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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:44 AM
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Know what we are dealing with.
ReadMoreOften posted this in GD yesterday and it really struck a chord with me.I think everyone here should read it to gain an understanding of what we are dealing with.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3971474

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A REPUBLICAN HYPOCRITE. THERE ARE ONLY REPUBLICAN FOOLS AND REPUBLICAN SOCIOPATHS.

They are never hypocrites (truthfully!) in two crucial ways:

1) WORKING-CLASS FUNDAMENTALISTS (by working-class I mean fundie doctors, lawyers, graphic designers, cat therapists, shoemakers, cooks who run their own family restaurants, mechanics, TV actors, and even middle management) are folks who believe that humans are innately sinful. To them, we are all tempted by Satan into pedophilia, rape, theft, homosexuality and murder. Christians probably more so, because they're a bigger catch for Satan. This is why it is okay that Larry Craig had a 'homosexual moment of weakness' but it isn't okay that Barney Frank lives life proud to be who he is. What is important in the Fundamentalist Republican worldview is not the act (which is always forgiven) but the CREED. They literally care about what is SAID, not what is DONE. One is not expected to live up to one's ideals in this ideology. THUS THEY ARE NEVER HYPOCRITES. Hypocrisy makes little sense in their worldview so long as someone says "the devil made me do it"--which a coniving sociopathic Republican and a scared fool Republican always will. The Christian system depends upon people fucking up so they can repent. A sinner only crosses the line and becomes the incarnation of EVIL, when he or she says I believe that murdering the innocent is good.. I believe stealing what I don't deserve is okay... I believe raping godly women is my right...or I am going to marry my same-sex partner because I am in love. All else is just a temporary fuck up. In fact, it makes you even more appealing to Christians. You can fuck up every Saturday night. Like AA, just keep coming back. The real enemy is the one who says "I don't need AA" never the poor soul who succumbs to the demon brew. To them, we're all sin-o-holics.

THUS when progressives spend 10 weeks laughing at Jeff Gannon and then Gannon turns around to say on camera "Gosh! I'm so disgusted by my past. I've worked so hard to keep that prostitution stuff behind me...Please! I just want to rebuild my life!" Fundie Republican minds everywhere fight to protect this poor soul from our liberal abuse. They ask themselves "why do these so-called liberals criticize and reject this poor man who is struggling with the bonds of homosexuality while at the same time accepting homosexuals who refuse to repent? Clearly these people are on the side of sin and evil. They think it's the repentance that is evil. The liberals don't care about people who suffer from sin. They only want to promote evil because they are Satanic-possessed Demons." So while we're angry because we think Gannon is a 'hypocrite' and we're sure it'll make the Christian see "the REAL Gannon." They think he's a 'poor soul.' The truth is, he's neither: he's a sociopath with a good PR campaign (see below under Plutocratic Elitist.)

2) Attacking the 'sinful behavior' of Republican kids is even less politically savvy than attacking their Republican parents.

Fundies see sin as a sickness and a weakness. So why would you attack a Republican's sick child? Especially when you don't really have a problem with the so-called sin of high schoolers having sex. In fact, our policy is to "educate" high schoolers about sex so that they don't make babies! And babies are the blessing!!! It's the sex that's bad!!! So Bristol Palin's pregnancy only makes that damn Republican candidate a likeable martyr enduring the problems of 'real people' with human children who make mistakes. She'd be less likeable with perfect children who never fuck up because God loves repentant fuck ups more than goodie two-shoes-- and the American people do too (see: Bush).

Parents cannot control their children in the Republican worldview. Parents can only present the child with the 'correct model' and school them in the 'correct belief system'. If the child gives in to "Satan," that's no reflection on the parents. Evidence of good parenting is (a) forcing the child into marriage if pregnant after premarital sex and (b) announcing that the child is not a homosexual but was 'influenced' by one after a same-sex relation, or (c) renouncing the homosexual child if they refuse to repent, casting them out of the home, or putting them in a treatment facility to 'exorcise' them. Sort of like Alan Keyes did. As far as the Cheneys are concerned, for all the average Republican knows, Lynn and Dick are 'praying over' that Mary of theirs every night--so best not to bring it up. At least the Cheneys believe in the correct ideology of man-plus-woman-equals-marriage. And that's all that matters to the Fundamentalist.

That goes for theft too. If little Joe-Joe robbed a bank, he just fell into the wrong crowd and he now repents--believe you them. They probably also beat him with a rod, too.

In other words: you can't argue with brainwashed.

3) PLUTOCRATIC REPUBLICAN SOCIOPATHS ARE NEVER HYPOCRITES. Plutocratic sociopaths don't really even grasp the concept of 'sin'. They only understand what looks good to the other plutocrats and what earns them money and power. These are the Sociopath Republicans. They just using the Christians--the Working Class Fool Republicans-- and they think it's a laugh riot that these people can be lead so easily against their class interests. They think all people who believe in things are funny because they are easily manipulated. These elite Republicans only care about the maintenance of their class and they believe we are subhuman. If they are working class non-christians who espouse this rhetoric in hopes of dreaming their way to wealth and power, they are the worst of both worlds: sociopaths and fools all at once.

All sociopaths are incapable of hypocrisy. How can you be a hypocrite when you don't believe in anything whatsoever? They don't care about abortion laws because their children are above the law. They don't care about homosexuality because, should their son or daughter go lavender, they can always hire a PR team to cover it up or spin it. Even if they happen to care, it's just a minor irritation.

A true "elite Republican hypocrite" would be one who laughs at the subhuman massses around his or her fellows but then secretly sends tons of money to radical organizations--not charities--but radical, anti-elitist organizations. Of course these 'hypocrites' are not really hypocrites, but true people of conscience who happen to be born rich, who know that the material goods they can provide to 'the resistance' are more worthwhile than rhetoric and proclamations.

So there is no such thing as a Republican hypocrite. And if for some reason one should be 'hypocritical' because he or she happens to accidently harbor some 'family value' as a matter of bizarre coincidence--it's irrevelant unless they lose money or status over it--and in that case, a PR guy could always fix it.

In other words: you can't argue with sociopath.




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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:57 PM
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1. I saw that post...
and thought it was right on the money. If you profess to be their type of Christian, and ask forgiveness, you can do whatever you like and get a free pass on your behavior. Pretty convenient, isn't it? :eyes:

"Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often." ~ good ol' cynical Mark Twain :)
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:56 PM
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2. On one hand, what's posted
above is correct, I still will argue that at least some of them are hypocrites. They are the masters of "do as I say, not as I do" which is the basis of hypocrisy. They also condemn in others exactly what they do themselves, which again is the definition of hypocrisy.

That doesn't mean that the above thing isn't correct insofar as it applies to the subset of fundamentalists that it describes. But not all Republicans are brain-washed fundies, and it's those Republicans -- and probably it's only a minority of Republicans who can possibly be called brain-washed fundies -- who are the hypocrites.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 06:18 PM
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3. Sometimes life is just about trying to find a better way of living
even if others will never accept that it's possible. If you change your actions, and keep attempting to improve, then you've changed. Bravo to any who genuinely undertake this process, upon having noted things requiring change. Those who use force to make their agenda the rules for others, are out of line.

I prefer anyone who is honest about what they are, and if they don't like it, work to change it. Judgment, duality, and unforgiveness are the main characteristics of the 3rd dimension; love, forgiveness and service, the main characteristics of the fourth. I for one am utterly sick of the 3rd and am done trying to fix it. No one wants the truth that would help it to happen; they want to indulge their judgment, duality, and unforgiveness. These are the things that I must change within myself, whether anyone believes it or not, whether anyone changes in response.

Often, those in judgment commit the same actions as those they disapprove of, upon those they disapprove of, yet in -directly- mimicking what they disapprove of, justify it as "good" when they do it, and "bad" when done by those they disapprove of.

If an action is so bad that one would judge it, why then leap up to repeat it? And continue until "satisfied"? I believe that is called "hypocrisy", but that is just the sort of information which causes those who don't believe that repeating a bad act is actually bad in and of itself, to even more bad acts. Hence the insanity of this world.

This is the sort of information which would help to fix the world, and I know that no one, but no one, wants it. So why do I keep sharing it?

My work here is done, except upon myself.
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