(Official?) Democratic Presidential Candidate Predictions Thread

[Matariki]

There was a suggestion to consolidate all the Democratic Presidential Candidate predictions into one thread.

I think that's great idea. First, because it will be a handy reference in the future for looking back at the accuracy of predictions if they're all in one place. And second, it will make it a little easier for those who come here for a break from the politics on this board.

I think one of the biggest challenges in doing divination and making psychic predictions is removing our own hopes and desires from the process. Another challenge is the desire to please one's audience.

Personally, I think it would be great if we could keep the conversation to the predictions themselves - and not our political preferences (there are other forums better suited for discussing those preferences). Perhaps discussing the methodology one uses to arrive at those predictions. Or, if posting other people's predictions maybe post what you know about that person's credentials, how accurate they've been in the past, etc.

The thing about predictions is that they aren't true or false until their time comes - so arguing about whether they are right or wrong before that time doesn't really make much sense.

Finally, I hope this post doesn't offend, it's not meant in that spirit. I personally haven't minded any of the political posts here, but it really saddens me to see people bickering in this usually peaceful forum.

~respect

[Grateful for Hope]

1. Thank you, kineta. n/t

[Celebration]

2. Has the future already happened?

Is it happening now?

There is a pretty big distinction between the remote viewers that say they can see the here and now and those that see events in the future. Is the future a probability set, or is it determined?

I am not a remote viewer and don't have an informed opinion on this.

Still, I was talking about remote viewers with my husband, and of course he kept claiming that if they actually could do that they would all be at the casinos winning money. My response was that a lot of them DO go to the casinos and many of them are quite wealthy.

But the way I understand it, they don't win every time. They expect to lose a whole lot of the time, but as long as they can beat the odds, they can win money overall. So, yes, remote viewing is successful in figuring out the spin of the wheel, etc., but it just beats the averages enough to make someone overall win money. On the individual bets they lose a lot of the time.

And from what I hear, the further the prediction is into the future, the less likely it is to be correct. Since the remote viewers at the craps table are satisfied to just barely beat the odds, that seems to say quite a bit about the predictions that are months or years away.

So, when I was reading up on that psychic of the year winner, who was quite successful in finding a live person buried under the ground, it turns out that she was correct in only two of five predictions on Senate races in 2006.

Was it because she is not psychic? Is it because the future is a probability set? Did she just make a mistake?

There is a little bit of a danger in putting too much faith in a psychic prediction. Probably the worst effect is to make people a little defeatist, as in "well, if this is already determined, why should I even try to make things better, etc.?"

Then, there is the whole Sylvia Brown thing, where she just seems to lose her gift or something strange happened to her.

And, finally, are we even meant to know the future?

I don't have the answers. I am just posing these questions. I actually think it is fun and interesting to post psychic visions/astrology about candidates. I just wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in it. There are just way too many variables. A numerology prediction might clash with a psychic prediction which might clash with the astrology, etc. I think we can get a lot of insight from exercises like this, but I am not sure that picking a winner will turn out to be correct more than a certain percentage of the time.

[Matariki]

3. Interesting questions to ponder. But, speaking of time & completely off topic -

google just announced a new app for gmail that allows you to send mail retroactively into the past:

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/customtime/index.html

[crikkett]

4. I'm sure this is an April Fools' joke.

The google time thing that is.

The time stamp on an email message is set by the mail client, and that is based on the clock on the computer of the person sending the message. Spammers use the trick to make wierd timestamps.

[Matariki]

7. ya' think?

;-)

[Celebration]

9. Not fair, they date it March 31!!!!

Sorry, that is just not kosher--

Oh, maybe that is part of the back dating thing............

Time has always fascinated me. The first Christopher Reeve Superman movie had a scene where he turned back time to save the life of Lois Lane. It was a big "huh" in the movie because supposedly he was going to get punished for that. He did it anyway and there were no consequences in the movie.

I never remember movie plots and I still remember that. Time, time, time.

[Celebration]

5. my gosh that is so SNEAKY

And it appears in people's email boxes at the appropriate back time? Oh, my.

You forgot my birthday. No I didn't. Yes you did. What do you mean, you didn't get my email (hurriedly composes email to her). No, I never got it. I wondered why you didn't respond. I wanted to take you out to dinner and my feelings were hurt because you didn't respond. (Hurriedly sends email.) Well, I never got it. I wonder what happened. I promise I sent it. Well, I always check my emails. Maybe this one just slipped up on you. Tell you what, I'm going to check my out box. Why don't you check your in box? Hold on, I can tell you exactly when I sent it so you can check your inbox for that time. Well, okay.................

[ccpup]

6. great dialogue!

if you're not a playwright or haven't at least dabbled in it, you should. I could HEAR the conversation happen and that's not an easy thing to achieve. :-)

[Celebration]

8. Heh heh

This talent comes from having raised three children, all of whom at various times have tried to pull the wool over my eyes. Children are great teachers. Ha!

