JonBenet Ramsey case reopened. Have any psychics in the

[amitten]

house ever gotten any vibes about this case?

I find it extremely troubling that she was made into a child sex-object, and that her abuser and killer has never been brought to justice (autopsy report shows that she was a victim of ongoing sexual abuse).

:grr: :grr: :grr:

On Edit: I'm not trying to inject the tabloids into this forum--I just find sexual child abuse to be the most upsetting crime of all, and I HATE thinking of anyone getting away with it.

[Celebration]

1. well I did find this

A new magazine, Precognito (psychic magazine?), apparently covers this

http://eworldwire.com/pressreleases/19306

Weird time to start a new magazine, but what do I know?

"I'm thrilled to hear that the Boulder County district attorney has recently re-opened this case, as it's bothered me for years, and, in my opinion, is a sad reflection on the American mainstream media practice of 'shoot now, ask questions later'," says Precognito Editor Kim Stempien. "While I understand the need to sell advertising, I think there's a point when the media has to draw the line and say, enough is enough."

On newsstands now, Precognito's January issue provides information on the JonBenet Ramsey case that was widely overlooked and drowned out by the media's feeding frenzy on John and Patsy Ramsey - the child's parents. There was one, fairly obvious suspect that authorities quickly dismissed and never revisited. "I'm anxious to see whether he, and others, will finally be investigated as they should have been years ago," says Stempien.

[amitten]

2. Thanks. I'm also interested in hearing if any DU'ers had any

vibes about this. They seem to be pretty accurate a lot of the time! :-)

Also, I'm not looking to flame anyone for their opinions. One opinion is just as vaild as another at this point, IMHO. But I feel very unsettled thinking about the JonBenet case. I feel it is "meant to be" that the killer be found and punished--I think that's part of why the case has been reopened after all these years.

[NJCher]

3. Precognito

http://www.precognito.com/free_magazine/Precognito%20oct_nov07_sample.pdf



Cher

[crikkett]

22. well, it is a mag about precognition...

"Weird time to start a new magazine, but what do I know? "

well, it is a mag about precognition... I guess they'd know...

[southerncrone]

4. I had never heard this......

autopsy report shows that she was a victim of ongoing sexual abuse

Seems that would have been kept in the media light for ages. Obviously it wasn't, as I followed the case as much as anyone back in the day, & I never heard this.

Link?

[amitten]

5. I heard it on the news yesterday, and during the whole media

frenzy Vanity Fair did an article about her (years ago) and I think that was in the article.

Poor child had chronic urinary tract irritation and problems urinating as well, warranting something like thirty doctor's visits over a couple of years, if I'm remembering right. Probably due to the chronic abuse. Something was not right in that poor little girl's life.

I remember watching a news clip of JonBenet after her death, doing a very "adult" song/dance pageant routine. My Mom (who loves kids) was watching and said, "That girl wasn't a little girl anymore." I knew what she meant: You could tell by JonBenet's general demeanor/energy that she already had adult sexual knowledge. The whole thing makes me sick. :cry:

I hope to hell they find who did it, and that it sets an example for all the sickos out there that victimize the innocent.

[Why Syzygy]

6. It was reported at the time

that she had a bed wetting issue. There was also suspicion that her death may have been caused by over "disciplining" her for it, which was denied.

[amitten]

7. Yes, She had not only a bed-wetting issue, but chronic

irritation/infections as well. Not normal for a healthy little girl.

Edit to add: The infections were all bladder infections.

[southerncrone]

8. I certainly don't want to defend any sicko that might have been

serially molesting her, but urinary infections can be caused by bubblebaths, too, if you are allergic to the bubble stuff. Just sayin', but surely her doctors would have quizzed the mother about that type of thing to eliminate it quickly, if they were any kind of decent doctor.

Guess I just don't want to think about the 'horrible' option. :cry:

[amitten]

9. I know, but I think the "horrible" option is probably correct,

especially since the autopsy found a history of sexual abuse, as opposed to a one-time violation.

And yes, one would think that after many frustrating doctor's visits, bubble baths would certainly have been avoided.

[davsand]

10. I remember reading that autopsy report online and the scarring was reported there.

The autopsy reported scarring in the genitals and reproductive tissues that was "consistent with" ongoing sexual abuse.

That poor baby was a sex object from the get-go, I think. I always kinda thought that mom had some pretty serious issues to have allowed her daughter to have been objectified like that, and I always kind of wondered if the mom either knew about or even maybe participated in the abuse. Very sick people, and it troubles me to dwell on it to this day.

Too many broken souls and I can only hope that peace comes to them one day.



Laura

[Celebration]

11. evidence, etc.

I haven't closely followed this case, but I do know that there is conflicting evidence. On the one had there is this forensic evidence that you detail, and on the other hand there is DNA evidence that shows unknown DNA that is involved. So that is enough to have reasonable doubt. It might not be either/or. It might be an "and".

I do wish one of the psychic detectives would get on the case. (I know that it this is not my thing.)

There is so much suffering and it is needless and it is handed down generations.

[amitten]

12. On that note, I was very disturbed by some mother/daughter pics

I saw published during the whole fiasco in the news.

It was Patsy and JonBenet, both apparently shirtless, photographed from only the shoulders up. Both were in full sex-kitten hair and makeup (heavy eyeliner, lipgloss, etc.). They were posed with their heads touching, staring into the camera expressionless, with parted lips.

They were very suggestive, sultry-looking sorts of pictures. But they were supposed to be mother-daughter portraits. Very, very, VERY strange. I have never seen anything like it--not even close.

That said, I have no inkling who the girl's killer actually was. But I do believe the family was less than normal, to put it lightly. I had a normal childhood, and I can't imagine my mother ever wanting to pose with me in such a manner.

[Why Syzygy]

13. amitten..

No psychic impressions. Do you know, though, if there was ever any indication of extra-marital affair by John?

Not tabloid at all. There are very reputable sources:
(first I recall seeing the ransom note)
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/02/jonbenet-ramsey.html
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_11610609
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Sources&usg=__lXJrrKb8T18xvIYp-sfbTZcvVBA=
http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=91457

edit to add final link

[amitten]

14. Thanks for the links...I'll look at them. And no, I never heard

anything about any extra-marital affairs. I know that in general they are more common among rich men, though--especially those that do a lot of business travel. (According to studies I've read about.)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

15. I remember the interview with the first detective to show up.

She was on 60 Minutes, I think.

She radioed for backup and the Boulder PD would NOT send any reinforcements for several hours.

The woman had obviously been threatened with her life. I have never seen anyone so scared being interviewed on TV.

[BlueIris]

16. Ever looked at Jon Benet Ramsey's natal chart? That pretty much says it all. nt

[Why Syzygy]

17. Please elaborate?

:hi:

[BlueIris]

18. Here is the chart, via Astrodatabank. (Warning: the link leads to graphic and upsetting material.)

No photos, but the chart and Astrodatabank posters' discussion of her astrology are both disturbing.

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/Feedback.asp?ChartID=25622

[amitten]

19. Personal opinions about the killer aside, what specifically

is disturbing about JonBenet's own chart?

Does it indicate a life of suffering somehow? I can't read charts.

[Why Syzygy]

20. Thank you, BI.

Since I can't read charts, I wouldn't know what is considered disturbing. I'm reading the comments now.
There are the comments about someone close, 'neighbor', etc. When I read the ransom note, I got a strong sense of a jilted lover (John's). The note's sig "SBTC" can be found in a text from the 1800s referring to just such a thing. (so be the child)

[Why Syzygy]

21. This makes more sense

re: SBTC (there are LOTS of websleuths)

S.anta B.arbara T.ennis C.lub is what S.B.T.C. stands for! Michael's friend bought the shirt at this Tennis club a year earlier! Santa Barbara Tennis Club part of sports complex that went bankrupt soon after.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=964071&postcount=1

[crikkett]

23. Wow that's a tough room over there.

It's much friendlier here.