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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 12:32 AM
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Remember the storm Cristobal?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 12:34 AM by undergroundpanther
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/CRISTOBAL.shtml

Weird name..

Even weirder history..and connections
If our mysterious authors were themselves the three Great Toastmasters, and if their duties included the convening of wedding banquets, that would help explain why they took a special interest in marriage customs when they recounted the life and times of successive Quiche citadels. Indeed, they specifically noted the point at which feasting and drinking first became a part of the negotiations for a bride.
The authors give us one final clue to their identity when they tell us that the three Great Toastmasters are "Mothers of the Word" and "Fathers of the Word." The combination of "Mother" and "Father" suggests the contemporary day-keepers called mother-fathers, who serve as the ritual heads of patrilineages; it is from their ranks that matchmakers are drawn. The focus on "the Word," coming as it does near the very end of a work whose opening line promised to give us the "Ancient Word," suggests that the Word parented by the Great Toastmasters and the Word written down in the alphabetic Popol Vuh are one and the same. If so, we know the name of at least one of the writers: when Juan de Rojas and Juan Cortes signed a document known as the "Title of the Lords of Totonicapan" in 1554, a man named

Cristobal

Velasco*(44) signed himself as Great Toastmaster of the Cauecs.


At the end of their work the authors repeat the enigma they presented near the beginning, allowing us to wonder whether the hieroglyphic Popol Vuh might still exist somewhere, only now they say it has been "lost" instead of telling us that the reader is hiding his face. They close on a note of reassurance, asking us, in effect, to accept what they have written without demanding a closer look at their sources, since "everything has been completed here concerning Quiche," meaning the place named Quiche. Then, lest we forget their difficult circumstances, they add the phrase, "which is now named Santa Cruz," or "Holy Cross." Here again they take us back to the beginning, where they told us, "We shall write about this now amid the preaching of God, in Christendom now."

Modern Toastmasters,a legacy leftover from the info above maybe??.(no they aren't about making excellent toast...
http://www.toastmasters.org/MainMenuCategories/WhatisToastmasters.aspx

The Mayans appreciated beautiful poetic use of language.Accurate retelling of stories and verbose litanies.


And Columbus?? the North American"conquistador"?
I can understand why Juan is John in English and Pablo is Paul, but how did the name of Cristobal Colón ever become Christopher Columbus in English?
http://spanish.about.com/od/spanishlanguageculture/a/columbus.htm

And the bane of many Indian nations,Booze in this case, Tequilia..??

In his first letter home, the Conquistador Cristobal de Oñate wrote to King Carlos about sugar obtained from agave... "From these plants they make wine and sugar, which they also sell." The agave followed the Conquistadors as they pushed the boundaries of their empire further and further.
Cristóbal de Oñate and his Spaniards fought many bloody battles against Osaña's brave Teochinchenses, but in 1530, the natives surrendered and laid down their weapons (consisting of bows and arrows tipped with obsidian, spears and shields). They transferred control of the hill "Chiquihuitillo" where the town of Tequila now sits.
http://www.ianchadwick.com/tequila/16-17th%20centuries.htm

There is something disturbing about naming a storm that could become a hurricane that was once moving twords the eastern shores of America,after columbus,conquistadors and the tequila capital..

I think when tropical storms or hurricanes get named it isn't random if you look under the surface of the history and meanings/origins of the names.It's interesting to connect things that don't even seem related sometimes,you find some strange things.

KATRINA
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English, German, Swedish, Dutch
Pronounced: kə-TREE-nə (English), kaht-REE-nah (Dutch)
Variant of CATRIONA. It is also a German, Swedish and Dutch contracted form of KATHERINE.

A DUTCH name,well what happened in the netherlands?
Their Levee system broke too.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007241
Strange huh?
Just posting this because I thought the name Cristobal was unusual.And...yeah I'm bored.
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