Thanks for the compliment

:grouphug:

[ccpup]

10. I read plays on a daily basis sometimes

and have my first play opening -- as actor and playwright -- on the West End in London in (fingers crossed) 2009, so I know a thing or two about dialogue ... both good and bad. If you haven't considered taking a stab at it, you may want to look into it. If that's what your heart would desire, of course.

And I got a ton of compliments to give. Regardless of where I stand with someone when it comes to other issues or topics, there's always something kind to say and something to offer a :hug: about

:-)

[Celebration]

11. Congratulations!!

Good luck with that.

I am no playwright, believe me. My passion is distance energy treatments! I am hoping that I don't need to take video production to take this any further. I make up for my lack of visualization skills by using still photos and diagrams that I make, and do distance muscle testing.

I'm sure astrology knowledge helps you pursue your acting and writing. It seems that there are a number of writers in here.

[ccpup]

12. distance energy treatments?

sounds interesting. And I know nothing about it. If you have the time or inclination, I'd love to hear (or read) a little more.

[Celebration]

13. well, you can google radionics

Basically I use a computer program that uses radionics principles to clear energetic blockages in the auric fields. Although radionics can be used for most anything.

Basically, a computer program of a radionics machine is a "symbolic" radionics machine. It turns out it doesn't really matter if you have the real thing, or a symbolic version. So the symbolic versions (computer programs) can run anywhere between ten bucks and fifteen thousand dollars. The latter have large databases and do some sort of automatic "testing". An example might be something like a QXCI, or Biomeridian, or Life Systems. These are all expensive. But you can get cheap versions where you have your own database, and you do distance muscle testing or using a pendulum to see what needs to be cleared rather than have an automatic program.

I never would have realized that this could actually work, but it seemed to on me when the NAET practitioner used a Biomeridian machine. Then I read a little book-- "Amazing and Wonderful Mind Machines you can Build". It is out of print now. It gave a whole chapter on traditional radionics and how to build a machine. I couldn't follow it, really. This book was written by someone named Stine, who was a physicist and liked to fool around with these things. Then he had a whole section on symbolic machines and it all fell into place. I didn't need to build a machine. I could use a symbolic version and it would work, as long as it made sense to me. And it did. He also wrote a lot of books about rocketry in the 50s, so that kids playing with rockets would do it safely.

If you are in England with your play you might check out some people there. It is really the British that kept radionics alive. There was a dark period where MDs here were prosecuted if they tried to use it.

I do think I read somewhere that the FDA has a problem with QXCI. I don't know. I don't see why, unless people are making actual claims. These things work well, though. It's strange, but they really work well. Sometimes it really IS energetic blockages causing a problem. I've even heard radio interviews for people doing distance work with Life Systems. They have to call it "prayer" though. It isn't technically prayer, but it keeps them okay with the FDA.

There is so much of this going on and only about 2% of the people in the USA know anything about it. There is a whole subculture out there. I am not part of it, but I just do my own thing. It is totally fun, and I like to experiment with it and see what works best. Man, I spend a lot of time making diagrams, testing things. Sometimes I spend a lot of time on something and end up pitching it out! I'm probably slightly obsessed. I have to make sure I have enough other interests that I have something to actually talk about with people, besides radionics.

This is future science for sure. For sure, there are unknown scientific principles at play here. IMHO. But I can't prove it. And, for sure, there are a *few* scientists that know it.

[Celebration]

14. Fourth Chakra

Wow, so THIS is how fourth chakra problems play out in campaigns--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5351802

Bill and Hillary need some r and r and some good energetic work. Otherwise there is at least the potential to self destruct. Not to mention, Bill needs it for his actual heart.

[ccpup]

15. how richly, hilariously ironic

that the one who complains the most about Posters introducing partisan candidate information in ASAH is now suddenly okay with actually offering a link to information one could easily consider anti-Clinton.

Of course you're free to do as you like and offer what you find of interest. But I'll remember this stunning, surprising hypocrisy the next time you insert yourself into a conversation to scold and drag someone off to the woodshed for being too "partisan" in ASAH.

[Why Syzygy]

16. Mister, YOU have set the new bar in ASAH.

It is obvious you are never going to get that your posts are and have been partisan.
You just can't see yourself.

[VeraAgnes]

27. I completely disagree with your assessment....

because I am objective verse some who are shall we say, they could easily fall into the category of obtuse.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obtuse

[Celebration]

17. hmmmm

Well, that is what this thread is supposed to be for I thought--partisan posts about predictions. People can easily avoid one long, long thread. My intent was not to spam the board with partisan threads. And I wouldn't have posted this at all if everyone here had agreed to no partisan political predictions.

Actually this is good energetic information. Bill and Hillary both have fourth chakra problesm. Her campaign would be much more successful if these were addressed. I am not predicting who would win. This is just a prediction that if they don't get these fourth chakra problems addressed in some way, then incidents like these will continue to occur.

Also, I am concerned about Bill's heart. I have seen too many incidents where people end up having heart attacks when this happens. It is symptomatic of heart problems. Honestly (and this is true!!) I am really, really concerned about him. I don't think he can control himself with out some outside energetic help.

[stellanoir]

18. I had similar concerns when I just read this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/bills-tirade-in-private-_n_94605.html

I'd guess the 4th chakra issues are related to her financial woes which the corporate media are scarcely addressing at all.

Weird.

[Celebration]

19. I think they have had these for awhile--it is the stress that magnifies

I would encourage everyone here to do yoga, or something, like the exercises in the Donna Eden book Energetic Medicne to keep chakras in balance. Tai chi will do it. too. It is great preventive medicine, and a decent way to come out of a slump.

Because, I was completely unaware of all these things. Once I started working with it the pieces just came together. I thought chakras were pretty flaky new age concepts but they are related to real diseases, and they can be physical. It will hit wherever there is a weakness.

Any kind of stress (like a campaign) can greatly aggravate the problem. If there are money woes, or ANY woes, then just yikes, it will really take a toll. But Clinton had to actually apologize for his behaviour. Think about how many people have to work under people with energetic issues, and you can see the enormity of this issue for the whole population.

When I checked, I think I remember that McCain had more problems than the Clintons. He hasn't been under much stress lately so we probably haven't seen the effects of that.

[saracat]

26. I agree ccpup!

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. I think that the Republicans are poisoning the well.

I hear that when the Romans couldn't hold a town or village, they'd poison the water supply and salt the fields as they retreated, just to fuck things up.

If the repubs leave enough damage, if there's a Democratic President they might be able to get the nation to do what Californians did in response to the phony, Enron-designed power blackout scheme: force a recall election and install a Republican. In our case, Arnold. Be afraid, be very afraid of President Arnold. Or simply cause enough chaos that the now well-understood disaster capitalists can continue to profit (both financially and socially). See: Economy, Iraq, damage to the military, etc. Arrange it so that government service agencies such as FEMA are perceived as incompetent, and people will beg for it to be privatized, which is what the corporatists were and are hoping for all along.

These are the people who stole at least one election, lied us into giving them record oil/corporate profits, supposedly had 10,000 republicans vote for Kucinich's democratic rival just to try to knock him out of the race and thus his government office (much less out of the debates and election), etc.

=No dirty trick is too much for them=.

Bush has recently announced that a Republican will win the presidency, if I remember correctly. Just as he announced, sitting next to his brother Jeb, that they'd win in Florida. There's video of the latter in Fahrenheit 9/11.

The fix is in, but may be dislodged if we're vigilant. Expect them to exploit every single weak spot in their search for ultimate power. This orchestrated selfishness should be quite obvious now, to anyone.

Always beware of the ones offering their assistance after a disaster of their own making and design. They are glass makers who throw stones and leave their business cards. I've been saying this since at least 2003.

"Republican Karl Rove and other commentators had speculated about a permanent political realignment in favor of the GOP..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOP

What do we do about a powerful group of people who are determined to dominate the rest of us, and have the resources to do so?

[Celebration]

21. internet, internet, internet?

The internet is the only way to get the information out there. The papers are dying and can't afford investigative journalism. And look at who owns the television stations.

However, "they" are also practically forcing us to be overdrugged (same TV stations). Have you ever noticed how zombie like people seem? It's weird.

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. Remember what happened to Dan Rather, to jam a legitimate anti-Bush story.

Remember the anthrax letters. Remember record Exxon profits. Remember Enron as being a major Bush contributor.

The Ascension may be upon us, but with the majority of people being fear-based and some legitimately evil, remember that their energy and intent are magnified as well. Heaven upon Earth means the ability to co-create, and the majority rules.

How will we avert their negative intent, when they are all the more fully empowered?

We are nowhere near finished if we want a =positive= Heaven upon Earth experience. Heaven upon Earth is a creative state, not a finish line. Please continue manifesting the maximum amount of light that you are able to manifest. Pray for God's will upon Earth, not our own. Bring your joy, to overwhelm the darkness. The darkness isn't finished until it =absolutely= cannot find purchase on Earth.

[crikkett]

23. Isn't that the dream you had the other day?

Or am I getting people mixed up.

I secretly think that the GOP runs politico.com But it's only a hunch, since the first I heard about that site was from the mouth of Karl Rove or George W or oneof that gang behind a podium, and right after the Gannon-by-Gosch non-scandal that nobody's talking about.

:eyes:

Oh, look at me today. I'm becoming the curmudgeon I despise! with my 'clever' references to old stories and inside jokes. That's exactly what I hate when I don't know a back story.

[crikkett]

24. HOT OFF THE PRESSES - crossposting a new prediction from the Latest Page

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3095284

:bounce:

[Celebration]

25. oh man

That's something! I'm slightly concerned about him, though. He needs to do some energetic things to stay in balance.---

I like that vision. :o