Breaking up this forum will destroy it

[Nancy Waterman]

Various threads come and go. Yes, there has been less action lately, but some of it may be that people are in a funk generally with the state of things and posting less. I, personally, do not want to post on a purely astrological forum. I think the division would be unnatural. At Astroworld, which is mainly political astrology, all kinds of things are discussed including alternative health issues. If we divide up here, will we then be "forbidden" to discuss other related issues in the "all astrology" forum.

This whole thing is beginning to feel like a real power play. I don't like feeling people are trying to control me and I don't try to control others. If people want to post about some kind of spiritual path that I don't connect to, I just ignore it. If they post about astrology that I am not interested in, I ignore that too. But I do not want to see this forum destroyed. The more I think of it, the more this idea really bothers me.

[Me.]

1. D'accord Nancy

I also like what Quakerfriend said on another thread.

"At precisely this time in history scientists in all areas are exploding the boundaries of all that we sought to quantify & qualify over the past several centuries!"

[Cleita]

2. Things will work out Nancy.

You are right about the power play and there isn't much any one of us can do about it except to try to preserve what we have.

[Dover]

10. I fully intend to continue discussing astrological things here if I feel

they are pertitnent in some way to a subject or something I'm trying to express. It's part of my language, as is Tarot and I-ching.

[Eloriel]

19. Yep, me too

I no longer consider myself one of the "astrologers" here, so DR suggested that as a non-astrologer, I can make non-astrology astrology posts right here if I want. ROTFL.

[loudsue]

33. Is it against the rules if

I SECRETLY perceive of you as an astrologer? Or will that screw up your ability to post non-astrology astrology posts, and corrupt my correct "knowing" of astrology, altogether?

:rofl: What I want to know is: can it cause permanent damage??

[icymist]

3. Just like the Phoenix, something young and beautiful will arise....

If the 'pure' Astrologers wish to start their own exclusive forum, it may be a sign that such a forum is needed at this time. I wish them well. As for what's left here, we will regroup, take some deep breathes, and carry on.

[Pallas180]

4. Nancy, only 4 people post any astrol now, Spiral Hawk, Me, You,

and Dover.

Twenty Six people have signed up for an astrology only forum, a lot of them people who just dont come around to this forum anymore, and a lot of them from this forum who intend to visit both forums. I dont see why it has to be an either/or. I don't see the worry about this forum with so many topics other than astrology being destroyed.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. I like how the group is now

All combined. That way you can post various stuff.

[Matilda]

13. I support a separate Astrology group,

but that doesn't mean I won't still visit here. I don't post much
here, but I do come in read quite often. I'm sure some people will
still post about Astrology, and why not?

Surely the whole Democratic Underground site is a prime example of
people joining in to support each other in a shared political point
of view, yet there are many sub-forums now where we can all choose
to relax with those who also share a very specific interest. While
we all remain committed to the broad left-wing political agenda in
all its many facets, we can also indulge our particular passions,
political or cultural, in the more specialised meeting places. The
individual sub-forums do have a more relaxed atmosphere because
while we still might debate an issue, we know we're among friends
who really understand all the issues of that particular subject. It
becomes a little more intimate because of that, and it's nice now
and then to escape from the hurly-burly of the main forums. But
they're not destroyed because we choose to go off into our own
little rooms now and then.

So if we get an Astrology forum, can I still come and visit you here?

[Desertrose]

6. I know what you mean Nancy...

I was really bothered and saddened that certain among us felt they wanted their own forum because some others post things that don't fall in line with their expectations of what is suitable or not suitable.

I admit...it hurt....I thought we had a nice accepting place to post all sorts of things and not feel judged. I think we did have that until certain powerplays began. Too bad. I thought in an enlightened forum as this we would be immune....and for the most part I think we were. After our brutal battles with the skeptics in other forums, I felt safe here. We should all feel safe here. It should be sacred space.

