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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 04:35 PM
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I am a newcomer to this group, but I must be here for my sanity. And now I am convinced of it. The post I read this morning from Digit was very similar to the post I myself was getting ready to send last night but got delayed. This is bizarre.

I need some help, direction, advice, support or whatever you can give me! I apologize in advance if this is not the correct way to use this forum, and for the length of this post, but I have waiting a long time to say my say in front of a receptive audience. Please feel free to direct me to a more appropriate setting. I just have to get some of this off my chest.

I have no psychic abilities that I know of. I recently had my astrological chart drawn up as a way to get some answers for what was happening to me. I am a Pisces, Virgo rising. Actually a triple Pisces with sun, moon, mercury in Pisces. I am not certain what any of this means. For my job I was scientifically trained but I do need to use some intuition.

The following points are things that I just know, but cannot really tell you how I know it.
If any one is interested I can tell you later how it comes about. I may of course be wrong, misguided, or insane! But I feel somewhat haunted with it all and wish it would go away. Feel free to give me any feedback or comments. I have been very distressed for the past 4 years since * took office, in a deep emotional way, in addition to the rational objections. When he was running for election, I assumed that no one would take him seriously, it was a joke. But when he took power, I went on melt-down emotionally, not rational and quite excessive even for me. I developed an extreme strong disgust and unbridled hatred. I could not tolerate him being on the TV or mentioned in my presence. The expression “seeing red” became very real for me when his name was mentioned. I even lost some long time friends over the issue. I have always been interested in politics and been through Viet Nam, LBJ, and Nixon etc so I am not naive to politics. But this was very different. Basically something going on a level I had never experienced before. I am not sure I can even articulate the feeling except that it was a very bad scary foreboding one, with death and loss connected to it. I was/am intensely angry. At the time of his 2000 “election” I was reading the RFK biography and came to the depiction of the Cuban Missile Crisis where JFK is pressured by administration hawks to escalate things to point of war. Everyone around JFK is clamoring for Armageddon type scenarios. JFK steps back and overrules everyone and says no, we cannot do this. At that point I got a very strong chill and knew that * would not be able to handle this kind of situation and that he would cave into war hawks, and he would place us into harm’s way. I also knew that * would drain the US Treasury and place the country at financial risk. Of course in 2000 these were ridiculous feelings since we were experiencing unprecedented peace and prosperity. I discussed this with my husband and brother at the time and they both dismissed my fears. I also firmly believe that in 2000 and 2004 the elections were fraudulent. That * would use any means, even armed force to take the white house. And when I say *, I do not mean just him, but the group that he represents.

I believe that * is actively drinking, is suffering from some disorder which is causing neurological problems, and experiences psychotic thoughts. He is a personality disorder, narcissistic and sociopathic. The stress of office has caused him to decompensate into psychosis. He operates at a preteen level and something happened to him as a child which caused him to be stuck at this age. I think the thing on his back during the debates was a bulletproof vest, he fears for his life. But he also derives a strange ego boost from this fear. His wife was very alarmed when he took office, she more than anyone knows his limitations but something has happened to her now I am not sure what. Bush Sr had Graves Disease when he started the Gulf War and his illness played a part in it. I believe that he set up Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War, that is led Saddam to believe it was OK to invade Kuwait. Then Bush Sr used it as a pretext to fight the gulf war. I am not sure why he did this.

The other strange “knowing” happened during the Clinton years. At first I did not like Clinton but came to have a love for him and profound respect and admiration. He is a remarkable man. Brilliant, talented, and very competent, but with some personal failings such as sexual addiction and vanity. However he is able to compartmentalize his pathology and function in a very competent way, totally unlike *.

In the early Clinton years I was distressed at the unreasonable and bogus attacks on him by the left, which were a bald face way to unseat him as president. As the assault continued for years it took a toll on Clinton and at the time I kept telling my husband that something was happening internationally that we were missing because of the focus on Clinton “scandals” and it was bad and we would pay for all this focusing on a blue dress. It was strong and recurring. My husband at the time dismissed me, but he is beginning to listen to what I have to say with more respect.

Currently in terms of the Democratic Party they have no power whatsoever. (very sorry to say this, do not flame me. I am already in pain!) They are been the victims of such severe character assassination that they are now impotent; they also are a decent lot and simply do not know how to fight the group of sociopaths now in power. To fight the repugs successfully they will have to put the country at risk (like the repugs do) and this is not acceptable to them. The biggest and only threat to * is from his own party, inner circle and for some reason I keep thinking about about the CIA as his other big threat. I recently read that the CIA leaked damaging info pre-election, but I believe there is more. I cannot find any rational info about the more.

