54. Ccup's threads?

Excuse me, but a person starting a thread doesn't "own" them. Anyone is free to post, even if it happens to be a person who disagrees.........................

[Grateful for Hope]

56. Correct. n/t

[okasha]

58. The second half of the tag team shows up.

You were expected.

There's a difference between posting and trolling. You two are trolling.

[LaurenG]

64. Why are YOU accusing long term posters here of being trolls?

I have rarely if ever seen you add to the prayer thread or those like it.

Those of us who support another candidate have been contributing for years too. Most of us do not talk to each other like this. The fact that this has turned into a hate fest doesn't surprise me but I am very disappointed.

[okasha]

67. Sorry, but constantly harrassing another poster is trolling.

A better question would be why, in a forum dedicated to astrology and other spiritual arts and practices, that harrassment is excused.

[LaurenG]

68. There are differences between what you and I think trolling are

my normal choice is to stay out of these but I will jump in to voice my opinion when it gets too rough.

Honestly, this really isn't the place for ill will. If we can all just take a step back and just let it go it might work out better.

Peace

[Why Syzygy]

69. I still want to know

how Bill's chart compares to Obama's. That is on Topic.

OP mentions stuttering and causing a backlash and it sure looks like Bill fits that description perfectly.

That isn't trolling. I don't expect an answer, though, because these threads are OBVIOUSLY supposed to be JUST for HilLIARy.

Not.Gonna.Happen.

[Name removed]

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[VeraAgnes]

61. This is a specialty group for like minds...

that's why it was branched away from the general themes as evidence of one needing to be a DU Donor to post along with getting approval to form the Forum Group. If you don't like-it....don't visit. Intrusive bully tactics are for intentional disruptor's. Respect and common decency for DU peers would be a welcome tone.

[Name removed]

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[VeraAgnes]

65. I love this Forum....

I don't disrupt yet I will defend our right for respect. So, I'll stay and visit often.O8)

[Celebration]

66. ..................

[Grateful for Hope]

63. Votes has been a valued member of this group for years now

n/t

[Lucinda]

70. Your assessment of April is looking pretty spot on so far!

:toast:

[okasha]

72. Spot on again, ccpup.

Good work.

[VeraAgnes]

73. So sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!

ccpup can map the life path with the stars like an EKG traces the electrical activity of a beating heart.

[ccpup]

74. LOL

I wouldn't go that far, but I do appreciate the compliments and support. Thank you so very much.

[PinkTiger]

75. Good job, CCpup.

I'm in awe.

[Lucinda]

76. Nicely done!

Yet Again. :hi:

[durrrty libby]

77. Hi ccpup. I along with hundreds of others are big fans of yours

as evidenced by the enormous number of views this thread has.

Besides looking forward to your next installment, I was wondering if you reviewed
your April predictions and what your thoughts were on your 4/1 OP

Thanks so much

I love reading your stuff

[ccpup]

78. Thank you

My next "installment", as you call it, is already up (link below)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x68707

and what Obama's currently going through was something I didn't catch in this particular Thread here although I touch on it in the comments in the newer Thread linked above: Tr Mars opposite his Saturn in the guise of Rev Wright and his latest public appearances.

It's interesting as this evidently nasty Mars transit Obama's Saturn precedes the Uranus opp his Mars. Should be interesting viewing.

Thank you again for your interest and continued support.