vedic predictions

[yellowdawgdem]

http://www.galacticcenter.org/GWB_summer_predictions.htm
The website (above) has some kind of dire predictions for dubya, or his family, and/or the rest of us for middle july of 005. Sorry if this has already been posted, but if not, it's a damn good read.
It goes into the charts of all in his family, plus the usa chart. It's a little difficult to understand because of the differences in vedic interpretation. Basically, the author states that at this time the planets will be in a similar alignment as on 911.

..."Danger for America and President George W. Bush

By Joni Patry

Vedic astrology is an exceptional system for prediction. I am writing this article to emphasize this fact, submitting it before any of these events have taken place. I have gone out on a limb to make such dramatic predictions in order to invoke attention to help prevent these events. Astrology is a tool that gives us sight into the darkness to enable us to prevent problems and suffering. Looking at the transits and dashas with the charts of our President George W. Bush, the chart of America, and the use of the derivative chart system (Bhavat/Bhavam), I am making some specific predictions.

Whenever I see challenging and dangerous events in a chart, I use the charts of related family members to validate events using the derivative house system, or what Vedic astrologers refer to as Bhavat Bhavam, meaning from house to house.

Dangerous Aspects
Around the first two weeks of July we have a configuration very similar to September 11, 2001. On this day Jupiter was conjunct Rahu in Gemini, and Mars was in opposition with Ketu in Sagittarius. The factor that triggered this volatile combination was the Moon. On that ominous day the Moon conjoined the Jupiter/Rahu conjunction. On July 13th the Moon conjoins Jupiter and Ketu.

Another interesting similarity is the fact that the Mars/Rahu conjunction will be in Pisces, a sign ruled by Jupiter, and the Jupiter/Ketu conjunction will be in Virgo, a Mercury-ruled sign. On September 11th the Jupiter/Rahu conjunction was in Gemini, ruled by Mercury, and the Mars/Rahu conjunction was in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter. So, on each occasion Mars and Rahu/Ketu are in a Jupiter-ruled sign and Jupiter with Rahu/Ketu are in a Mercury-ruled sign. Actually, each time the Moon comes into the same sign as either Mars or Jupiter during the time that Jupiter is opposed Mars with the nodes we have a very dangerous time in this world. I think late June and July is more ominous since Mars is in closer contact with Rahu and the eclipse degree..."

[ebayfool]

1. Question for anyone knowledgeable @ this?

If the first prediction (*ush/assassination or accident) happens as she predicts, how or will it affect the outcome of the 2nd prediction (for the U.S. & possible attacks, threats, etc)? Or has he done the damage in such a fashion (inspiring such bitter hatred in the world against us) that his presence in the white house is or isn't a factor in whether any planned attacks would go on? Whether he's here or not?

Or did that make any sense to anyone but me? Pffft, I'm not sure that I understand my own question - I'll check back in the A.M. & read it again ... see if I should rephrase (but I'm leaving it in case someone else can follow the track).

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Therefore, I conclude with my prediction for President George W. Bush of danger from possible accidents or assassination attempts, this may involve travel, and his family could be involved. He could also have serious health problems. Serious threats or disasters on our homeland could also be indicated here, for the President will feel responsible for such attacks. One way or another it will be a very difficult summer for him.

Furthermore, this Fall will be extremely hard for him, too. On the Solar Eclipse October 3rd, Mars will turn retrograde. Transiting Mars will be mutually aspecting transiting Saturn as Saturn crosses over his 1st house planets and his Ascendant degree. All these are very stressful aspects indicating contention, fighting and more war. Natural disasters are indicated as well, such as earthquakes and severe weather globally. What a time to be President!

[Dover]

2. It's not really that clear.....sounds like an either/or situation.

I'm not familiar with vedic, but I think what the author is saying is that there are a range of possible outcomes based on the hard planetary aspects he sees....either health, assassination of him and/or family members, attacks on our country...etc. But regardless the circumstances, any or all of these things would effect him in a big way.

[ebayfool]

3. Dover, I know it's cold & wrong-hearted to think this way. But I'm

more concerned @ how anything that happens to him affects the country rather than the effect on him or his family. Pretty much figure he has a big ol' karma call to pay, one way or the other - him & his clan. I'm just wondering how much & what effect his fate(s) have on the karma call we as a nation have coming for allowing him to use the rest of the planet as his personal play toy. If he meets his karmic debt w/whatever is coming at him, will it change or deflect some of the debt we have incurred. More at the hands of what she was referring to as attacks & threats from outside - are they aimed at the country or at him? I figure natural disaster as being a more ... hmmm, karmic(?) debt for an entire nation or peoples. But I'm not getting whether the wars, terrorist attacks, etc she sees as being called for him or us as a nation? Probably trying to read answers that aren't there, just want them to be! LOL

I think some of that old Southern Freewill Baptist upbringing I had leaks out here - I still see retribution being delivered sometimes by fire & brimstone (natural disaster?). I don't believe that w/the thinking part of the brain, I'd rather believe that atonement by rectifying wrongs can avert retribution. But in cases of extreme wrongs, there's that little seed that worries that nothing but pure retribution will suffice. In this (*ush) case, I'm not sure I want my 'sins' mixed in w/his - his karmic debts are so big that they could affect a nation! If ever a case could be made for fundie retribution in the deeper reptilian part of my brain, *ush would be the grand prize winner.

[Dover]

4. .........feel better?

:evilgrin:

Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord (totally up to the big chief).

You might find this interesting...from an old freemason's text about this subject:

SYMBOL OF OMNISCIENCE REGARDED MONITORALLY

In conclusion, let us see whether these thoughts will not help to solve (at least partly) some of the moral enigmas which confront us when we contemplate the evil and injustice perpetrated on Earth. A crime, committed hundreds or even thousands of years ago, may have remained undiscovered by Man, but somewhere in Space the scene still exists from beginning to end. The victim and the criminals of that fatal catastrophe have been for centuries turned to dust. Both site and surroundings have been swept from the Here. But the entire sequence of events is protrayed There – the ghastly wound still appeals for justice before the All-Seeing Eye, and (adopting an argument of the eminent astronomer Flammarion) if the ghosts of the assassins were condemned to move ceaselessly in space with the point where the etherial vibrations display their crime, and with the velocity of light, they would thereby be compelled to a perpetual contemplation of it. A penalty, surely, as terrible as the crime itself !

So must it be with every lapse from that undeviating line of conduct laid down in Sacred Law. And every such defection must remain – would have to subsist in perpetuity – except that the dazzling brilliance of Judicial Power in the All-Seeing Eye is blended with an Infinite Benignity. It is this which permits that hereafter – somehow, somewhere, these penal offences will be annulled from existence.

Here, our circle of human conduct is bounded by Divine Mercy. But parallel lines converge at Infinity. Hence, though the Sword of unerring and impartial Justice impends the one parallel, we raise our eyes to that Bright Morning Star which illumins the other, and we trust that by humility and contrition the doom will be averted.

Yet the deeply solemn thought remains. Wherever we are, and whatever we do – ALL is perpetually present to the scrutiny of our Just though merciful Judge. To Him our real intentions are plainly apparent, the criterion of our actions; and He will reward or punish as we have obeyed or disregarded His Divine commands. Whatever be our faults, the Eye of Omniscience exercises an unwearied supervision over the actions and affairs of the whole human race; and while we continue to act according to the principles of our Craft, let us not fail to discharge our duty to the Grand Overseer with fervency and zeal.

[ebayfool]

12. Yup, better!

I need to get my sleep schedule turned back to a more normal pattern, & stop reading when I'm up in the wee hours ... & get better control of that bit'o reptilian brain!

I like your freemason's piece, justice & mercy - coexisting w/faith. I need to work on tending my own bisquits, & let that which is neither under my control or influence seek it's natural resolution - holding onto faith that it will be dealt w/justice & mercy. All these quakes here (we live in CA) are making me a tad jumpy, so I'm tending to absorb the gloom reading such predictions. I went back & saw she pretty much answered the questions in the column, I just didn't like everything I was seeing. So, the inclination to overanalyze & try to find answers that were more comfortable. *ush & clan have their path to follow, & I deep down suspect she's right @ we get the leaders that fit our (country's) karmic road. That's speaking in the royal sense, of course. We are trying to stop his tyrannical rampage, but there are those that did vote for him - & continue to defend every outrage that unfolds. They are a part of the collective debt we all have to pay.

But, if I was the Big Chief ... *ush would sooo be in for the reptilian, fundie, dark side of retribution!

[FreedomAngel82]

6. I agree

I haven't read the whole thing but from what I did read it all depends on what he and his administration does. A lot of people are pissed off at him in the world and now the Iraqi lawmakers are saying they want us out of their country and any other foreign occupiers that might be there. If he ignores their wishes something could very well happen if he travels and isn't highly protected. I'm not sure what will happen with him either but I do sense that this summer and fall will be very difficult for him (which is good I think). I wonder if his karma is catching up to him.

[Pallas180]

5. Does anyone have knowledge of this astrologer? or of her track record?

I've never heard of her and not being a Vedic astrologer myself, I would rather look at these dates in Western Astrology.

On Star IQ, for some months, there's been an article by a fairly well known astrologer in astro circles who predicts something of the nature of trouble for the dimbot.

One thing that would seem highly possible is a large quake in California..from the series of quakes we are seeing now...but doing a comparison of the major San Francisco quake aspects and current in
Western astrology would clarify.

Reading vedic astrolgoy for a western astrologer, is like reading a book in Chinese when you dont know the language.

[yellowdawgdem]

7. I agree

that vedic is way complicated. In spite of that, I thought she did a good job of weaving it together with the western perspective. For instance, dealing with both 9th and 10th house to represent the father. And showing the intricacies of the 5th and 11th houses, who all they can represent, etc. I do not know very much about this astrologer, but July is just around the corner, so we will find out fairly soon whether or not she had an accurate take. The thing that worried me the most was when she talked about the similarly configured 911 /and the first 2 weeks in July. Regarding dimbot, the moon seemed to be a major player, though I know vedic looks more at moon transits/cycles.
She cya (covered her a**) by listing a wide range of possibilities, from earthquakes and accidents, to dimbot's mother (meaning a profusion of moon aspects, and the moon literally representing one's mother), to him just having a really bad summer. I was fascinated by the vedic take, though most of it went over my head, esp the Indian terminology, though she explained about the dashas /the drishti/ the goshara. I guess I'd have to read it over again, or maybe look at what some other vedic astrologers are saying for july.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I got some information earlier you might be interested in

Check out my post on it. I don't think it'll be another attack. I just don't sense it anyways. Maybe my post will help clarify things. :shrug:
But none the less his summer WILL be bad. That much I can agree with.

[yellowdawgdem]

9. which earlier post?

Which thread? Y'know, I don't really sense another attack either,and tend to think it would more be earthquake activity, or something along that line. I'm actually more curious than worried- which shows that I'm not sensing anything big. However, I have noticed lots of people misplacing things or getting into some minor scrapes, which can be a sign of picking up on a trend. I mean, it can show a certain absent-mindedness due to so much going on in the environment. I guess it is good to be careful, maybe be especially protective of loved ones and keep them safe during those 2 weeks in July- especially around the 13th. Then, when (probably) nothing happens, it will not be a big deal.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. It's the first post

that says "Bush info."

[yellowdawgdem]

13. ok

Your posting about karma. The only thing about karma, it doesn't come around immediately, I doubt it's intended as retribution. But, for sure, travelling can be somewhat dangerous these days! Esp if you've got a world full of enemies.

[robertarctor]

11. Yeah

Pallas, I've seen her ads in The Mountain Astrologer, and I believe I've read articles by her there, too.

Vedic astrology is so much different than Western tropical astrology, in that it tends to be quite precise and fatalistic and event-centered. She does a good job in explaining some basic concepts--the nakshatras (divided into 27 moon mansions), which determine mahadashas (periods governed by one of the nine Vedic planets) and their subdivisions, the bhuktis.

I went to Dennis Harness some years ago for a reading, and found him to be quite helpful. Others I've read who seem helpful to those of us more conversant in Western astrology include James Braha and Komilla Sutton.

Now that I have a little spare time tonight, I'm going to read Ms. Patry's piece more thoroughly (I glanced through it earlier).

[Pallas180]

14. Robert, I see you've really gotten into Vedic - wonderful!

I often wish I could venture into other types of astrology and admire those who can do both - but I'm not one of them. :)

:shrug:

[robertarctor]

15. Just enough to kind of understand it ...

I had a chart done about eight or 10 years ago, and he drew up a list of dashas (planetary periods) and bhuktis (sub-dashas) based on the position of my moon at birth. I began life in a Rahu dasha, then transitioned into a Jupiter dasha around the time we moved when I was a teen. But the capper was that I transitioned into a Saturn dasha within a couple of days of the time around my Saturn return, when I took an editorial assistant job at a music magazine, and that job turned into a profession as a music critic, writer and magazine editor. A while back I segued into a Mercury dasha, and Mercury is my ruling planet because I have a Virgo ascendant (in both Vedic and tropical astrology), but I'm not writing right now, although I've been working in the music biz. One of these days, maybe I'll go back to writing.

Or maybe I'll ride my bicycle and look at the flowers! (A favorite pastime of mine.)