This is some of the stuff in my head, but this is enough for now. Oh I have this little weird lady in my head, she is tiny, about 3 or 4 inches high. Dressed like Mary (blessed virgin), white and blue dress. Her hands outstretched. Pops up. Just stands there, nothing else. She is good. And the only other thing that is working for me to get some peace of mind and serenity is protective meditations I have just learned. I am drawn recently to books on this topic.
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seg4527 Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:00 PM
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1. nice post
i enjoyed reading it.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:03 PM
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4. thank you
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:17 PM
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2. Your post is very recognizable to me, cassie,
maybe because we are both Pisces....:evilgrin:

I can simply concur with most of what you have experienced in the past 4 years, and what you have deduced, and also - especially, perhaps - with this:

My husband at the time dismissed me, but he is beginning to listen to what I have to say with more respect


All I can say is welcome to DU and to this DU Group, hope you like it here as much as we do, and keep the faith somehow, especially by taking good care of yourself and your loved ones, trying to maintain some balance and some peace of mind.
Even though I share much of your sense of horror, somewhere deep underneath I have a very strong sense of all of this leading to something much, much better.

:hug: :hug: :hug:

:hi:

DemEx
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:07 PM
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5. I am not alone then?
Yes, husband no longer dismissing me so much.
Thanks for the hugs. What is your sense of what it
is all leading to? I am stuck here in the present and
can not get beyond that. I did have a hope that Kerry would
win, but knew that if he did, it would be awful for him.
This is better in a strange way. Steering into the skid
instead of fighting it.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:22 PM
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11. I sense something in the light of the discussions
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 06:36 PM by DemExpat
held mentioned below in post 6 of Michael Sharp's ideas, although I do not know or sense that all that he portrays will literally some to pass, his work and words give a lot of meaning/connection/enlightenment to experiences and ideas that I have had all of my life...from my earliest memories...

Check it out.


Also, a good book is Dr. Wayne Dyers book on Real Magic...along with his other books.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0061091502/qid=1101078911/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/103-7377436-1954258?v=glance&s=books

Stuart Wilde is also another favorite author of mine on possible ascension of the earth, enlightenment of the world.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1561701653/ref=dp_item-information_0/103-7377436-1954258?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

DemEx
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:25 PM
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12. thank you, will get all of them.
I remember Dyer from years ago.
On the sharp material, what is the best way
to proceed with all of it. Start at the beginning,
or jump in where all of you are?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:35 PM
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13. I would get a copy of his book "The Book of LIfe"
and his new book soon to be published is "Dossier of the Ascension".

Available through his website or on Amazon.

I also would look at the series of studies/discussions of the Book of Life that we held here in The Meeting Room, I think they are linked to the discussion here on the threads of DOA and Ascension....

Ask me if you cannot find them.

You are also most welcome to jump in on any discussion - which are now at a kind of a lull....I think we are all getting used to the new DU Group format, getting over the election, readying for holidays, etc. etc. and not really focussed enough on reading and discussion of the Dossier book, but hopefully this will be rekindled very soon.

:hi:

DemEx
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:39 PM
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17. Wilde: which one of his books do you suggest to start with?
You gave me a link to the quickening...
he has many others.....
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:03 PM
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18. Book of Life should be the first...
Cassiepriam if you are asking about Michael's books!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:58 AM
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21. which of the Wilde books?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:21 AM
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22. I just found the title of Wilde's book most similar to Michael's BOL....
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 07:25 AM by DemExpat
which is not listed on Amazon, for some strange reason...

"Whispering Winds of Change: Perceptions of a New World"
published in 1993 by Nacson and Sons, Sidney, Australia

On the back cover:
"Stuart Wilde challenges us to stand outside the usual paradigms of consciousness as "fringe dwellers". He asks us to observe the dying throes of what he calls the "world ego" - the embodiment of the manipulative and dominating force of the status quo.

With his characteristic candor and wit, he plots a fascinating comparison between the overall global destiny and an individual's personal, sacred, inner journey. Wilde believes through quieting the ego and creating a rotation out of the three-dimensional world of external reality to the fourth dimension of the inner being, we can offer serenity and healing to ourselves, and the rest of the world.