But that trust unfortunately, has been shattered today. I sure didn't see it coming. But then I wasn't looking for it either. Not at all.

I don't really give a hoot about controlling anyone else but I sure as hell care when they try to control me and manipulate others.

I'm not sure exactly what the complaint was...strikes me that someone just wants a forum to themselves. I doubt I'd post there. Will probably drop in & read, but I can imagine how you are torn, Nancy. Your threads are such a great bridge between the spiritual and astrology ...and so well done....I hope you are still able to post them somehow in both forums. Save the astro one for the tech-talk maybe???? and our new metaphysical group for the more spiritual angle that doesn't seem to be particularly welcome in the new astro group. This doesn't seem fair to you at all.:grr:

My sense is that this (metaphysical) forum/group will not be destroyed...I have a feeling it may take on a whole new energy. I'm hoping that many who were made to feel uncomfortable will return. (Evidently there were way more that I ever imagined!)
That is sad....for ANYONE to be made to feel unwelcome here regardless of what they choose to post on ( well, except skeptics & naysayers of course)

I am trusting that maybe this is a good thing in the long term. I am hoping...and I am really sorry this is upsetting you. You are such a wonderful gift to us here on DU.....
:hug::loveya: DR

wanted to add on edit that if we stay together as one forum I am fine with that too and hope things will smooth out from there.

[Eloriel]

20. I think this forum has already taken on a new, more positive energy

And I thank Cleita for infusing this forum with that "moving forward," revitalized energy.

Nancy -- this forum won't be destroyed. I think it has the capacity to be immeasurably better and in fact we've already begun that process. I may miss the astrology posts, but I can always go read the other forum.

Obviously, I've already moved on in my own head. Join me, won't you? ;-)

[yellowdawgdem]

7. I agree, Nancy,

and am fairly puzzled by the antics on this forum. Possibly because I rarely post, I hadn't noticed the changes people are disturbed by, except for it seeming sort of slow. I am wondering if part of the problem is just the restructuring of du, and creating tons of groups. Maybe that has fractured some of the group flow. It really does seem like a bad idea to me to split it up into even tinier segments. I like this forum, also liked the meeting room, and would not like to see it ruined. If there is some sort of power play happening, is there any way of resolving it? I mean, does anybody have any ideas along that line?
As far as the response to weird threads or posts, that almost sounds like a republican response, in some way. I mean, I can understand the disconnect- and actually I guess I am one of the people who does post weird stuff. But there are lots of folks who consider astrology weird, and it seems almost comical to me, watching this play out, and ironic as well. I mean, it would, if it were not hurtful to individuals, and to this forum. Maybe another part of the problem is that we do not see each other face to face, therefore it is easy to misconstrue the words. Anyway, I have my fingers crossed that Skinner will disallow the split. I'm sure he would rather have 1 weirdo group than 2 weirdo groups. lol.

[robertarctor]

8. I want to stumble into a Reiki thread when looking for the astro...

...angle on the latest actions of Saturn taking the bark off Jethro Bunnypants. Why can't we just get along?

[Dover]

9. Because robert.......

statements like this tend to hurt and divide:

I agree, Pallas. Channeled rubbish.
Not a whole lot of difference there, aside from the new-age flavoring, from the old "put up with misery in this life, because your reward in heaven will be glorious" rubbish emanating from the usual heirarchic-religion suspects.

And I picked up on the Heaven's Gate vibe, too. Don't drink the Kool-Aid, kids.

And worse, it fed right into the bogus rationale given for creating a separate forum. Demonizing and ridiculing other's beliefs....haven't we seen enough of that for a lifetime?

We all have an 'inner skeptic' I suppose, and it seems to really get unleashed in anonymous, disembodied environments like the internet..and we tend to forget there is a flesh and blood person on the other end of the posts.

[robertarctor]

18. You're correct, Dover.

And I'll own that. I stepped way out of bounds by posting that. I had no business being so harshly critical of someone else's beliefs, and I should have thought twice (or once) before clicking the post button.

