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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:33 AM
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Sacred Geometry, Cymatics (shape of sound), Light &...Crop Circles.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 01:34 AM by Dover
The harmony of the spheres.....

IS SOUND BEHIND THE CREATION OF CROP CIRCLES?



...The geometric component.

Look through 20 years of aerial photos of these agriglyphs and it is hard to deny their melodic precision, their circular forms resplendent with abstract, yet harmonic waves of invisible energy. Hardly surprising, then, to discover crop circle designs flaunting the principles of sacred geometry, either visually or veiled within the construction blueprint, much in the same way ancient esoteric knowledge was hidden within the framework of religious fables or monuments.

In his visionary work, The Sophistication of Agriglyth Geometry, John Martineau was perhaps the first to visualise this coded information in the early phases of the phenomenon; my own dissections of aerial photographs also prove the same to be true of designs in recent years. Even what sometimes appear to be loose or random elements both within and beyond the perimeter of formations- such as small unconnected circles or 'grapeshot', and rectangular boxes- are placed along an invisible matrix of pentagonal and hexagonal alignments based on proportional geometry and Golden Mean ratios.


In Science News (Feb. 92), Prof. Hawkins went a step further by using the principles of Euclidean geometry to prove that four theorems could be derived from the relationships among the elements in crop circles. More significantly, he discovered a fifth theorem from which he could derive the other four. Despite an open challenge, tens of thousands of subscribers to both Science News and Mathematics Teacher were unable to create such a theorem, which Euclid himself had only hinted at twenty-three centuries earlier. It subsequently appeared as flattened barley at Litchfield, England, in 1995.

The sound component.

Ancient Greeks once remarked that "geometry is frozen music". To their Egyptian teachers, sacred geometry and music were inextricably linked since the laws of the former govern the mathematical intervals that make up the notes in the western music scale- the diatonic ratios. Coincidentally, Hawkins' Euclidean theorems had also produced diatonic ratios. So for the first time, geometric theorems were linked with music and crop circles were proved to contain musical notes, which are themselves the by-product of the harmonic laws of sound frequency.


The fields themselves offered blatant clues pointing to a sound component. In 1996 a crop circle demonstrated the combination of two important figures, the 3, 4, 5 triangle and the Golden Mean, which gives us the diagram necessary to produce musical ratios (as exemplified in The Divine Proportion by H.E. Huntley).

Then, an outstanding formation at Goodwood Clatford- which had its plants bent six inches from the top - gave the proverbial nod to sound. For here was a representation of a cymatic pattern in 5000 sq. ft of barley. And it led straight to a smoking gun. ..
cont'd

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/sounds1.html

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The Process of Creating Light From Sound


Vaporization of water is crucial to the way crop circles are formed. In the case of plants and their water-filled stems, sound waves are capable of traveling through the liquid like ripples, compressing and expanding it. Because of the accompanying increase in pressure, the velocity of sound in liquid rises, and in the case of water it is extremely rapid (1,480 meters/second to the power of minus 1). This creates heat, tearing apart the water molecules, forming vapor and creating a void inside the plants that collapses the area instantaneously as the energy is released (Blitz 1971).

The action, called vapor cavitation, creates local temperature increases of 5000 degrees-K for a fraction of a second. This is enough to bend stems, particularly around the base, where the greatest concentration of water exists. Such extreme heating may explain the burn marks found on crop circle plants, as well as the missing water and usually dry soil.

..snip..

Labratory experiments exploiting the rapid heating and cooling of infrasonic cavitation to synthesize amorphous iron show that the iron does not crystallize as it cools; instead, it forms an amorphous iron powder like a very soft ferromagnet (Suslick, et al 1991). When Levengood analyzed the curious substance from the crop circle it turned out to be amorphous iron whose magnetization had been sufficient for a small horseshoe magnet to pick up the wheat heads and stems.

There's one more feature of these sonic frequencies that may help us understand the nature of that other anomoly of crop circles, the tubes of light. Light and sound may seem incompatible at first; after all, unlike the transverse electrmagnetic waves that make up light, sound is an acoustic wave comprised of nodes and anti-nodes (peaks and troughs) which travel longitudinally. Light is both wave and particle, and since every particle is in a state of vibration, its very movement creates a sound.

Conversely, sonic frequencies are known to create light. Laboratory experiments show that the high-intensity sound fields responsible for vapor cavitation are capable of emitting visible light (Barber and Putterman 1991; Berthelot 1988). This sound-to-light process is called sonoluminescence, and it is thought to be caused by the production of electrical discharges as water vapor is ionized. And the lower the operating frequency, the greater the effect (Barber and Putterman, 1991).