Like his other books, this work is full of compelling ideas, unusual perceptions, and esoteric concepts for individuals who want to progress inwardly, while making a success of their lives in the external world."


But I have read several of his other books, they are good, too.
What I love about Stuart's and Michael's books is the no-nonsense, matter-of-fact approach to "spirituality".... :kick:

:hi:

DemEx


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Michael Sharp Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:15 AM
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23. is it my book
you can't find on Amazon

here is the link

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0973537906/
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:49 AM
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26. No, I had found yours, could not find the Wilde book at first...
:hi:

DemEx
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:48 AM
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25. I found Stuart Wilde's book on Amazon
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:34 PM
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27. Yeah, I know what you mean, re "better in a strange way."
I resisted it with all my strength up till the election. But now that it's played out the way it did...well, we'll see, won't we. And I always knew that Kerry would have had an awful time. I just hoped that he would be able to hold the fort while the real left regrouped. Of course, that was even in a best-case scenario (assuming we had no further attacks, didn't descend into an economic depression; I held out no real hope that he'd pull us out of Iraq in any case, and that would ultimately come to bite him and us on the ass, I felt, though I shoved the thought aside).

Also agree that they will ultimately be their own worst enemy. They're powerful, but they're not stable. They hold the reins now; it's all on them, the blood, the responsibility, all of it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:34 PM
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3. Pisces here too.
Funny I feel and felt the same about Bush as you do. I also have the same feelings toward Arnold. Thanks for posting. You are not alone.
:hug:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:08 PM
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8. YES
Arnold too gave me the same feeling. Exactly.
I was distraught. I am disgusted with his wife as
well.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:22 PM
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10. Funny I never did like Maria
from the first time she appeared on the early show on CBS oh years ago. She struck me as thinking she was entitled because she was a Kennedy. Oh and she was supposed to be a journalist, but she was sooo dumb. Of course they like em like that these days. No wonder she became a success.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:07 PM
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6. may i recommend the Michael Sharp discussions and the threads
on ascension http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=111&topic_id=37846&mesg_id=37846

be not afraid, there is a method at work below the surface of war and disillusionment

trust your heart and let your light shine through.

try to let go of the hatred for *, recognize him as the flawed being he is but search for forgiveness

:hug:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:08 PM
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7. Pisces... I too came to DU after 2000 trying to find some solace
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 06:08 PM by tlcandie
and kindredship because I was truly disturbed in a way that was unexplainable to those around me. I even went on anti-depressants for a while from the anxiety and inability to express what was inside.

I'm an empath, as most Pisceans are, and as such I've been told that I must learn not to take others pain/problems and/or issues upon myself. To find a way to objectively help.

As all here have stated, you are not alone and that in and of itself is a HUGE help to know!

I know what has helped me more than anything and that is Michael Sharp's book/web page and the book of life forums/study group here which has now moved on to Dossier of Ascension study group (DoA thread). His website is www.michaelsharp.org.

Also, if you look at the thread I started here in DU Groups about the India prison reform there is an awesome meditation within that post that they are teaching prisoners which is non-relgious related, but open for everyone n/m their beliefs. Not sure if this might be of some help.

At this time, point in history Spirit-wise there is a lot happening and it will only keep changing. Plugging-in and keeping tuned to happenings energy-wise, etc. will help you to maintain your sanity. Otherwise, it will appear to be very chaotic and threatening because everything that was or has been will change.

Don't be fearful. Find a way to walk through all the fears and/or face them and walk in Love and Light...there is where you will find the peace, solace, joy your soul is craving..

:hug:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:19 PM
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9. Questions:
What is an empath?

I would describe what happens to me as strong intuition based
on minimal information. If I hear, see or read something, I get a very
strong sense if it is BS or real. I always assumed everyone could
do this, and get very frustrated with everyone as they seem somewhat slow to pick up on info. In my head there is a pile of puzzle pieces and as I get minimal info the pieces start falling into place to give
me the whole picture.

I am also very tuned into feelings of others and perhaps that is the empath part?

I will look at the Sharp website. And at the prison meditation.
Is Sharp a way to get plugged in, and tuned into happenings energy wise? Many thanks!
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:36 PM
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14. Empath ..
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 06:37 PM by tlcandie
Yes, would be tuned into the feelings of others. I've always said I'm a sponge and I soak up all that is going on around me and whatever I see or feel.

