This astrologer says another phony 9-11 coming leading to dictatorship

[Pallas180]

WHAT THE MOONS TELL ME;
TWO CONSECUTIVE CAPRICORN FULL MOON ALERTS
A Summer Solstice Story
< June 21, 2005; July 21, 2005 >
by Francis D. Grabau

The Moon is full about 10:13:42 PM in Santa Fe tomorrow night, June 21, just as the Sun enters Cancer for the Summer Solstice. This is a tad unusual, or it feels so to me. Last night the Moon looked all fogged over, misted out in a haze here in Santa Fe. Curious that the Full Moon should emphasize the 0+ degree of Capricorn while the Solstice (Stand Still) Sun anchors the Summer Season at 0+ degrees of Cancer. Cancer can be seen as the private person, the Individual with his/her personal feelings, needs, viewpoints while Capricorn (and its "ruling" planet, Saturn) refers to the compelling power of the Collective upon the Individual -as this June 21 Full Moon and the next Full Moon on July 21, 2005 will make clear. The Feeling Power of the Collective versus the Feeling Power of the Individual.

But at this current Full Moon in Capricorn, as distinct from the one on July 21, SATURN will still be in the sign of its "debilitation-fall" -CANCER- whereas on July 21 it will be half a degree into Leo and headed toward both the North Lunar Node of America and the personal, individual Ascendant of G. W .Bush. These two points are somehow "fated" to be interconnected or mutually resonant. The President sees himself as a Leo Leader "sent" by "God" (his Personal Father with whom he speaks) to lead America toward its "true" destiny. There is no question in his mind, nor in the minds of his colleagues, that this arrangement is "Pre-Destined". It is "Fated". Bush, himself, is literally born with Saturn in Cancer (debilitated). What does this signify?

Saturn in Cancer symbolizes one who takes his personal, Individual feelings as the "norm". It's normal for such an Individual to "introject" the Saturn function by feeling that his feelings are the "real" ones shared by the Collective. G.W. Bush clearly feels "righteous" and assumes that all good Americans who are "normal" are in full agreement with his personal, subjective feelings -on almost any issue effecting America, a Cancer Nation. He, therefore, symbolizes and sums up the Collective American Feeling, a Cancer Feeling of Righteousness. Saturn in Cancer carries its seriousness, its focus on the norm, and its boundary making right into the gut of personal feeling causing constriction, objective rule-following in the very area where flow and subjective attunement to feeling needs are most important. Individual feelings thereby become the "secret" source of an obsession with Collective rules. This is why G.W. Bush quipped that it would be easier for him to run the Nation if he could be "dictator".

If we take into consideration that Bush is born with the Moon, "ruler" of Cancer, in the sign Libra and conjunct both Chiron and Jupiter in that sign, we can glimpse further evidence as to how his personal feeling woundedness (Moon + Chiron) when combined with his jovial public deportment (Jupiter + Moon + Chiron) gives him popularity among Americans. He's the "Awe Shucks!" President, the "regular" good guy who lurks in the Collective Shadow of all Americans -"Hey, I just wanna FEEL GOOD!" < Natal USA Venus conjunct Jupiter in Cancer >. Venus and Jupiter combined in Cancer also indicate the American dictum that "Bigger is Better" or that "You can never get enough of a Good thing!" -hence, gas guzzling SUVs and feel good food (sugar)- AMERICAN FAT!

Nevertheless, this President is capable of leading America into BANKRUPTCY combined with strict curtailment of Individual rights because, just like America, Bush is born with the Sun into the 14th Degree of Cancer: Mister America, Captain America! He appears to be so "easy-going" on so many levels because breezy old Neptune (planet of "anything goes") floats in Libra along with his Moon + Chiron + Jupiter there, and all in the 3rd House making his daily Speech a source of hilarity, vagueness, lack of focus ( the infamous "Bush Dyslexicon" ). Americans love it because we are a People-Nation born with Retrograde Mercury Speech in challenging Square aspect to our Natal Chiron in Aries: we neither speak nor think clearly, but PUSH (Aries) our thoughts and speech onto Others (Mercury, ruler of Natal USA Descendant -Others + the Nation's SHADOW FUNCTION). Might makes Right! A good old boys American "pre-emptive strike" ! Notice how Bush's sloppy, vague, ungrammatical, dissociative thought and speech do not bother most Americans, -they actually find it rather charming in a "down-home" kind of Cancer way! That's the "healing" side of his 3rd House Wounded-Healer (Chiron) function in Libra ( Mister NICE Guy -Yeah, Awe Shucks!)

But with these two consecutive Full Moons in Capricorn (June 21, July 21 2005) we are witnessing a "shift of gears" in the Nation's laws and government via Saturn which, while in Cancer for the June 21 Full Moon, will shift into Leo for the July 21 Full Moon. G.W. Bush and his colleagues are about to become STERN DISCIPLINARIANS. The emphasis of Saturn will shift from Cancer Feeling into Leo Leadership; he and his administration are about to begin to play HARD BALL. I see stricter law enforcement on the immediate horizon, financial constraints, an Executive call sent out to the People to "tighten their belts" and get ready for "greater sacrifices". And this is the "Karmic" (payback) indicated by the USA Sun in Cancer being in Square aspect to the USA Saturn in Libra at the birth of America. The LAW is going to RULE. And the Cancer Person of the President is going to "BE" both that RULE and that LAW.