My apologies—to you, and to whomever was on the receiving end of my ill-conceived Virgo-rising energy.

That said, I find it remarkable that everyone is so bent out of shape here. And while I understand the desire to have an astrology-only folder, I think it's kinda cool to be able to come to a place where people are posting tarot readings and information about non-allopathic approaches to healing and things.

Peace.

[Dover]

22. I'm really not intending to single you out robert. We have likely all

done this......I know I have. And I've regretted it immediately and wished for "delete". I think it's partly a result, as I said, of the cyber environment where we become quick on the trigger without any reflection or self examination....or tolerance. Isn't it often the case that we demonize our own shadow side...project it?
Yes, there just might be a "neocon" or a "skeptic" lurking inside each of us.

So I'm just suggesting that we all try extra hard in this environment to remember our own humanity.

:hug:

[Eloriel]

21. Oh, the irony. We came HERE to get the skeptics off our backs

and keep them from harrassing us constantly. And then we promptly proceeded to breed our own, apparently. :shrug:

Rubbish indeed. I missed that post.

[Quakerfriend]

11. I am in total agreement with you, Nancy.

And, thank you for weighing in on this. Your voice is highly respected here.

[DemExpat]

12. I certainly hope not, Nancy!

And do not expect it to be destroyed.

Certainly astrological posts will still be more than welcome here. Most of us here see that all is interconnected, don't we? :-)

I too was rather shocked and initially dismayed at this new development although of course I did see that it was pretty slow in here lately - also thought just part of a cycle......

Let's hope things all work out for the best for everybody.

:hug:

DemEx

[Me.]

14. You Can't Keep People Where They Don't Want To Be

So there is a letting go process going on here. And while I had the same worry as Nancy because I found it sad that it seemed there would no longer be astrology here. But I don't think that is going to be the case now. The new mission statement being formulated doesn't preclude astrology threads and interestingly enough, an astrologer friend of mine, who has been reading the threads and posts about the dissension, believes she will be interested in joining the new group and contributing from an astrological point of view. So potentially we'll have her and Nancy, two excellent astrologers. A thought which leaves me much comforted. And who knows who else?. I've not said any other names because I don't want to speak for others. Those who want to can speak for themselves. My thought now is that this may be for the best and we will end up with a good co-hesive group that is tolerant of others and willing to explore the known and the unknown. Of course, we have yet to hear from Skinner and this conjecture may be all for nought.

[Matariki]

15. weighing in on this

I think it's an unfortunate move as well. I suspect that one or the other of the forums split from this will die a slow death. Just look at how inactive the Pagan Forum is. I'd rather one combined Metaphysical Forum where the conversations can cover a wider group of topics. DU is primarily a political site and this and the Pagan forum are little islands. Creating yet another forum with a metaphysical bent will only further the slowdown of activity.

[saracat]

16. I agree with you Nancy. I have been reading these threads and I have been

very uncomfortable with the idea of a new group for the very reasons you cite. I hope some people pay attention to your voice of reason.

[arikara]

17. Thank you Nancy

I agree. I don't post much in this forum because I am not as knowlegeable as many of the posters here and I prefer to read and learn from them.

When I go into a Metaphysical bookstore, I enjoy browsing through all the sections from astrology to tarot to Goddess to Reiki and other alternative healing. Should any of these have their own "store" so to speak, they would surely go broke because the base would be too diluted. By going into an complete Metaphysical bookstore, I might come out with a book on Astrology, a new deck of Tarot cards, and a nice crystal, none of which I had planned to buy before I went in. However, I probably would not make a special trip to a store that dealt only sold astrology.

I miss a lot of the variety that was offered before the old Meeting Room was divided up into little sections. I don't think that there should be further division.

That's my 2 cents.

