Out of Body Experiences

[kentauros]

I haven’t seen a thread on this topic for a while and we can include NDEs in the discussion :D

I’ve had them since I was 16, though in recent years, not much at all. Perhaps I’m beyond the “need” for them, or my I’m not trying hard enough ;) I had never heard of them until I was looking through what passed for the New Age section of my high school’s library of 1977 and found some old case-study books on Astral Travel. I don’t know who coined the term “Out of Body Experience” but it may have been Robert Monroe. Anyway, just reading those accounts from around the turn of the 19th century seemed to trigger the experiences to begin.

I’ve only had a handful of unusual experiences while out, over all these years, with one that I’m still not sure if it was an OBE or some other similar experience. None of the two times I’ve been close to death have triggered an NDE, so I still don’t have any personal idea of what that’s like. If you’ve had either, let’s share our experiences :)

At one point in learning more from the Monroe books, I asked for help once I was out. I received it almost immediately as a golden ‘portal’ in my ceiling and a muscular and bronze-tanned hand coming out of it to grasp mine. However, my fears were too great and I let go before I went into the portal. So, I don’t know what would have happened had I left the fears behind.

The other significant OBE I believe went from a dream to an experience that felt just like real waking life. It was not a lucid dream, as I have had plenty of those and know that vibration well. This experience was also different than the rest in that I found myself in the body of a large draft horse, in a field somewhere, not the US, I don’t think. It felt as if I was that great animal in every way, including the utter freedom to do as I please, much like when out of body :) So, I had fun with that, more than any dream, lucid of otherwise. Was this a “possession” or a link to another time when I was incarnated as that animal? Was it my Totem or Power Animal speaking to me or letting me see what their life was like? I remember in the Monroe books how he learned to possess other animals and even inanimate objects in a similar way. I’m still not clear what I did to have that experience, but I wouldn’t mind another like it in the future ;)

n a m a s t E r i c

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I have had one OBE

and I've always wanted to have one! I think I've tried to hard! :)

Anyway, mine came in a dream experience--my grandmother had just passed away, and I was at my parent's house for the funeral. I had traveled a long way to get there, and was taking a nap. And I was in a field of white light--and there was Gramma, who looked happy and perky. She said, "I feel much better now. I want to eat." (My grandmother was as big around as she was tall, almost--in her last illness she had stopped eating and drinking, experienced renal failure, and died.) I told her, "You can't. You're dead. You're dead. You're dead." She looked at me quizzically, then smiled, and said, "I am?"--I got the impression she was thinking "This isn't too bad!" And then I heard a WHINE- quite piercing--and then I felt a THUMP. I opened my eyes and realized I was back in my body. My grandmother was the closest friend I had growing up, and we had made a pact she would come see me after she passed (her husband had come to her in that manner two years after he died).

The only other experience that was similar, but didn't involve out of body, was when I met a minor celebrity. This person had come to me in a dream years earlier, saying he had gifts for me. I finally got to see him during a question and answer session open to the public. He looked at me during the time others were fielding questions, and suddenly I was again in a field of light--with him (which was unusual because the physical surroundings we were in were dark). We spoke for a moment or two telepathically, wishing each other well. The next thing I knew, the session was over and he had come into the audience, right up to me. He looked me in the eye and shook my hand, thanking me. Now realize that he had never met me or seen my photo --he did know of me through my work with a charity that he also supported, which was what the thanks was for. A friend who was with me started to introduce us, but when she said, "This is Ayesha", he said, "I know." He said it quite deliberately and meaningfully. I found that meeting to be most interesting, because the atmosphere of Light was again there. Could this Light be what is Real, what we are moving towards?

[Kind of Blue]

3. How wonderful, Ayeshahaqqiqa!

Isn't it incredible knowing that there is no death?

About the minor celebrity, I read in one of the Seth Books once upon a time that we not only are a part of a soul group, but that many personalities (aspects?) of One soul can incarnate at the same time. And through dreams that we could get in touch with these other parts of ourselves. Also that it's rare but not impossible to meet or be drawn to each other at some time or another. I just wonder if this is not what happened with you.

I met my paternal grandfather, who died shortly after I was born, and I think it was during an OBE while sleeping. I was a teen at the time and I woke up while taking a nap and saw an elderly man wearing a beautifully embroidered African robe, the fez, he was sitting in an intricately carved wooden chair that looked looked more like a throne. He was sitting in a ray of pure white light just smiling at me. I smiled back and he waved. Thinking it was a dream, I turned over and immediately started seeing photographs. I mean actual snap shots of a Black man with a very light skinned boy, the man with the boy at an Egyptian museum, the boy opening toys under a Christmas tree. The boy hugging a White woman, and the man with the boy paddling a row boat.