The DICTATOR will probably try to assume his ROLE in September as transiting Saturn in Leo exactly conjuncts the Natal USA Lunar Node ( there will be 3 of these conjunctions: Sept. 16, 2005; Jan. 31, 2006 ; June 6, 2006 ) and he will probably need some "new" NEW PEARL HARBOR event to make this possible. Consequently, I think we need to be fully alert right now as the Saturn "gear shift" from Cancer to Leo occurs between these two immediately consecutive Full Moons in Capricorn. Something is being planned right now, something -an EVENT- that will de designed to make us all crave greater Saturn Law & Order. And this event, this "new" New Pearl Harbor, may be timed to resonate with the original "New Pearl Harbor" of September 11, 2001. The timing is right there in the Saturn transits conjunct America's Lunar North Node. This event is being planned to give much greater -in effect, ABSOLUTE- Power to the Executive.
The efforts being made by so many ( succinctly condensed in David Ray Griffin's two books: The New Pearl Harbor, The 911 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions ) to reveal the FACT that 911 was an INSIDERS GOVERNMENT PLANNED EVENT (with which ALL the Major Corporate Media were in collusion) are very urgently important. Americans are being deceived by their government even as they deceive themselves by refusing (out of fear and denial) to consider the facts. The recent "Downing Street Memos" have made all this starkly evident and yet the People sleep on. We all, I think, need to make these issues, books, and memos the subject of our daily conversations in order to remain awake. Anyhow, that's what the coming two consecutive FULL MOONS IN CAPRICORN say to me.

[Pallas180]

1. And another astrologer says the same thing:mopre about lies

US Lied to Britain over Use of Napalm in Iraq War
By Colin Brown, The Independent UK
Friday 17 June 2005

American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.
Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defenseminister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed
MK77, in Iraq.

But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position."

Full story here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/061705E.shtml

What! The USA LIED?
Again?

More Natal Mars in Gemini square Natal Neptune in Virgo energy activated these days (Big Time) in USA chart by transiting PLUTO in my own natal birth sign, Sagittarius!

By the way, looks like we might have a "NEW" New Pearl Harbor toward the end of JULY this year (coming right up) as the FULL MOON will fall right on the Natal USA Pluto in Capricorn while MARS (force) SQUARES both Sun & Moon from its own sign ARIES! (Anyone interested in the charts should contact me and I'll send them.)

If this happens, it is because both the IMPEACH BUSH movement and the 9/11 Truth Movement are making headway against the Corporately (Capricorn) owned Media/Press. It will be another attempt to DISTRACT us, the People from waking up and acting upon the TRUTH pouring these days out of England ... the Downing Street Memo and now the NAPALM-LIKE weapons reported over a year ago.

Saturn will be on President Bush's Leo Ascendant at the same time that it will conjunct (be in union with) the USA North Lunar Node (they are separated by less than half a degree!) ; either we hold him accountable or he will boldlystep forward to usurp greater Executive Power/Authority. He's "The Man Who Would Be King".

CONSCIOUSNESS, AWAKENESS is the point here, my friends, being AWARE. Such awareness is the very strongest PREVENTATIVE we can exert. Not fear, despair, or negativity.We cannot really change all this until the greater majority of us, or else a highly communicative minority of us are clearly and absolutely aware of the fact that 9/11 is a LIE fabricated by our own US Corporate-Military Government. This is certain. It's FACT.
Hugs,
Donaldo

[jen4clark]

32. Speaking of "new " New Pearl Harbor...

I'm posting this as a "watch out for this" sorta thing. ms in los angeles, over at CCN (Clark Community Network) posted this last week and my feeling is that the more people know about this the better. The Timeline is a bit long so I'll just post the beginning and end with a link to her blog. ms has given permission for this to be spread far and wide, so please feel free to pass it on.

Anthrax Spores and Giuliani Lore
By m s in los angeles CA
http://blog.forclark.com/story/2005/6/19/51119/2375

This is a collaboration of research from the past months. Connect the dots. Pay attention to the names. You decide!

~~~~~~~~~~~

About Anthrax:

All the anthrax mailed in 2001 came from a single source. The FBI person of interest was Dr. Steven J. Hatfill who worked at Ft. Detrick, MD., had access, wrote and lectured about anthrax usage as bio warfare, but when his home was searched no evidence of his involvement was discovered.

1400 strains of anthrax bacterium exist....each harbors 3 different DNAs. DNA analysis can trace its origin. The 3 DNAs from Robert Stevens strain (See story below) were sequenced, leaving no question of it's origins. The 3 DNAs were all 99.99% identical to the "Ames Strain" of anthrax stockpiled at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Ft. Detrick, MD. (USAMRIID) According to New Scientist, the data showed the anthrax originated there and was up to 3 years old.

After the September 11 attacks, the Bush administration repeatedly tried to link the anthrax attacks to Saddam Hussein and Iraq...unsuccessfully. See the NY Time article. It was to be yet another pretext for war with Iraq. But UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter knew this to be false information. He knew the strain of anthrax that Iraq had and knew it was not the same one mailed here in the U.S. He said there was "no verifiable link whatsoever" See his article; "Don't Blame Saddam for this One". At this time, according to the new book "Chatter" by Patrick Keefe-- Mr. Ritter was being surveilled and bugged by our own NSA listeners on a regular basis.

(This section is a Timeline - quite long but full of interesting information)


SUMMARY: So is it a coincidence? Bio One is the buyer of the Crown Co. years earlier that purchases the AMI building-- the supposedly anonymous unrelated buyer David Rustine. Then Giuliani forms a company in 2004, and of all names available, randomly chooses "Bio One" as his new corporate name and trademarks it. What luck! This could be a separate and unique Bio One, and appears on closer examination to be so. They instantly hook up with Rustine- the other Bio One and get the contract to clean up his new bldg in Florida! And get to move in the entire new Bio One company to boot (rental amts were not disclosed) Seems almost serendipitous that the unrelated David Rustine of Bio One would so swiftly dismiss his "relative"'s company (Marcor) who had reportedly already been contracted to do the decontamination--- which was the very reason he was touted as the Perfect Buyer of the building....he could cheaply clean it up with his relative's company, Marcor. But, wham, bang-- he hires Rudy's company...er...Bio One, instead. Just days after the company announces it's formation.

Bio One was solidly intent of total destruction/ shredding/incineration of all the evidence, I mean the "contents" within the building from its half dozen or so tabloid newspapers over the decades. When Rustine was threatened by lawsuits from the photographers, it was also discovered at the same time that the pictures could be decontaminated by gas and NOT destroyed in the process. Still, it was many months before that procedure was agreed to by Bio One. Then things began to fall apart -- economic contract problems vaguely cited as the reasons. Photo decontamination began and was halted aprubtly by petulant workers walking off the site, Guiliani threatens not to keep his pledge as a future tenant of the building and thus far, no resolution in sight.

http://blog.forclark.com/story/2005/6/19/51119/2375

[ebayfool]

2. Hey Pallas ... you look good in the daytime! I usually get to read your ..

posts in the middle of the night (that makes them harder, BTW). Do you know of anyone doing Cheny's chart? Might be interesting to see them along w*ushs' - I think these 2 are intertwined in a dark dance (linked fates?) that I'd love to see side by side charts for.

Have a gut check that says these astrologer's (& many DUers) are right @ another pearl harbor event, they need one now to shake the fear back into the public. Holding my family near to me & keeping supplies stocked up, as much as possible.

[Pallas180]

3. Hi DJ-trying to get out of the habit of those late hours :) I'll see what

I can do about showing you the two asses of evil charts

:evilgrin:

[Pallas180]

4. Just for DJ - the charts of the evildoers

note" these charts come from Astroresearch and for unknown reasons are using the equal house system, meaning every cusp is the same degree...why they have done this I cannot explain...but in the meantime, you can see the planets. while I dig up more accurate charts that show true Ascendant, MC, and degree of cusps.

[Matariki]

23. Bush's chart is interesting

i never looked at it before. Look at all that stuff in Leo on his ascendant - no wonder he has a 'king' complex - or is that Napoleon complex?

In vedic astrology he has the really evil kalasarpa yoga - where all the planets (outer planets excluded) are between the north and south nodes. this is supposed to be especially nasty - leading to major doom and severe constraints upon everything that the person attempts. Well the guy has run everything he's been in charge of into the ground. I'd like to see his vedic chart.

[ebayfool]

6. LOL - The late at night reading habit is mine! Kids get the modem in the

daylight - I fly at night! TY for the charts below, I'll have to get out my translation (semi)skills.

Main modem hoarder is at a swim party today - I get daylight access for a change!:party:

[emcguffie]

59. earlier in this t hread

you said that if anyone was interested in those two charts you could send them. I would love to see them.

EM

[Pallas180]

5. Here's an interesting tidbit:dimbot's MC is conjunct Hades=hell

"In Uranian astrology, Bush's "midheaven" is conjunct "Hades'," a combination interpreted as "Holder of Secrets." The policy of secrecy in his administration could implode and undo his presidency, and his lucky Jupiter, which will return in 2005, will be hard-pressed to save him."

[Pallas180]

7. Okay, here's the full chart of the little wanna be dictator

born in New Haven, but has to be relocated to DC to see what is going on currently.





and his sidekick darth vader's chart

[ebayfool]

8. Wow, this looks like a yin-yang balance between the 2 of them.

What one lacks the other supplies - maybe thats why they're such a formidable team?

[Pallas180]

9. While the senate is demanding Gitmo's closing - Halliburton gets $$$$$$$$$

"Halliburton—Dick Cheney's former company—was awarded a $500 million contract to make upgrades to "Gitmo" through 2010."

If you think about it, just as has happened to Milosevic and Saddaam
dimbot could and should be tried in the Hague.

But as Hitler did, he has stacked the congress, and the courts, clever, for his own safety and to pave the way for his breaking "the rule of law" of this country - when he speaks about it, he means the rule of his personal law imposed on America.

This country is in trouble. Deep trouble. The similarities are humongous. Too bad Dick Durbin had to apologize...that's Cheney's and dimbot's connections with Aipec. (sp) But then again, Jews supported and funded Hitler in the beginning too.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. I always worry about that

On Malloy's show now he's talking about Hitler/Bush connections and what Dubrin said and how the Nazi's started building camps in off locations and had hardly anything in Germany. I hope nothing happens but I can't help but worry. I don't sense anything but maybe I'm not strong enough right now or something. I only pray this astrologier is wrong. Apparently the new Gitmo place has air conditioning and all that. :\

[Pallas180]

11. Actually I see it a bit differently.

Energies of planets can go either way.

Right now and to the end of the year, the American people are ready to rebel against this government. Transiting Uranus is squaring natal Uranus rising of the USA (Gemini chart), and then transiting Uranus will square natal Mars of the USA chart. That last could be a little tense. That's the one that could go either way. Us against Them or Them against Us.

Also around mid August Mars is squaring the dimbot's natal Pluto. Another bicycle spill? choking on a pretzel? falling out of an airplane? Also transiting Uranus will be quincunx his Ascendant and Pluto - forced adjustment.

I'm tempted to say at the very least, let us pray, for the beginning of impeachment.

:patriot:

[FreedomAngel82]

12. I hope so

Only way I think we can change things is to keep fighting here on this plane front and in the spiritual front to keep sending positive energy and calling for help on the other side. I remember having this future dream. I've learned to tell the difference with my dreams and this was definitley one. I was living somewhere here in the US (I think still here in the south) and I was watching a news report on CNN. There were three reporters and something really big happened and Bush had either just been gone or was about to leave. One guy, the main reporter, was blaming Bush (it was his fault), another guy Clinton (go figure) and another guy Kerry which was really weird to me. There was another attack and the first thing that popped into my mind was NYC was hit again. :\ So I wonder what will happen. I was very worried about what would happen and scared for a daughter I supposivley have in that time frame. I hope it's wrong though.

[saracat]

13. My gut tells me this guy is wrong. I think this is the beginning

of the end for Bushco. Too many republicans are speaking out and Bush is NOT doing well in congress. I pray we have enough people elected in 2006 to impeach him.And I just think we might. I feel the tide turning.

[Pallas180]

17. Saracat, I agree the tide is turning and many in his own party are now

backing away from him, but only because it's election time.

The tide is turning because the Americans are not going rah rah war
anymore, but these bastids in DC now do not listen to we the people.
Maybe, the turning point will be his open war on Iran, coming to you
soon apparently.

On the other hand, 9 or 10 million people marched against the Iraq war - and it didn't stop him.

Something has to give.

[emcguffie]

19. But FEMA has camps everywhere already.

I read somewhere that there are approximately 800 "concentration camps" ready now. They are empty, but there are guards.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency?) can declare a national emergency any time, and guess what happens?

[Pallas180]

24. the FEMA plans are online, written by Ollie North; the first to go

will be the minorities and dissenters. That is actually stated.

[Pallas180]

56. emcguffie - 28ERL is asking

28 ERL is askiong for a new Astrology site for Astrology ONLY

called Poitical & Mundane Astrology.

We need 10 people to get it started on DU. Will you sign up?

all you have to do is go to 28 ERL's thread and say "yes".

28erl (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-28-05 06:03 PM
Original message
Positive replys only - we want a separate group for astrology called
political and mundane astrology

We want to take astrology out of the title and out of this forum. We want a place where those who are drawn to astrology can come find astrology.

Although this forum has interest in other topics, we feel it detracts from the science of astrology and brings it into a perception we prefer people not have of astrology.
____________________________________________________________________

We need 10 people with positive replys - the rest need not reply here but can start their own thread

[emcguffie]

57. I only found this by searching the archives

I guess I missed all of it.

I get buried at work sometimes, and don't look at this for a few days. My interest in coming into this forum was reading about the * folks and the country and all astrologically.

That doesn't mean I don't have questions in any other sense.

But I do not understand why astrologers quit posting in here. I noticed it, but I didn't know what was going on. And I guess since I don't read every word (looking for the astrology, ma'am), I miss a lot?

I don't know what happened in here, but I miss the astrologers. Astrology is astrology, seems to me. But I can certainly understand astrologers not wanting to be mobbed with questions for personal astrology.

By the way, I now think what you meant when you said "natal astrology" was personal astrology. However, we are interested in personal astrology about the significant persons.

Hope you come back.

[Dover]

14. The ghost of 9/11

Image taken by an Irish tourist in NYC this month, on a digital camera.

Do you see the projections/shadows of the twin towers in the background where once they stood?



Original Image taken with a digital camera



Reality as projected illusion - like flim on a screen project through the lens of the camera.

on edit: I don't have any firsthand knowledge of the picture taker or the photo. This is off the internet so who knows if it's legit. But I thought it worth posting here. It's strange, but when I look at the first picture I see white 'shadows' behind/above all the buildings. My eyes seem to be playing tricks or something.

[Hoodwinked]

16. Amazing photos

Thank you for posting these.

Peace
Hoodwinked

[Pallas180]

18. Dover, it's not your imagination - they have done this with parked

cars which have been there a long time, the car is taken away, but infra red photos I think it is, still show the same kind of image of the ghost of the car being parked in the spot....we leave an imprint.

Interesting to think about isn't it?

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Oh wow

Simply amazing. If it's legit that's pretty amazing! It seems to be but then again I don't know anything about photo doctoring. I get the strange feelings with the photo's like I do with crop circles and UFO's.

[Hoodwinked]

15. Sabien insights Bush 43

Sun 14 Cancer

A very old man facing a vast dark space to the northeast.

ASC 7 Leo

A bolshevik propagandist.

MC 24 Aries

A double promise reveals its inner and outer meanings.

Neptune 6 Libra

The ideals of a man abundantly crystallized.

3rd house 23 Virgo

A lion-tamer rushes fearlessly into the circus arena.

Saturn 26 Cancer

A furious storm rages through a residential canyon.

Chiron 16 Libra

A boat landing washed away.



Peace
Hoodwinked

[Cleita]

20. Could it be an overthrow of this government by the military?

Then could the dictatorship be military rule for us? Just a thought.

[Pallas180]

25. Cleita

anything is possible, I haven't seen any astrologers mentioning that, and it would take some looking at natal chart and rulerships of our military. Seems to me it would be more likely coming from
ex CIA, those thrown out, and we would have to look at that too.

[icymist]

22. Let's be sure that our own personal fears aren't clouding interpretations.

As the threat of an expanding war looms the possibility of misreading disturbing situations grows. Strong emotions can cloud the astral and mental planes and with the 2006 election season fast approaching, we all need clarity of vision. These readings and charts are very helpful, especially toward an adversary proving to be, both, cunning and evil. Talk of concentration camps are disturbing at the least, but we are not there as of yet. Let us focus on what is before us and pray that we see the reality of these.

on edit for grammer.

[Pallas180]

26. Icymist

They are built. We are there. The FEMA plans and authority have been online for years. The plans for whom is going to occupy those camps are written and have been for many years.

The sword of Damacles exists.

It's a question of whether the American people will lay down and roll over when the time comes.

With Uranus square Uranus.. it seems to me the stage is set.

Uranus rules dictators as well as freedom and rebellion.

The two forces are in battle now.

[Nancy Waterman]

27. Bush and Cheney will have a bad autumn and winter

Both will be hit by Saturn from September through January. Look how they both have points from 7 to 10 of the fixed signs. That Saturn station will be opposite Cheney's Sun for a few months. these aspects do not suggest an increase in power. They suggest power obstructed.

The one window of opportunity for Bush to act out violently will be in August when Uranus opposes his Mars again. But if he does, it will backfire on him by September.

[Pallas180]

28. Bush has completed a coup d'etat of the Constitution-today

his un-supreme court has returned the land of America and Americans to the wealthy, to wealthy land developers, and to those corporations with political and financial influence. They now have the right to look at your property, say they can make better use of it than you are, and have the state declare it condemned and turn it over to them for their personal use.

Who was it who said on these threads years ago that his election meant returning to the feudal system. How right he was. The serf will be allowed to tend the land until the wealthy want it for their own.

Something is very wrong here. America has gone very wrong.

[Pallas180]

29. What do Rove & Scarboro know?

Tonight Rove and Scarboro talked of bush's naming another to the
un supreme court this summer. Therefore it must be an open secret in
DC that one of the justices is retiring this summer.

The word also is that after the committee refuses to pass on Bolton going to the UN as Ambassador, bush will appoint him during recess.

How much destruction are citizens going to take ?

[Dover]

31. Cheney hospitalized?

This is pretty interesting....wonder if he went on to give his speech?


Interesting bit on the HuffPost:

Is Cheney Alright?
I just landed at Vail airport, right next to the Vice President’s Gulfstream jet (actually, there were two Vice Presidential planes, not one... how much of an entourage does one VP need?). He’s here to speak at the World Forum at Beaver Creek, sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute, and held, of course, behind closed doors. The guy sent to pick me up by the Vail Valley Institute (where I’m speaking) told me that he had seen the VP’s motorcade speed towards the local hospital. Being an intrepid HuffPost reporter, I asked him to take me straight there. Upon our arrival, we encountered a high level of security -- and a lot of zipped lips: “We cannot tell you anything,” “No comment,” “That information is not available...” But one hospital staffer, obviously not schooled in the secretive ways of Cheney, let it slip: “He’s no longer here”. And since you cannot “no longer” be someplace you’ve never been, we can deduce -- though not confirm -- that Cheney did, in fact, pay a visit to the local hospital. The reason? Over to you AP...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com

[bliss_eternal]

33. Whoa--I just got a chill reading this...

Barely 10 mins. ago, I posted on another thread how I felt Cheney hadn't been looking well lately. Then I read this. Was he really hospitalized.

OK...I feel a bit creepy right now.

Yikes.

[Dover]

39. Creepy is right. I've been seeing similar remarks about Cheney's

sickly appearance from other DUers in the last week, accompanied by pictures. I couldn't tell any difference and thought it wishful thinking. But apparently others have a better eye for these things.

Anyway, here's confirmation that he saw a cardiologist in Vail -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1579949

He's got a Jupiter transit to his Sun the first part of July which usually is indicative of growth and expansion. He's got some difficult transits too, so it's a mixed bag. But he does seem to be under Jupiter's protection for now.

[Pathwalker]

30. And in case we think we can successfully fight them

on the ground, we now know the Air Force pilots are all the Uber-right wing Xian evangelists; as one person in Colo. Springs said: "GOOD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS who will keep this CHRISTIAN nation safe".
The stage is set, and they've covered their "bases", all right.
:scared:

[Pallas180]

35. Exactly my thoughts Notorious on the news reports of indoctrination

at the academies by humiliation, i.e. force to be xian. Bush's crusade. He meant it. The sunuvabitch.

[Pallas180]

37. More along the same line:

"WASHINGTON - The first-place Washington Nationals got an unexpected visitor when they returned to RFK Stadium on Friday night after a nine-game road trip: President Bush.
Bush was joined by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, brother Marvin Bush and the president's nominee as U.S. ambassador to France, Craig Stapleton — a Bush cousin by marriage."

Has anybody asked if "Bush cousin by marriage" is qualified for this post? No, I bet not. Just another piece of cornering the chess board - and the media, meaning tv where most get their news, says not a word about it...or for that matter about Cheney's hospital visit.

maybe the only thing we could do is e mail CNN and MSNBC and the major 3 stations and ask them why ???

[Eloriel]

34. Link, Pallas?

Please.

[Pallas180]

36. Eloriel, go to Starcats and it is a guest author - of course

I forget the name, but you can't miss it, she's showcasing the piece.

[Eloriel]

42. You can't provide a link to starcats?

You violate DU's copyright guidelines by posting way more than 4 paragraphs and you can't even provide a link to the home page of the site where the article can be found?

Edited: http://www.starcats.com/ is the personal site of a California astrologer -- and I did NOT find the article you posted on that site. If it's there, perhaps you can find it for us?

[robertarctor]

43. I had no problem finding it.

The article ...

http://www.starpathvisions.com/Whatmoontellsme.html

... can be found at this page at Starcats ...

http://starcats.com/toc.html

[Pallas180]

45. Thanks Robert.

:shrug:

[Pallas180]

46. Eloriel,

A) to my knowledge the piece was not copywrited

B) I'm surprised you don't know how to go to www starcats com by now

C) or at least to google starcats

D) I'm also surprised that you are still trying to get links out of me after all these years. It must be obvious to everyone that I'm not good at linking..

E) makes me wonder if you have Pluto in Virgo .

and D) if you really wanted a link, you would have put it up for everyone as Robert did.

The best I can do is point to the site. I hope you'll keep that in mind and stop asking me for links.

:hi:

[NJCher]

38. another attack on the U.S. people?

I don't think so. Does anyone really think people will rally round the flag after another attack? I can't see that scene repeating itself. Too much under the bridge.

Now, rallying around the flog, that's another issue.


Cher

[Dover]

40. Well......depends on how desperate they are and how much pressure

they are receiving from their corporate/oil backers to stay in Iraq.
Huge amounts of money already invested, any so many lives (though they could care less about the people).

They are in a huge predicament...they have lost the public support, but to pull out would be mean a surrender of their goals and political defeat. Actually, they are faced with political defeat whatever they do at this point. I'm expecting something desperate, though I have no idea what it might be. Everyone's on to their game.

[Pallas180]

41. Cher, those in the WH & DC are out of touch with reality, and or

don't care about reality...they are in power - the war is being lost - another vieetnam, and they are re-assuring how the US is winning it and the "insurgents" are in their death throes.

Bush is running around making more press conferences and appearances to propragandize how everything is wonderful - and no one around them
(barely General Abizaid) has the guts to tell Dickhead the puppeteer and the puppet that the King is wearing no clothes.

One must realize these people who live in their isolated la la land are fully capable of doing another 9 11 and worse to hold the sheeple in place and in support of the great emperor.

The ONLY thing that would spare us that, is someone in the CIA or Military who realizes the madness of this crew.

[NEOBuckeye]

44. I'm sure many in govt. and the military already do realize their madness.

But they may be as clueless as we are as to how anyone can legally go about stopping the Bushistas.

The efforts of Rep. John Conyers towards shedding light upon the Downing Street Memos have been a significant step in the right direction towards bringing the Bush Administration to justice. Unfortunately, it's all the more painfully obvious right now that Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and the rest of the US Founders never anticipated that such a damaging, destructive force as the Bush Cabal and its' backers would infiltrate and overrun at once, nearly all branches and aspects of our government. Bush himself could have personally gone on a murderous rampage on the streets of America and Iraq, killing thousands of people with his own hands, but as long as his Republican Party controls both chambers of Congress, they would never allow him to be impeached and removed from office in the name of either decency or justice. Sadly, the Founding Fathers never anticipated the essence of this situation, much less the need for a way out of it.