[carolinayellowdog]

23. Scapegoating the weirdos

Hey,

I agree entirely, and find the dynamic at play (at least in some posts) really disappointing. Anyone who followed the skeptical attacks on astrology in The Meeting Room and elsewhere is familiar with the gist of the snottiness. "These astrologers are bunch of flaky weirdos embarrassing the rest of us and giving DU a bad name." That is how they felt, and they never shirked from expressing it relentlessly.

So when I see an astrologer saying in essence "these non-astrologers are a bunch of flaky weirdos embarrassing the rest of us and giving astrology a bad name" I get a sinking feeling. Astrology won't get any more respect from those who don't respect it by setting up a separate forum.

"I'm scientific, you're a flake" is equally snotty whether it comes from an astrologer or a skeptic. I personally ignore most of the non-astrology threads, and find it easy to do.

CYD

[magnolia]

24. I agree with Nancy.

I rarely post here but I do read a lot.

There's no reason to start a separate group.

Someone mentioned that things have slowed down. Why wouldn't they. It's summer, kids are out of school, we have gardens, we are busier and spending more time outside.

One of the things we all have in common here is that we are broad minded, curious and open to different ideas. Although I come here for the astrology (and have no trouble finding the threads) I always see other things that catch my interest...maybe feng shui or alternative healing...whatever. We are people whose ideas, beliefs and thoughts are expansive. An astrology-only thread sounds so constrictive. Like being boxed in...inside a controlled environment where we are not allowed to go off topic. NO THANKS.

On edit: Nancy...I hope you will continue to post your wonderful articles HERE. I look forward to them and the comments that follow.

[jen4clark]

26. and I agree with magnolia

I don't post much but love reading here. I love the feel here and hope it can stay as open as it is.

:grouphug:

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[KittyWampus]

28. Well, There's A World Of Difference Between Spiritual And PSYCHIC

I've posted that many times in these threads.

A lot of what gets posted here is psychic stuff which ideally would NOT be associated with something specifically headed as SPIRITUAL.

[Dover]

29. Thanks for pointing that out. Shall we add psychic to the mission

statement so that both are welcome, and so that those who don't make that same distinction won't feel that they can't post about their psychic impressions and experiences? Or are you suggesting that psychic subjects be taboo?

[Desertrose]

30. I would like to see it included

since many of us have "psychic" experiences or questions they/we might want to ask or share.

I hope we can be as inclusive as possible.....including astrology posts ( less technical) as well:)

[Nancy Waterman]

31. How about Metaphysical Matters and Altenative Healing

Metaphysical covers everything but the alternative healing

[Desertrose]

32. sounds fine to me...I am really very open about it all....but

I agree Nancy, it'd be nice to have the alternative healing kept in the title.

My one concern is that if we don't list things specifically, it can cause (more) dissension. I think most of us know what falls under the category of metaphysical but , again, look what happened with certain people who got all upset about things I felel fell well within the metaphysical category.

If it were up to me, I'd leave it all very open, but I'm not sure we can trust that will work anymore....plus, maybe the mods need more guidelines to help them do thier job fairly.

What does anyone else feel??

I guess we should add these additional ideas to the thread that has our mission statement??(hoping it isn't too late to tweak it but I can't see why it would be.)

We are just basically refining what we already have. I thinks we are basically saying & staying the same...astrology is certainly welcome & allowed here but the more "serious" and/or "technical" threads can be in their own forum,right?

[yellowdawgdem]

34. excuse me, but

I don't understand why we should change the name of our forum, since it is essentially staying the same. Since it sounds like a group of people who want astrology only are possibly starting a new group, why not just let them name theirs anything they wish, and keep ours as it is?

[loudsue]

35. BINGO!!! Yellowdawgdem got it right...absolutely.

THEY want a different forum. They can name their forum whatever they want. This forum includes Astrology, Spirituality and Alternative Healing, and it has been inclusive from the beginning. During our lengthy discussions about it, we included all of those things, BECAUSE those were the things we most enjoyed sharing in the old Meeting Room. We just didn't want to have to fight with the skeptics anymore. And most of us had been posting in the Astrology threads from waaaayyy before there was a Meeting Room.

Now that the "problem" is out in the open, I really really really hope Skinner allows the others to have the forum that will answer THEIR needs.

I know that there are some of you that want to keep the ones who want to go. I don't get the impression that they want to be kept. If they felt a resonance with the rest of us, they wouldn't WANT to go.

They want us to CHANGE, and quit posting a broad range of subjects so that they will feel more comfortable. But, then where would WE go to feel comfortable?

It seems like there is a clear outcome that each group would prefer, and they are mutually exclusive: One group wants ONLY mundane astrology. One group wants Astrology (no required modifiers, but we do enjoy a lot of the mundane), Spirituality and Alternative Healing....which includes ascension, feng shui.. and other occasional things that catch our fancy. We like the bigger picture, they like to focus in.

That wouldn't be a problem if they weren't bothered by having to skip posts that they have no interest in. But they ARE bothered by it, they say. And some of our members have been attacked viciously for posting what we want BECAUSE they are bothered by it.

If they were NOT going to attack us, I would prefer to keep it all together. But we have seen that such an outcome cannot be achieved, even after threads getting locked, posts getting deleted, and warnings issued.

I don't think the personal attacks support the "Spirituality" part of this forum; a crucial part which I know many of us on this thread are married to. But those types of attacks will NOT necessarily be out of place in a mundane-only astrology forum.

That is why I fully support a new forum for those who want it.

:evilgrin: Well, ok. That's ONE reason I fully support it. ;)

:kick::kick::kick:

[Pathwalker]

37. Because they have specifically stated that they want

Astrology REMOVED from the name of THIS forum. They don't want it allowed in the name of this group.

[Nancy Waterman]

38. I agree with loudue and yellowdawgdem

I think we should keep our title and our mission statement. I don't think we should change it because they want to take part of our titile. We will still be doing astrology as well as the other things implied in the title. I really like this name and nothing else I have seen so far has had the same resonance for me.

[Pathwalker]

39. They're still planning on this forum's name being changed,

according to 28erl's update on another thread, so this issue is not closed, yet. Sigh. :shrug:

[2Design]

40. sorry you chose to interpreted my update that way

there is a thread where they are talking about changing the name - they were excited about the new name - this thread seems to be getting into talking about a name too - so there are two threads going on names for the current forum -

The new name sounded more inclusive to the great and interesting posts in this forum and invited more interesting topics - sounded like they wanted to move forward and birth a new forum and a new name that would include more topics and have a new mission statement -

I guess changing the name - does destroy the current forum name while allowing the birth a new entity with new mission - whatever you decide -

[Pathwalker]

42. Well, it's not up to just me, but everyone who'll be staying,

I guess. We're all just expressing our ideas at this point, nothing's been decided yet. The situation is still in flux, and from your update - will be a while longer.

[2Design]

44. we are moving toward a new political astrology forum

I don't know why it is being thought of as 'those staying' since many will be going back and forth. And are welcome to go back an forth. It is just an offspring.

Like TV has off shoots from the original program or they end the series and new ones grow out of it.

My vision is this is a growth thing for everyone. There is no staying behind. Everyone is growing and changing.

it is all good

[Pathwalker]

47. Well, in you opinion it's all good, but I don't share

your opinion. Is there a timetable yet for the new forum? I would like to know this, as would others, I am sure; we need time to decide whether or not to change the name of this current forum and it would help to know how long we have to decide.

[2Design]

49. it is all good

when new forums start
others don't necessarily change

after it starts -
there is the rest of eternity to change or stay the same

[Pathwalker]

51. Why no timeline yet?

n/t

[2Design]

53. trust the process n/t

[Pathwalker]

54. NO.

n/t

[2Design]

55. thanks for sharing -n/t

[Pathwalker]

57. If only you WOULD share. Trust a secret process?

with no timeline? This isn't the Iraq war, ya know.