I woke up and told my parents of the two dreams. My dad said the older man fit the description of his dad. Well, later that day, my dad went to get the mail and he brought back a package from Germany sent by his estranged brother who has made his life there. They hadn't spoken to or seen each other for over 20years and my uncle was desperately trying to reconnect with his only full-blooded sibling. The package contained a letter telling my dad of his life, his wife, and his son. Also all the photos I had seen of my uncle and cousin were there, including one of my grandfather sitting in the chair taken back in the early '60s. What a day it was. I asked my dad where did grandfather get the chair and he said that my grand-dad had carved it himself from a block of wood :) My dad had never seen the only photo ever taken of him and was overjoyed to have it.

Life is filled with so many miracles :hug: And I believe the white Light is so very real.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Now THAT gave me goosebumps!

How very wonderful for you!

And you could be right about the soul groups--like you, I've read the Seth books and I remember that. Sufis also say you are connected to a chain of teachers when you are initiated, and you can call on them when you are in dire straits. I have sensed their presence at various times in my life, and I have, indeed, called upon them for help, which always comes.

[Celebration]

8. wow, what a story

Thanks for sharing!

[crikkett]

12. Wonderful!

[kentauros]

11. I have found that trying too hard to have an OBE does work against it.

Maybe the Gnosticweb videos will help you that way :)
Sometimes all it takes is a trigger on the subject to spur your body into reacting with an OBE. Reading about them when I wasn't familiar with the subject produced my first OBE. Maybe reading more about them or about NDEs would help, too.

I love this vision you had, ayeshahaqqiqa. It's a wonderful feeling when you can connect on that level with people, and I only know it through dreams. To have that while awake and in the presence of someone you've never met had to have been quite beautiful and such a thrill :)

What were your physical feelings afterwards? That is, like did you feel "great" all over, that kind of thing, and did it last, or only for the moment? I think I can already guess the emotional high you were feeling from it

[crikkett]

13. Wow.

Really! I am so impressed!

[Kind of Blue]

2. Have I got a site for you!

Just in case you haven't seen it, it's at http://www.gnosticweb.com. I've signed up for their Dreams and OBE course but I just haven't had time so far this month. I took their meditation course that for some reason made the practice easier. For years, it was real work constantly turning off thoughts, but after taking the course and still practicing, I don't know what snapped, but one day I just slipped into mindlessness. But I digress.

The courses are free and they are in the form of downloadable video instruction. There are a lot to explore on the site with fantastic forums, filled with worldwide practitioners helping each other out with each lesson. There is no religion involved, although they do have a section on Christian Gnosis but more as a way to show the historical beginnings of the religion, that was more about the practice of these mysteries and not dogma.

I've read several accounts in the forum of this hand that reaches to those who ask for help and help them out. It seems in this experience, the OBEer is in direct contact with a Guide. But there are plenty of warnings of other entities (not positive) willing to cause disruptions. So there's always good grounding work advised before the attempts. From the accounts, the golden arm is a powerfully positive Guide.

Furthermore, the course is also about letting go of fear, in that we OBE every night but remember those as dreams. But haven't delved too deeply yet. To me, for some reason passing away involves no fear but deliberate or spontaneous OBEs causes fear. One forum friend who I still keep contact with was shocked when she "woke up" to find two people standing in her room discussing her progress. She was so scared but did notice their distress in causing alarm before they disappeared. She tried to talk to her husband and kids but to no avail before she realized that she was out. She ran back to the room where she'd fallen asleep to see herself and then hurled herself back in. Good God!

I've posted about my NDE before and afraid to bore people to death about it. But after the experience I did try it on my own several times. And, yes!, with the help of Robert Monroe's books and his hemi-sync tapes. The first time it happened I woke up in the middle of the night to the sound of a jackhammer and I was so angry there was roadwork going on. The more I thought of the annoying sound, the lower it got. It hit me like a ton of bricks that I was snoring and making the sound! I never believed my sister, who I shared a room with as kids, that I snored. But it was awful :rofl: Freaky thing being wide awake, thinking, while listening to yourself snore.

There was no fear that time because I think I was still "in," but in the attempts of being out and walking around, I was too scared of what I might find or see. Though I know when it's happening through a dream there is no fear :crazy:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Thanks for the link!

I may well investigate this. You are right, however, about making sure your guide(s) are 100% Light. In "Letter to Robin", Harold McCoy stresses the need to program a pendulum so that only positive forces will be in control of it.

[kentauros]

6. Y'all are having these wonderful visual experiences

and I'm jealous! :P

I guess I should have said in my previous post that the majority of the time, I remain in the room and almost never venture outside. However, a few remote viewing experiences have taken me to France and a possible future as I examined some form of medical equipment. It had that look of old dental x-ray equipment, that is, like it was made of cast iron and painted dingy grayish beige ;) It even had seams with "rivets" yet it had no visible instruments coming out of it or wires attached. The shape was like a two-foot tall rectangular frame, only the framework curved in and around itself, connected in non-square ways. My remote-view was like an AutoCAD fly-thru of a building design (I don't do that kind of CAD work, but am aware of the technique.) The impression was that it was a healing device of some kind, though what kind was not apprarent nor given to me.