I honestly don't know if another "9/11" level event would have the intended effect of bringing the entire country back into the fold. My sincere HOPE would be that the American people have awakened sufficiently to smell something very foul over the timing of such an event, and turn up the heat on Bush and Cheney, openly blaming them instead for making or allowing it to happen, and further laying on the pressure by marching in Washington.

What I think needs to happen soon: A sudden surge/spike in oil prices to $4.00+ a gallon. The tempers of Americans will flare up big time over the increased pinch in their pocketbooks, and they will immediately look to The Powers That Be for relief -- namely Bush and the GOP. When neither Bush or the GOP respond with concern for ordinary Americans, out of their close ties to Big Oil and the pervasive, childish Republican need to avoid admitting error for anything, social conditions will degrade, people will take to the streets in protest, and calls for Bush's removal from office will escalate. The entire Neo-Conservative/Dominionist paradigm will come under scrutiny and fire, to be thoroughly exposed and discredited for the utter and useless tripe that it is.

[ebayfool]

47. Pallas, today's Starcat posting is great! She says that 'the Generals are

rethinking Bush's Iraq war and their conclusions are not confidence inspiring.'

Followed your earlier post @ her site (love it!) & checked back on it.
First thing I see?

(bold highlighting is mine)
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You've Been Waiting For Me To Say This:

Bush Nears Tipping Point. It's Downhill From Here.
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snip/

Bush will make a speech to the country to drum up support for his middle east adventuring in Iraq on Tuesday, June 28th (1 year anniversary of the hand-over of Iraq back to the Iraqis). It "fits" that the Ascendant for the speech chart (8:00 PM, Fort Bragg, North Carolina) is 0 Capricorn. The Midheaven (at 19 Libra) is in the degree of the transiting nodes which are rapidly retrograding to a conjunction with the USA's PROGRESSED Mars (18 Libra). The USA's Mars is set to go retrograde for 80 YEARS in 2006.

Any planets impacting the Lunar Nodes in mundane astrology (and planets hitting critical solsticial degrees: 0 Cancer, 0 Libra, 0 Capricorn & 0 Aries) are destined to play themselves out dramatically and with a "fated" quality, on the world stage. The end of Bush's adventuring was set in the beginning. That which is born in hubris ends in failure. Hence, it may be that the Goddess Nemesis is stirring herself awake.
-------

And ... she has Rove nailed, too! I swear, Starcat looks like a DUer!

http://starcats.com/newsmakers_junerove.html

&

http://starcats.com/toc.html

snip/

For Asteroid watchers: Nemesis is currently at 5 degrees Cancer -- conjunct the USA's conquering "manifest destiny" Jupiter and "gimme bling-bling" Venus. For Karl Rove watchers, Nemesis is already opposing his progressed "I'm a radical reformer" Uranus and is creeping ever closer to oppose his natal Uranus. Nemesis demands an accounting for arrogance. Uranus is that proverbial reversal of fortune.

Rove's Capricorn Sun (3 degrees of the sign) was sorely impacted by the Cancer Solstice and Full Moon of June 20-21, 2005. So was his Chiron at 0 Capricorn. Right there in what we call "solsticial degree." This points to a profound wounding of and to power and authority.



:woohoo:

[Pallas180]

48. DJ, Starcats ( Claudia) was DU before DU existed :), Thanks

for the news....I'll go over to the charts and study...Nemesis asteroid is new to me and sounds interesting..

Caution about Rove's Uranus/Uranus ( I have never seen Uranus as a reversal of fortunes..just as a major surprise, big change, the unexpected .

since he's one of the puppeteers, this is a delicate situation.
Uranus can be rebellion, but Uranus can also describe his (and therefore dimbot's dictatorial ways and means.

My caution is could "Nemesis/Uranus" work an opposite way for us'n meaning activate their declaring martial law (dictatorship/Uranus) in their desperation.

I think it could go either way...but I'd like to study the chart.



Definitions of "Nemesis", both the word and the mythology

nem·e·sis (nm-ss)
n. pl. nem·e·ses (-sz)
1. A source of harm or ruin: Uncritical trust is my nemesis.
2. Retributive justice in its execution or outcome: To follow the proposed course of action is to invite nemesis.
3. An opponent that cannot be beaten or overcome.
4. One that inflicts retribution or vengeance.
5. Nemesis Greek Mythology The goddess of retributive justice or vengeance.

(n) bane, curse, scourge, nemesis (something causes misery or death) "the bane of my life"

[Dover]

50. Wasn't Claudia the astrologer who had predicted the dark version

of the Bush ascent to power? Seems like astrologers were writing her off because it wasn't fitting in with their more victorious predictions for the Dems. And it was, indeed, despressing to go there with her.....

I hadn't realized that U.S.'s Mars was about to do a reversal for 80 years!!! That's significant! And it makes total sense, after our intensely agressive war-filled history, to have that energy turned inward for awhile.

[Pallas180]

51. Dover, Claudia is quite good, & the Mars major Retro deserves

a good look over... a new subject/topic, yes?

[Dover]

54. Yes, a good topic in general.

Just to begin to think about all the characteristics of Mars and the distoritions of its energies as well. And about what a retrograde of those energies might mean for the U.S. on whatever level we experience it.

I'm going to have to start reading Claudia's stuff more often.

[Pallas180]

49. More on Rove and Chiron

from a Starcats commentary:

"the fact that his Chiron (Wounded-Healer) function is not only in the 9th House of Morals, Ethics, Courts but that it's in the very sign of all such things, Saggittarius,"

As you know the 9th house is also foreign affairs, overseas.

And I dont define Chiron as the wounded healer, but as the wounder and where the wounding takes place.

Certainly,"the brains" behind the dimbulb has wounded foreign countries: Iraq, "freedom fries France, and used religion (9th house) to wound the country, as well as the Courts (9th) to wound the country, as in corporations and real estate developers now have the right to take your home or any privately owned land if they can promise more revenue to the county or town than the private home-owner.

[Pallas180]

52. Remember, this is exactly what dimbot & rove did in texas, took private

land of homeowners to make their baseball stadium, lifted safeguards on water and air for the benefit of big business, raised the levels of danger for water and air (leading to strange births in both humans and animals) and left Texas bankrupt.

I left out what he did to education, because that's something I'm not up on in Texas, but I suspect Texas was just a practice try-out for the U.S. and of course Jeb has done similar in Florida- "no child left behind" means kids here are studying for Neil Bush's test and nothing else, there is not time to teach them reading, writing, rithmatic, an acquaintance who is a teacher tells me. Also the (sugar)company that polluted Lake Okeechobee no longer has to clean it up immediately as ordered by the Courts...Jeb has overridden that..they have 10 to 20 years to continue polluting .

[2Design]

53. someone else recently told me that -

they said that is how * got his money

they used eminet domain and got all the land around the stadium and then sold it for a profit

[Pallas180]

55. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED

BY THE AUTHOR

[Dover]

58. A Secret Meeting of Men Responsible For Executive Decisions

In keeping with the theme of the original post, and the darker side of Saturn's transit through sunny Leo, which can manifest as a desire for ultimate authority, this Sabian Symbol for the 29+ degree of July's Capricorn Full Moon on the 21st makes alot of sense. I was contemplating this Sabian symbol back in 1997-8 when Neptune was going over this point, and Clinton was being hobbled and slandered by a surprisingly aggressive and ugly element of the Republican Party. Neptune added a flavor of secrecy to the transit which I found particularly troubling. Little did I know then the full extent of Neptune's dissolution of not just the office of the presidency but the greater institution which was our government and its laws (helped in no small measure by Pluto's effect on the national chart). So what is in store now that this sensitive degree of Capricorn is again a focal point (albeit of short duration)? With Pluto lining up its sites on Capricorn in a few years, I can only guess that we are not yet even close to the final chapter of this page turning novel of our great nation's transformation.

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A Secret Meeting of Men Responsible For Executive Decisions in World Affairs.

The power to assume responsibility for crucial choices arrived at after mature discussions with those who share this power.

We are all aware now of the work of secret committees in the White House and at all levels of government. The student of esoteric philosophy believes in the existence of what has been called an "inner Government" which has the power to direct or guide the evolution of our planet and of mankind. so people speak of "occult Hierarchy" or of the "White Lodge". Here again what is at stake is a "seeing through" the facts of telluric processes and human history - assumint that these facts are at least in part the outcome of the decisions of a supreme Council of quasi-divine Beings. Obviously the symbol can also refer to what occurs at the more ordinary level of business and politics. At any level, it refers to the highest form of social interaction.

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SATURN INTO FIERY LEO: 2005 – 2007
all that glistens is not gold...

Every two and a half years, the underlying karmic structure of our lives is changed by the transit of Saturn, Lord of Karma, into a new sign of the zodiac. Richard Giles, astrologer and Feng Shui expert, gives us the good oil on the transit of Saturn through Leo over the next two and a half years.

On July 16th 2005, Saturn, which rules earthy Capricorn, leaves its opposite sign Cancer and moves into the fire sign of Leo. During the period of Saturn in Cancer (mid 2003 – mid 2005), world leaders adopted a particularly parental attitude towards their citizens. With those parental principles emphasised, it has been a time when governments took the position that they know "what's best for their children", their population. Thus, many rigid rules and laws were passed even more repressive and restrictive than usual, all with the notion that its for everyone's "own good". These new rules were designed to protect people from "harm". But how do people react when their rights and freedoms are restricted, even in the name of safety or concern? How do adults react when their leaders treat them like children? We'll see as Saturn moves into Leo in July 2005.

Today there's an atmosphere of fear – fear of terrorism, fear of refugees, fear of the USA, fear of Arabs, fear of anyone outside the normal boundaries. Only through the care of their leaders, could people be "protected" and made safe. Anybody who opposed them was seen as a danger to that frail stability that their leaders maintained. To vote them out meant that you were risking a great and nameless danger.

With Saturn's shift in 2005, roles will start to reverse and people may begin to see and treat their leaders like children. Leo rules children, who are the creative issue of their parents (the leaders). With this role reversal, so will the previous balance of security of those in positions of leadership, and many will be severely criticised and challenged.

Leos Like Authority
Leos tend to be bossy and like having their own way as much as Saturn likes authority. This can signal clashes as those in authority try to squelch the natural exuberance of people who are exerting their good nature or their native creativity. Saturn is the planet of control and structures, as well as wisdom and maturity. Demands for personal freedoms, restructuring of old political systems and the right to be one's own self, will increase. In particular, government and corporate practices will be under profound scrutiny. Check to see where Leo is positioned in your chart, and see who in authority you might tangle with over the next couple of years...cont'd

http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn2005.html