[2Design]

58. I am trusting the process - not a secret - following - spirit

I don't have an answer for you
I don't know the answer yet
No secret

And posting just seems to bring it on - I would rather stay out of the line of fire of words at this time and trust that spirit will guide this for the good of the whole. Therefore

I am trusting the process

[Desertrose]

52. I don't think we have to do a damn thing actually NB

I have been thinking about this and have come to the conclusion that WE don't need to change anyting ( as I pointed out in the post where I now disagree with myself) LOL

This forum is fine,the name is fine and it is familiar and serves us well. I think it should stay AS IS.

I think if wanted to though, we could change our mission statement if we felt it was necessary. I'm not so sure it is other than to help the mods "patrol" it. I feel there were some serous infrctions that were let go because they were just unexpected coming from within our own ranks. I will not be so lax in the future.

The group who is breaking off has to do what they need for their group. We have nothing to concern ourselves with as we are not the ones requesting the change. JMHO. :)

[Pathwalker]

56. Nothing except wait .

And wait.

[Name removed]

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[Pathwalker]

61. Trust the process, Desertrose. That is an order.

Trust the secret process with no timeline. does that mean it's basically none of *our* business.
As for the timing - I couldn't agree more. I'm no "Astrologer", but I wouldn't start any new enterprise when the Moon is in the 4th quarter, but they did, and they are the professionals - who are *we* to disagree with them? Oh, that's right - we're the crazy relatives.

[Desertrose]

63. Okey dokey.....ooops! dam Aries Mars did it again~

:rofl:

well someone is watching us while we are all waiting
:evilgrin:

[Matariki]

79. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE

my .02 - keep this forum the same - same name, same mission statement.

[Me.]

43. If My Rant Goes To A Point You Didn't Intend

then I do apologize. But I do feel our forum should stay as it is, name included.

[Desertrose]

45. damn right we'll decide and I now disagree with MYSELF! LOL

You know what Loudsue...You are absolutely right! ALL of you who say WHY should WE change OUR forum because some want to leave are right on. It IS perfectly fine (but I do wish we could get "metaphysical" back in like our oroiginal title). I don't think we have to do a damn thing but sit back and see what happens.

Well ya know what, at first I was in a state of...shock, I guess. First for being slammed for the things I posted and then suddenly "astrologers"(not all just some) say...oooh we can't be with those wackos....they are giving astrology a bad unscientific name. oooh lets distance ourselves by a NEW **PROFESSIONAL** astrology forum.

Of course my Libra peacekeeping kicked in automatically....OK we'll just make OUR forum better and they can take their astrological attitudes somewhere else.

Well ya know the hell what?? It was these damn wackos that f'ing got you this forum and this far, so think about THAT? Where were you all when we went head to head with the miserable skepties out in the open forums?? Where were you when we struggled SO hard to prove to Skinner that what we offered and had to say & share WAS of value to many who posted & lurked? Do you have ANY clue how close & how many times we were almost told we werent' allowed to post ANY astrology?? No,probably not.

You want a new forum? Thats just fine by me, but make it a positive reason why you want to do this and not because you don't want to be associated with this forum. Don't lay your holier than thou astrology professionalism crap on me and don't f'ing slam those who birthed you the opportunity to grow in the first place....and don't f'ing act like you are ENTITLED to a new forum cause you are *professional*. Get a grip...you (we all) are here by the generous grace of Skinner. I personally don't care if you mess it up for yourselves...but in the process of throwing hissy fits to get what you want, I sure as hell hope you don't mess it up for the rest of us.



(Now, do you all see why I try not to let my Aries Mars out too often???!)
DR

[2Design]

50. it is all good - peace

thanks for sharing

[Desertrose]

60. No, its NOT actually "all good"...

Something was started that will have to play out.

Something was broken and nothing here will ever be the same.

So no, its not all good. Not at all.

I appreciate your attemps to make peace28erl, I really do, but sometimes its not all that simple or clear.
I thought this place was one thing and fine out there are lots of muddy undercurrents and it will take a while for the waters to clear. So no, right now it is defintiely NOT all good.

And another thing, it is not fair or good, to stir things up and then dissappear. It is also not respponsible to start something and walk away to let others deal.

Not good at all.

[2Design]

62. it is all good

thanks for sharing again

some times for things to change - they have to change -
When things change - it is true they are never the same after -
part of the growth

stirring - not my stuff
disappear - no - just allowing space for others to process their stuff

thanks again for sharing

[Pathwalker]

64. Why no timeline yet?

I would really like some answer other than to just "trust the process".

[Desertrose]

66. oh wait..its the moon's timeline! n/t

[2Design]

68. please see post 58 - you asked this same question there several times

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=8958&mesg_id=9287

[Pathwalker]

69. And I will continue to ask, 28erl.

Until I get an answer.

[NMDemDist2]

70. FYI, it's a holiday weekend and I doubt the Admins are in the office n/t

[Desertrose]

71. Yeah true...but I don't think its the Admins we are waiting for

I think the new group was in the middle of gettng their mission statement together until the main requester took a "break"...



:hi: hey AZDEM....you should see our smoke...cough cough...creepy !!!!Hope you guys aren't gettting it!

[NMDemDist2]

72. we are getting lots of it too, it's only about 30 miles north of my house

and the smoke is swirling around the state according to the weather people

[Desertrose]

74. Yup...I watch it on the radar...

we are bad here again today....the sun is very dim and it smells so strong...I can barely see Thunder Mt right behind my house!

I dodn't know you guys were so close...so sad, these fires...and after our green spring...guess thats the way it works....


:hug:
DR

[NMDemDist2]

78. that's how it was here yesterday, I go to work at 5AM and it was

smoky and the haze just hangs in the valley especially up north here.

and as for the green spring.... I still have 6 foot tall weeds LOL (in spite of hacking them down twice!)

[Pathwalker]

73. Yeah, unfortunately, next week looks like a doozy.

Seems Rove was the leaker, and the story will break next week. We could use some Astrological insights into THAT - will Bush be implicated, or not? Will Bush pardon him, or not, and if he does - what will the fallout be from that? He won't name a nominee for SCOTUS until the following week, because he'll be at the G8 summit, that's already been announced. Nancy says he might get reckless and aggresive next week, so it's going to get real interesting when/if Rove is "outted". Gotta love that - the outter being outted.

[Matariki]

81. !!!

excellent news!

i remember all those TAROT readings on this forum - predicting a woman would bring down the b* administration. looks like it just might be Valerie Plame. i predicted (via a TAROT reading) that some in his admin will go to jail and that there would be a big change in the press - even that the foreign press would play a bigger role in this country this year. interesting how this stuff has played out. now we all need to hone our intuitive skills to the point of being specific. you know, name names and so forth. I went to a TAROT reader who could do that. Amazing really, using people's names that she couldn't possibly know, even future contacts.

"weirdo" camp 1 - "scientific" camp 0

(i'm just teasing)

[Desertrose]

65. glad to share.....ultimately it can be "all good"

and growth is good...but I like to think that when one reaches a certain level of enlightenment that they can choose how to make that change ...either from a positive or a negative way.

When done from a postive motivation then yes, even though things will never be the same it makes it a hell of a lot easier for people to move on. I had hoped those who post in this forum would be aware and honor that. Its not up to me to judge one way or the other, but my observations don't lead me to believe that is what happened here.

Process "their stuff" ? yeah, right. :eyes:

[LWolf]

76. ROFL

:rofl:

I'm sorry; it's not really funny, but I can't help but laugh. Some of us with the most powerful potential for fireworks have put considerable conscious effort into fire prevention. Sometimes, though, letting those fires burn now can clear out the brush and prevent wildfires later. ;-)

Here's a thanks to DR for a timely prescribed burn; all in the interest of long-term group health, of course!