This is just a short reply before I comment more directly later ;)

I did look at that link, KoB, and though I thought I had seen it, I was mistaken. It is a site I will definitely go through over the weekend. The OBE videos are drawing me in... :D


Here are a few more sites I had in my bookmarks file for y'all to peruse:

http://www.godserver.com/outofbody.shtml
http://www.wirenot.net/X
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums
http://www.greaterreality.com/rv/instruct.htm
http://www.paranormal.de/para/ballabene


n a m a s t E r i c

[Kind of Blue]

7. Thanks for the links, Kentauros!

I hope you do enjoy Gnosticweb.
Same here, looking forward to a good chunk of time this weekend to click on link after link and, of course, read your stories :)
I wonder why it seemed like the future when you saw the old looking equipment? :think: Intriguing.

[kentauros]

9. KoB, I think I better describe this medical device in detail.

Mind you, I'm going on a vision description I haven't looked at in a very long time (I don't even recall now if I wrote it down or not, only that it is still very crisp in my memories.)

It's about two feet tall by a foot square. Amorphous-looking, yet has corners. It's open space inside the frame with one amorphous link coming out of one corner, two-thirds of the way up and snaking down to two of the opposite corners at the base, splitting in a "Y" about halfway down. These linked portions are thicker than the frame, though it's all very thick all the way around, maybe a couple of inches through, though it's not round. More like the branches of a tree, only in smooth metal or plastic. No power or control inputs and nothing that looks like an indication of how it works or how it heals. No outputs or similar appendages. I only recall that I did get a "feeling" it was used for medical purposes.

I probably should make a drawing of this... ;)

I didn't get to Gnosticweb because I have been dealing with root pain on one of my teeth, slated for a root canal tomorrow afternoon. Even the vicodin isn't working, though it's not a constant pain, just a piercing one every now and then. I'll just be happy when this is over with in 30+ hours :D

[Kind of Blue]

15. I know you're probably getting the tooth

worked on today so you probably won't see this. But am seeing you surrounded in Pure Healing Light for complete recovery. And I'm hoping they give you Tylenol 3 instead of that vicodin, it's just not good enough for pain, IMHO. Get well soon, Kentauros :)

[kentauros]

10. I thought I'd give a little more detail about the hand incident to this post KoB,

just so things are more directly connected ;)

Oh, I know I snore, too, partly because Saturday, somewhat deadened and "out of it" from vicodin, I pulled into the parking lot of a middle easter cafe I frequent, and had to just stop and take a nap. I kept waking myself up with my snoring!


Now, on the part about the golden hand being a Guide. Well, that's pretty much my Guide, Hans :) Although I have seen people state "matter-of-factly" that Guides are always human and can only be human, I feel they are whatever is most comfortable to us as well as what we resonate the most with. I will admit that sometimes that comes across as weird even to me ;) Still, this is the Guide that comes to mind first as his skin and musculature matches that hand as does the vibration I feel from both I know of as Hans. He is one of two Guides I have learned about over the years, and both are centaurs. One is female and I've known her ever since I started to seek out Guides and Angels.

Interestingly, my past-wife described my female Guide, Asrial (pronounced "Ahs'ree-ahl") to a T before we met in person, so I was very impressed not only with her ability, but that Asrial was as I had perceived her. So, more validation there. Hans I later met in a very powerful dream filled with the Love he had for me and in the form I see him in now. As I had not gone back over my OBEs much until this thread, it really clicked when you stated that about the hand :) Thanks for helping me make that connection :D


I guess, too, you'll just have to PM me your NDE, or get it published over at near-death.com ;)

[Kind of Blue]

14. First of all, that is the wackiest smiley I've ever seen!

:rofl: :rofl:

Centaurs! Wow, they must look magnificent. Now, I'm jealous :) Jealous of you knowing the names of your Guides, as well. That's really cool.

I totally agree about the guides, or even information, coming in the form that is comfortable. The most memorable for me was in my sophomore year in college, I had the most fantastic dream of hooking up with a few of my high school buddies. It felt so good and so real. Then the setting changed from light and breezy to dark and gloomy (I love overcast days but symbolically in dreams you know what that means). My friends got really serious and encircled me (felt like a trap) saying, someone had something to tell me. They parted to allow a hooded figure to enter the circle. Figure dropped the hood and it was my grandmother who'd past a few years before. She said, "Don't stay in the room with your friends when the fire happens," and she started sobbing. Well, before the end of the semester, one of the rooms in the dorm I was visiting and spending the night caught fire. The dorms on campus were converted apartment buildings and 3 students jumped out of the top floor, causing paralysis for at least 2 of them. It was a hideous fire.

I wondered, now why couldn't she just let me know without all the dream drama? Years later, a friend said maybe she did but I probably resisted hearing or absorbing the warning, and she had to create a comfortable setting.

It also seems dreams within dreams are a way of making me all comfortable, like getting my full attention before the real kicker.

Yes, I will PEM the NDE. I love near-death.com! :thumbsup: