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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:12 AM
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When I started paying more attention to astrology
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 02:21 AM by rumpel
trying to understand it more, I was puzzled by various readings.
They talked about some mild trauma in early childhood. Well, I thought, I do not remember any "childhood family problems", mine was very smooth and calm, or so I thought. Cassie (miss her) said; "There are a lot of karmic issues between my mother and me."

It took me half a century to understand what Saturn in my chart was teaching me...

Saturn in the 4th House: Peltier says: With this placement you may have the feeling that duties and obligations in your early childhood conflicted with your innermost emotional needs. Consequently, you felt frustrated and misunderstood. I thought, Huh?
Hand says: Your parents may seem too strict, too conservative and cautious, or they may impose too much responsibility on you. Well, yeah, but many parents were like that.

Mars Opposition Saturn: Hand: You often have the feeling that persons and circumstances are working against you and frustrating what you want to do. As a result you learn to hold in your emotions, especially anger. But eventually your anger builds up so far that you can no longer keep it in, and it spills over as sarcasm and a generally bitter and negative attitude toward anything that upsets you. The smashing, stomping Rumpelstiltzchen Peltier: Once you get over the idea of your own unworthiness, you can go far. hmmmm

Saturn Opposition Midheaven: Hand: This can be a difficult placement, indicating that you feel so lonely and so different from others that it is hard to relate to them. You need a great deal of emotional support from your family. Your mother, especially, may demand a great deal and expect you to live up to very high standards, without giving you very much emotional reinforcement. :freak:

Saturn Square Ascendant: Peltier: It would seem that there was little warmth between you and your parents, and you were expected to perform your duties without question. kind of...

Now that my mother had a major medical emergency last year and trying to get back on her feet, literally and figuratively, I discovered that all these years I was so wrong in my perception about my mother.

However, I believe it was a general societal norm in many cultures to be authoritarian and abusive verbally or otherwise. Added to that, you are taught to respect your elders, which in and of itself is still a respectable thing to me. While I have lost much of the respect I had, while witnessing the raw and prominent emotional display of all negative traits, and trying to help her realize it, I now think that this is part of the whole micro and macrocosm of our collective history, and perhaps this IS the big change that is occurring and manifesting everywhere.

Odd thing is that others observed the problem and used the term "emotional blackmail", or my daughter telling me, "why are you such a push over and let yourself be mistreated and abused by her." I still did not see it quite that way. I thought it was the trauma, it was the medication etc. But as I watched the other residents at the nursing home, yes, my mother has some serious underlying emotional problem which needs clearing. But frankly by now I accept her just as it is. Many things I tried were futile.

Strangely in all of this, I also know now why I chose my ex. I remember, my daughter at 3 years old suddenly told my ex; "Papa, you go to bench!" She had just started Montessori pre-school. So, she is the new generation in the family, who may be able to cut this chain of authoritarian rule - or she may re-invent it: we call Elliocracy. ;)

I now see it clearly, but am stuck. I am the caregiver and I can barely do anything else much less leave the house for a few minutes without causing anxiety attacks for her. Like an obsession she has, she sometimes calls every few minutes - just because. At the nursing home they told her not to play with the button... Since last May, I can count the nights that I really slept a full night. It is as if I had another newborn to tend to. It has been three months since she's been home, at some point this will become unsustainable unless there is an effort on the patient's part. She was taught and has an unhealthy interpretation of what love is, but many of us may one day realize they, too, like me, were wrong.

One last Saturn teaching...as I exploded yesterday in frustration of putting my project and life on hold, when this entire family unit depends on it's success, and my birthday around the corner - not getting any younger:

Jupiter Square Saturn: Hand: This aspect often signifies that you are mentally restless and find it difficult to accept the world as it is. Very often you may feel that circumstances or persons limit you unnecessarily, and you work very hard to get around any limitations imposed by others.

Peltier: The square from Jupiter to Saturn indicates problems in self-awareness. The fact is, you are trying to avoid your responsibilities to yourself and to those persons who depend on you. You have little hope for success, but this is just lazy self-indulgence and is inexcusable.

You may have to learn the hard way that accomplishment comes from a lot of hardship and self-denial. There is no easy road to victory for you. Give yourself the opportunity to reach your goals.

Faith is your greatest ally when nothing else seems to work for you. It can sustain you through your most difficult periods and comfort you when you reach your goals with assurance that you have done your job well.


and so it is: I trust Universe (these days) even when I have my occasional Rumpel moment.

Heed the cosmic roadsigns.

and Good Zzzzzzzzzzzzz - manifest: lifting mom out and into bed once not three times tonight - pretty please.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:03 AM
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1. rumpel,
this sentence here I can totally relate to and am living myself: But frankly by now I accept her just as it is.

That's the only way.

Take care of yourself, my friend. :hug:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:51 PM
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8. thank you, Delphinus
as they say, first comes denial...

:hug:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:52 AM
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2. I get the sense that some of the aspects you listed
were natal and some, those at the end perhaps?, were transits. Is this correct? If so, there may be an indication with your transits when the present sense of being overwhelmed and frustrated will begin to lift. You might also consider glancing at your Mother's chart to see if Uranus is going to give her one of those "a-ha!" moments which might make things easier for you.

In any case, rumpel, -- and for what it's worth -- I'm sending you some light and peace. I cared for my partner before he died (way back when I was 22) and, although not as complicated as your situation is, it was certainly no walk in the park.

Take care.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:54 PM
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9. these are all natal
it's embedded...

At 22? What an ordeal, must have been terrifying.

thank you for your light.

:hug:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:52 AM
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3. I'm so sorry that you're going through this, rumpel.
:(

As you know, you're always in my thoughts. I wish that I could "fix" all of this for you.

I hope that you were able to get a good night sleep last night.

:hug:

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:57 PM
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10. and I am grateful
Yes, amazingly, she did not call me until a little before 5am, and that was the only time until I actually woke her up to eat breakfast.

:)

:hug:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:59 AM
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4. Rumpel
I admire how you are coping with this very difficult situation. I also hope (and am sending some light to you) that you will be able to have some "Good Zzzzzzzzzzzzz" tonight and in the future.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:02 PM
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11. thanks
we just have to, and I know there is a solution to all this. I only have to find what makes sense and is truly for the benefit of all involved.

I did get my Zzzz's last night. :)

:hug:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:30 AM
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5. Hope you can get some peace and rest, Rumpel.
It seems I read another Aries post about a fire flare up just this week. So, you may be onto something there. Stella will be around I'm sure. :hug:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:07 PM
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12. Aries flare-ups diminish with age and experience I think
:)

striving for balance is perhaps one of our sun sign's main teachings.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:00 AM
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6. Oh
(((((((((((((((((((((((((rumps & her mum))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Hope you get some R & R very soon.

Why do I keep feeling as though there is some supplemental support available to you of which you are not yet aware?

As a fellow Virgo rising I know all too well how we tend to play stoic and not ask for help.

Consider asking around.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 PM
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13. yes, I feel that, too
have to find it though.
I am gathering information on home help, medicare, (which she now officially has - one step forward) may pick up "intermittent help", I think. It is like a couple of hours a week, for a few months or so, but I guess it is better than nothing.

It would be interesting to see the chart on medicare. lol I think it is one of the things which will disappear.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:14 AM
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7. Thank you, Rumpel.
For loving your mother, I thank you.

I hope the help and rest you need comes to you effortlessly and in peace.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:39 PM
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14. thank you Dora
:hug:
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:43 PM
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15. rumpel, yes, seems that we don't always see the conflict til it tries
our patience beyond what we can tolerate. Trying to understand the whispers before the knock on the head, those AHA moments...priceless, I think we can all relate. You bet it's a collective thing too.

I never really had the respect I should've had for astrology. It's those silly canned ham messages in the newspapers and magazines that give it such a bad rap. The tailor made ones are incredibly accurate.
I get that now.
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