On another very vague, wacko, amateur astrology note from one who knows very little about Astrology (with a capital A), have you noticed how many Aries somethings there are in this little group?

[dem_in_seattle]

83. Awesome, DR! Very, very well said!

Thank you!!

Jim
Seattle, WA

[Me.]

41. Well You Don't Always Get What You Want

They don't own the word astrology and as this forum is already in existence they have no right to think they can remove anything from the title or mission statement here. All they are allowed to do is start a forum of their own and how they distinguish it from this one is their concern. But they have no right, nor authority to march in and say you can't have or use that anymore. We have had some of the best astrology on the web here, thanks in no small part to Nancy, and she is staying. Frankly it is far too Republican to me for a group to say we want what you have and are taking it. I for one will vehemently protest the removal of the word astrology. Let the title stay as it is. It already exists. It is their problem and responsibility to name a new forum and differentiate it from ours. And as so far it seems they can't even agree on a mission statement, good luck to them.

[2Design]

48. you are absolutely right

*moving out of the way* of flying words - peace

[KittyWampus]

67. Oh Dover, The Only REAL Input I've Got Is... It'd Be Great To Have Esoteri

Astrologoy included into the mix of any new Astrology Forum that might happen.

I just put in my two cents making a distinction that can't be repeated too often, IMO.

Why is it an important distinction?

Cause information from the Spiritual Realm and Intuition NEVER lies or is incorrect or misleading.

Info from the Psychic Realms often is half baked or misleading.

[NuttyFluffers]

36. whatever this forum turns into i'll be there... have faith :D

besides, i'll probably be posting astrology stuff in the "new and improved!" (whatever) forum when it suits my "intuitive unscientific whims."

heh, painting was considered a science once, too -- people just need to get rid of whatever chip is on their shoulder and drop the unflattering elitism. life becomes a lot simpler and friendly when one does so.

as for me, nothing changes. everything i wanna post goes in the same big umbrella its always been. this too shall pass.

[tanyev]

46. This forum is one of the ones I check daily, but I rarely post

because I know very little about these topics. I love the mix here because I have learned about so many things I'd never heard of before. Some of them seem a little "out there", but I still like to read about them and make my own decision.

I'm sorry that this division is happening, but I think it will be OK. Since it's now obvious that there have been some hard feelings, a separation would probably be a healthier idea than trying to stay together.

I like the idea upthread about just leaving the name and the mission statement the same. It seems like this forum could stay pretty much the way it is, and those who wish to focus exclusively on astrology may go do so in a new forum.

[loudsue]

75. I just got back online to see what the latest news was.....

It seems that 28erl is waiting for Pallas.

I also think 28erl is realizing, with sincerity, that some things she posted were a little premature. I accept that. And I think 28erl is in a tenuous position at this point.

Anj, I just don't think we'll get any answers until Pallas DECIDES we will get answers, or until Skinner comes in and makes a decision for her.

Like Notorious Bohemian (Anj), Nancy, Desertrose, Dover, YellowDawgDem, Me, Eloriel, and others, I hope this situation gets resolved soon, so we can put it all behind us.

Desertrose, I have that same Libra rising thing going on ;) so I know what you mean about hesitating to let the big dogs loose. :rofl: But when Libra sees injustice, and can't win a peaceful solution with grace, Lady Justice can be one kick-ass force to deal with. :shrug: She just always wishes it didn't have to come to that.

:kick::kick::kick:

Edited so as not to get deleted.

[Cleita]

77. Since administration are probably not around until next Tuesday,

I don't think any change will happen until then.

[Pathwalker]

80. The New Moon is July 6th(Wed.) - dimson's birthday.

Other than that, it doesn't look bad, at first glance. But - that isn't for me to decide. Is the actual New moon best(astrologically) for new enterprises, or is it best to wait a few days after the New Moon?

[Matariki]

82. i have Libra moon with Aries rising

so i can totally commiserate with y'all.

what a confusing combination.