However, this may not be the only way to get light out of sound. Jonathan Goldman, sound therapist and pioneer in the field of harmonics, was visiting at the Palenque complex in Mexico when he was given access to a temple normally off limits to the public. Inside a pitch-dark chamber deep inside the temple, he was instructed by his guide to tone the chamber with his voice. As he did so, the chamber became noticeably lighter, to the point where coutlines of the other members of Goldman's group could be seen (Goldman 1992).

Certainly there exists a symbiotic relationship between sound and light. As noted earlier, the process of creation as represented by the tetractys requires the presence of both sound and light. In Egyptian cosmology, Atum Ra, the Sun god, is said to have created the Universe with a "cry of light". In Greek philosophy, logos, which means "word" and "sound", constitutes the controlling principle of the Universe as manifested by speech. according to paleolinguist Richard Fester, the owrds logos, loud, light and beginning are all derived from the primal root leg, and its mirror, regh. Therefore, "light", "sound" and "beginning" fundamentally occur at the same moment (Fester 1981).

Sound travels 40 octaves slower than visible light and it travels fastest through copper, the prime material carrier of electricity. The "slowing down" of light frequencies generates the colors of the visible spectrum, which in turn correspond to notes in the music scale. Therefore, sound can be construed to be the material carrier of light.

-- From the book, Secrets In The Fields, by Freddie Silva (pgs. 217-219)

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:48 AM
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1. you know crop circles were made by a couple guys, right?
they demonstrated how they did it - pretty quick too.

i'll try to find a link for you.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:54 AM
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2. here you go - link
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:06 AM by kineta
http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html


<snip>
The nocturnal pastime of circle making was made popular by the work of two Hampshire-based artists, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley. For over 12 years their simple circle sets attracted the interest of scientists world-wide. During this time other artists began to emulate them, eventually superseding them, and continued a chain reaction - mutating from the UFO lore from which it still suckles and, in turn, nourishes - to become what is arguably the most mysterious 'tactile- paranormal' phenomenon this century. In 1991, Doug & Dave's claim to original authorship created an atmosphere well known to theological sociologists; that discomfirmation can lead to strengthened belief. Consistent with previous millenial activity, the religious use of pseudo science to plot our destiny has reached another high... the circles have become signs and portents of our time.


or here:
http://ufos.about.com/library/weekly/aa060401a.htm

Look up Doug Bower and Dav Chorley for more info. As a sometime guerrilla artist I stand in awe of what they did.

and finally - how to make one yourself (with nice photos):
http://science.howstuffworks.com/crop-circle5.htm
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:51 AM
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3. Kineta, some circles are undoubtedly the work of plankers BUT noone
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:54 AM by cryingshame
has ever produced a crop circle on demand that exemplifies all the traits that define a "true" crop circle.

This includes precise alignment and execution as well as stalks bent and altered in particluar ways.

There are serious discussions amongst those studying crop circles about which may or may not be authentic. A lot of people don't attribute crop circles to "aliens". The article opening this post talks about sound which doesn't need an alien "being" to produce it.

There's a lot of hostility towards anything that goes beyond the coffin Establishment Science lives in. And there's a LOT of bullshit from wannabe "debunkers" too.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:45 PM
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4. There is an implicit skeptic/debunker assumption
They won't state it or admit it but it's there, particularly in this story about crop circles. The assumption is this:
If somebody somewhere sometime can fake a phenomenon (that the skeptics disapprove of), then that proves that all alleged instances of the phenomenon anywhere any time are fakes.

So two guys in England fake a crop circle. Some other people in other places copycat them. That proves that all cases all over the world, even before the two fakers in England went public, are fakes.

If the Not-So-Amazing Randi fakes a demonstation of psychic phenomena, that proves that all instances of psychic phenomena are fakes.

I've never paid much attention to crop circles and don't have any well-formed opinions about them, but just logically it seems like an extraordinary stretch of belief to claim that these two fakers from England prove anything at all about all previous and later instances of crop circles all over the world. Sometimes "scientific" "logic-driven" skeptics are so unscientific and ignore logic.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:38 PM
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5. Very well said.
Official "skepticism" doesn't seem to allow for an open door, or an open mind. You don't have to believe or claim that an idea is real to be targeted for "debunking." All you have to do is leave the door open for future exploration and new information. Open doors and open minds are somehow construed to be a threat.

I don't have an opinion on crop circles either way; I'm fascinated by them, I'm curious about them, and I think they are beautiful regardless of how they were created or who they were created by. I'm interested in all the theories out there about what (besides pranksters)produces them.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:16 AM
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7. More well said stuff here, LWolf.
I too am fascinated with all phenomena - explained or mysterious - and have no beliefs in these things besides having that open mind to endless possiblities.

DemEx

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 06:40 PM
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8. When the farmers tried to sue these two guys, they recanted?
Also some of the circles are too complex to be hoaxes.
Also strange radiation and metal deposits...
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:42 AM
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6. This is fascinating
I have listened to "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking. I did not understand all of it, but I listened.

I've been fascinated by the assertion that mathematics and music are the "same". I kinda don't get it completely. I can see the rhythm aspect. Is that it?

After reading this, I think there is much much more.
Nice topic, Dover. Will get a lot of us thinking.

I have no clue what crop circles are. I don't believe they are all the works of plankers. Not sure I "believe" in aliens. Not willing to rule anything out. ... caveat ... I have ruled out "religion" as a viable means to a peaceful life. I prefer the "open door" approach to life. Religion closes the door. ... full disclosure ...

I'm fascinated by the "time" concept. The skeptics can skep all they want. I read their stuff from time to time because they are kinda cute and funny. Like a pet. They can come down on "woo woos" all they want. In fact, I have started referring to myself with that term, and all my friends know EXACTLY what I mean. I do not hide my being. I'll take the compliment, thank you.

But "time". I dig and hang out with these guys who are all scientific, and I love it. They are the "engineer" types. Einstein, Newton, String Theory, etc.. So, I told one of them that I believe it is possible that we live in "parallel universes". That's a completely physics therom. It has nothing ... yet EVERYTHING ... to do with woo woo. He thought I had some mystical intent. Not at all. I explained to him how if we are all traveling the speed of light, there is no "past" .. no "future" .. it is NOW!
And who knows how fast we are "traveling"? I think it's the speed of light.

I love thinking about this stuff.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 10:20 PM
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9. wanted to link this to the Meeting Room thread before its too late...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x43697

Since the future of the MR is again uncertain, I wanted to link to Dover' s other thread on this subject....

Also copied my post from that thread below.


Sacred Geometry Home Page http://www.intent.com/sg /

In nature, we find patterns, designs and structures from the most minuscule particles, to expressions of life discernible by human eyes, to the greater cosmos. These inevitably follow geometrical archetypes, which reveal to us the nature of each form and its vibrational resonances. They are also symbolic of the underlying metaphysical principle of the inseparable relationship of the part to the whole. It is this principle of oneness underlying all geometry that permeates the architecture of all form in its myriad diversity. This principle of interconnectedness, inseparability and union provides us with a continuous reminder of our relationship to the whole, a blueprint for the mind to the sacred foundation of all things created.



He starts with the Sphere, goes on to the Circles & pi through the square root of 2,
the Golden Ratio
pentagrams, pyramids and Fibonacci series....

I've been working with the Vesica Piscis quite frequently in my art recently that has been sent to Glastonbury, UK , where it is considered a sacred symbol in many ancient places there.

The Vesica Piscis is formed by the intersection of two circles or spheres whose centers exactly touch. This symbolic intersection represents the "common ground", "shared vision" or "mutual understanding" between equal individuals. The shape of the human eye itself is a Vesica Piscis. The spiritual significance of "seeing eye to eye" to the "mirror of the soul" was highly regarded by numerous Renaissance artists who used this form extensively in art and architecture. The ratio of the axes of the form is the square root of 3, which alludes to the deepest nature of the triune which cannot be adequately expressed by rational language alone.

He continues with spirals and toroids and fractals & recursive geometries...right triangles and platonic solids ...


Math link for Platonic And the 13 Archimedean Solids
http://www.intent.com/sg/polyhedra.html

So much here...wow...cool site.

I love the Flower of Life myself...


Indelibly etched on the walls of temple of the Osirion at Abydos, Egypt, the Flower of Life contains a vast Akashic system of information, including templates for the five Platonic Solids. The background graphic for this page is a repetitive hexagonal grid based on the Flower of Life.
Metatrons Cube is pretty cool, too.
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There are some good links on his page. You can see how these sacred geometric patterns are integral to the crop circles.

I really do feel that symbols reach us on many different levels.


:) DR
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:23 PM
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10. Kick
:D
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