I've had to put up a barrier or energy around me...kind of like mosquito netting :D That way only energy that benefits my being gets in unless I specifically allow it.

I was told that it is killing me and I must learn to filter it out and learn objectivity.

Cassiepriam, you will find many ways. DesertRose, Dover and many others post various threads from various sites which are encouraging and uplifting giving us insight into the Spiritual side of all that is happening.

Yes, Michael's site is one way. I like his books and/or information because it cuts to the truth of the matter like a sharp razor... rightly dividing the truth of a matter.

Each to his/her own. Different people walk different paths, as Dem_Ex stated above.

EDIT: Plugging-in means YOU plugging in Spiritually and finding a path of meditation, etc. that will allow you the peace and freedom to process and raise your energies to move through these tumultous times without undue hardship.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:43 PM
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15. Pisces seem to be super absorbent sponges, don't they?
:loveya:

DemEx
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:45 PM
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16. Very much so, Dem_Ex!!
:loveya: :hug:
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:04 PM
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19. I also appreciate your post.
I will be checking out some of the suggestions offered here as well.

More tomorrow as I am late for bed.
Peace
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:48 AM
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20. welcome & great post cassiepriam
I can certainly understand how you feel...all these energies swirling around us.....and if you are the least bit sensitive (as you certainly seem to be) you are like blotter paper and seem to pick it up & hold the imprint ...

You've been given some great places to start reading.....Dem Ex & tlcandie have steered you towards Michael Sharp & others...

Another website is What's Up on Planet Earth ...Karen Bishop writes these very insightful "Energy Reports" and has some good ones from the election....http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/

As you will see..you are definitely NOT alone :hug:

"As the planetary vibration continues to increase at a rapid rate, many are experiencing powerful and unusual physical, spiritual, mental and emotional symptoms, along with an emergence into the higher realms or dimensions.  Gain comfort and reassurance that you are not alone and all, as always, is in divine right order." 

Here is a link from her archive pages to The Election PT 1 & 2
http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/Archives%202004/November.4.2004.htm
http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/Archives%202004/November.8.2004.htm


I think when one comes awake, it is very disconcerting (to say the least) to be so clearly aware of how wrong things can feel...(and especially when you seem to be the only one who has a clue!) ....but the important thing is to remember that there is always a higher persdpective an that we can't get caught and stay in the fear that is swirling all around us.

No coincidence that you were lead here and I am so glad you posted......with so many of us here we will have some wonderful "chats" :grouphug:

:hi::hug::loveya:
DR
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:39 AM
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24. Gosh, I thought I was the only one with those foreboding
feelings. I totally agree about his inner circle. After Jan 20th, that circle will find him of no use any longer. He has done his job and will be expendable. His inner circle, which is a great way to explain it, will not bow to any right wing fundies, which I am sure they are having a great laugh at their expense. After all, manipulating them the way they did was probably one of the easiest jobs they have ever had.

I also agree on the mental capabilities, I think before long he will break down and that may be the end of him, as he is becoming more paranoid as time goes on.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:10 PM
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28. yes
I agree with * being totally expendable to the repugs
once he becomes a liability. But it is interesting.
The effort seems now to deify him.
Billboards in his honor, loyalty oaths to him.
Makes me wonder.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:20 PM
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29. Thank you all
I want to thank you all for your kind words and
advice. I have a reading list comprised of the books
you have described. I will order them and begin to read!

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:46 PM
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30. Well!
Virgo rising with 3 personal planets in Pisces opposing sure sounds to me like a great recipe for "science plus intuition." LOL. YOU had no choice in the matter, that's how you're built!! (Or rather, that's precisely what you chose for yourself before coming here this time.) Amazing. I do so love astrology for its personal insights.

As others have said, you're definitely not alone, esp. in this forum. (Btw, I myself am a Pisces, tho just one planet and that's also the only water sign planet I've got -- and IMO that's enough anyway, for me.)

Where Bush is concerned, I share some of your reactions to him. In my case, I have a near complete and total revulsion and I have trouble listening to him or watching him. Even when I want to (as for the State of the Union), there's some inner mechanism that simply takes my mind away, almost no matter what I do.

Of course, the ideas discussed in this forum have moderated my pure hatred of him, as I too focus on what lays beyond....but boy! I still don't want anything to DO with him.

I feel increasingly separate and alienated from what's going on in our government and to a certain extent the world -- even the war!! Most days nowadays I actually forget to turn on the TV, and when I do hear a smattering of news, it's like it's about some other world, some other reality, some other time or place or even just a bad fiction of some sort.

Welcome to the forum and DU. Glad you're here.



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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:38 AM
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31. Thanks El
For the nice post. I have not been able to have * on the TV at all since 2000. I also feel a total disconnect with most of America.
IT all feels surreal, as though I am watching a bad movie.

Also do you know what all the Pisces mean in my chart? The person who drew up my chart said that it means that if I did not have Virgo rising I would be insane!! Sounds about right. :))
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:40 PM
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32. The Astrologist who did my family's charts
told me that nobody is born "under a bad sign"....that the birth situation presents lots of good traits/possiblities as well as weaknesses and problem areas, but none that are impossible to live with! :D

:hi:

DemEx

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:22 PM
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34. LOL ask my husband
what living with a triple Pisces is like....
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:45 PM
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33. Hi Cassie
I'm pretty new here myself, but wanted you to know how much I appreciate your presence here and your post. ((((Cassie)))

You are SO not alone.

As you said and as others have mirrored, I've also been completely repelled by *. I can't watch him on television or listen to him. I'm so bad, that if I am at the newstand of magazine rack at a store and his picture is on the cover of a magazine, I flip the magazine over (so I don't have to see his face). Watching the debates was truly an act of minor torture for me.

Also, interestingly enough I also came here today intent on asking people how they are staying centered, and what can we do spirituatlly during all of this. Entering this forum, I was greeted by Digit's thread/post and now yours.

There is something else at work here, try to take some comfort in that.

Oh, btw I'm Leo with Aquarius rising--not a pisces but ridiculously sensitive! LOL!

Take care,
Bliss:)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:37 PM
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35. Thanks Bliss
Thanks for the nice comments. In terms of grounding, I tried a relaxation bath... was great. Pink candles, lavender bath,
soft meditation music. Was wonderful. Felt renewed.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:41 PM
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36. A belated welcome, Cassie!
I've been off-line most of the last week, and enjoyed reading through your post and all of the replies; there's some great stuff there!

I don't know much about astrology; it's on my list of things to get accomplished someday, to have my chart formally "done." I've seen it; I even have a copy of it somewhere. It was just never interpreted, and I don't know how to read it. I'm an Aries with a Gemini moon, if that means anything.

I had very much the same experiences in 2000 re: the selection. I couldn't believe that anyone would take this man seriously. And, if it weren't that I've made a conscious effort to transmute hate into something less destructive, I could say that he generated that kind of a response. In 4 years, I've never been able to listen to his voice or see his face for more than 30 seconds at a time without an intensely uncomfortable shiver of repulsion. Happily, I don't do tv news or much radio, so I've been able to hold that at bay.

Your post "connected" to some thoughts I was having while off-line this week; I apologize if they seem random or rambling. If there is a connection to be made, those with the patience to sort through it can find it in there somewhere!

It's all about how patterns play out on the small and large, individual, group, national, and global scales. And how what we do on an individual scale can mirror, or influence the global scale, and vice versa. Here's the pattern I've been experiencing:

On the group scale, I came to DU in January a couple of years ago, sick to death of listening to my right wing community sing the praises of the selected president. I lost one friend, and cut myself off from a group of others, in a friendly way, because I could no longer listen silently, and had no need to set myself up as a target by disputing them. I wanted people who understood where I was coming from, and I found them here.

I also found something else; while we could all agree on disgust with *, we didn't agree on what to do about it. We were never unified. There were the yellow dog dems, the moderates, the leftists, the progressives, independents, 3rd party members, etc.; all wanted to evict *, but not all agreed on how to do it. Some lobbied for fundamental change; some for fighting fire with fire. I remember several discussions with people who said we had to be "angry" because the energy of "anger" would carry us to victory in battle. I never agreed, but I was in the minority. We all had plenty to be angry about, but the energy of anger is destructive, not creative, and I didn't think it would serve us well in the long run.

Then we had the ABB crowd; an early movement that, sadly, is probably a factor in our loss. Because it was the only thing we really agreed on, and too many people went with Kerry on that premise, not because they thought he was the best choice or brought the best future to the table. Again, a campaign focused on anger and destruction instead of creating something new.

The primary wars raged until many DUers had so many people on "ignore" that we were like a bunch of little "cliques" who didn't open up to supporters of other primary candidates, because of the seemingly inevitable flame wars that followed. We weren't "united." Before the primaries were half over, there was a demanding drumbeat to "get united," and "get behind" the choice of the early primary voters. Some did. Some of us waited until the convention to "get behind" Kerry. And some never got behind him at all. Some of us who did "fall in line" did so less than enthusiastically, and were met with aggression from campaigners who wanted us to say we thought his platform and positions on issues were great, when we didn't. I, for one, sent a donation to the Kerry campaign and turned off all campaign discussions. The aggression, anger, fear, and battle mentality shut me out, by choice. I didn't want to participate, and I figured that all of those campaigners knew more than I did; I'd never belonged to a political party before, or campaigned for anyone before. My ideas and thoughts seemed to be a hindrance, so I took them elsewhere.

Guess what? The anger didn't get the job done. Now we hear more people suggesting that we need to be angrier, "meaner," and play "dirtier." Beat them at their own game. I disagree. If I become what I'm trying to change, I've lost even when I win. And this strategy has already failed.

This is a long story, isn't it? I have another private situation in my family; a big, knotty problem surrounding the mental, emotional, and physical health of a 4-year-old, and how to provide long term security for him. And a great deal of anger at the person responsible for compromising him. I spent the last week in conversation about what direction to go. And found roadblocks in front of every single idea. The bottom line? If we don't make peace with that *person*, there is no long-term solution. So we have to approach her. How? By confronting her, accusing, demanding, threatening? Or by offering forgiveness, compassion, and support? And taking the chance that she will throw them away, and our little boy will suffer anew? I've been feeling called to talk to her. And realizing that I will have to do so with empathy and support, for any good to come out of this situation. I was on my way home friday, stuck in traffic after having been on the road for 11 hours, and saw a bumper sticker in front of me. It quoted a scripture; something about a fool. It made me angry, because the implication of the people in the car just rolled out at me; I was a fool if I didn't worship the way they did. Interestingly enough, I didn't disagree with the underlying message; but telling me I was a fool if I didn't see it their way immediately shut my doors to them. And I thought, "That's the whole situation. We need change. In my family situation, in our nation, and on our planet. It doesn't matter how "right" we are, if we take our ideas to people in a way that derides them, makes fools or demons of them, etc., we shut all the doors to connection and change. If we want to find other paths where we can accomplish change together, we won't be shutting doors."

That applies to our individual personal interactions, our national and global political and spiritual interactions, everything we do. It's something that I wish the Democratic Party would reflect on, because I don't see us moving forward until we fundamentally change the way we do political business.

I wonder, this morning, if any of this makes sense; it must make sense to someone, because I felt called to toss it all down right here!

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37. Thanks for sharing, C.
First of all, I want to mention that if you are angered by Mr. Bush, you are definitely in the right place. I myself surfed into the DU about 1 1/2 years ago on a wave of anger. I was propelled by what I saw on a daily basis and was unable to do anything about.

I must be eligible for some kind of award here at the DU, because I must have written enough complaints about the man to fill an entire encyclopedia.

I'm sure a large portion of the people on earth feel the same way as you do. Not just Americans who have to deal with him in a closer orbit. My dear dad, for example, is the sweetest man on earth. You bring up Bush, however, and he almost has a thermonuclear meltdown.

Now, from reading your post up above, I gathered that you a) have spent a lot of time thinking about him b) you've gotten frustrated (familiar). c) you can't figure out why he is occupying his position (again, familiar territory). d) you're trying to figure out what's wrong with him (a well-worn path). e) you don't feel he should be representing you (holes in the carpet)

If you want to see frustration, see my latest post on Desertrose's thread. Writing became my therapy. I'm no less angry, but the anger is diffused.

I've slowly come to the realization that Bush was placed where he is for a number of reasons. One of them is to galvanize spiritually minded people into action. This man is so obnoxious, so odious, that we simply can't be passive any longer. He's whipped us into action. The anger is what's driving us.

I believe that we're being asked to make a choice. The world has become divided, with a chasm as big as the Grand Canyon in between. Spiritually minded people, and worldly people. There is not much middle ground. This is actually a good thing.

I also believe a day will come, maybe not too far off, when we may need to rely on our "spiritual high ground" and be moral beacons for others who are misguided and confused. We will already have made that choice long ago.

So -- ride the wave.






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