Any good vibes on the current healthcare debate...?

[amitten]

I am feeling that it will turn out to benefit everyone, and be somewhat similar to maybe Canada's system. How about you?

[Cleita]

1. I'm so invested in this issue that I don't trust my instincts thinking it

might be wishful thinking. However, I am hoping that, we the people, put so much pressure on our elected leaders that they have to cave in and give us what we want. Also, I would love to see a group manifestation every day by every one until it happens. I know that I am doing my best but I'm not that hopeful. I will be so disappointed if they sell us down the river with a plan that is as useless as the prescription drug benefit bill, Medicare Part D, that threw senior citizens under the bus.

[lildreamer316]

10. Cletia, I am

putting energy thought towards this every day, and I can feel that I'm also getting too close to see clearly about it. I can tell you , though, that you can count me in on the daily manifestation idea. It's a given.

[get the red out]

2. I think there will be a public option

I feel that there will be a public option, but it won't be everything we would like, though it may well open the door to more later.

[northernlights]

3. what I read affects my vibes

and what I read today is that Obama has supposedly said he is open to a "trigger" on public option. So I don't feel good vibes about even a viable public option, never mind a system like Canada's. Now Obama sometimes "floats" ideas to see what happens. But with everything that has been said and done to date, and with 72% of Americans polled wanting a public option, period, to even think of floating such an idea strikes me as a sign of caving in the name of compromise and bi-partisanship, instead of standing strong for what is right.

To be honest, these days I'm feeling sadder and sadder about this administration.

*The same Goldman-Sachs cronies who fucked up our economy in charge of fixing it.
*A Monsanto exec in charge of food safety.
*A Cattle Rancher in charge of public BLM land (who now intends to slaughter 33,000 feral horses because they supposedly do far more damage than 400,000+ cattle privately-owned cattle allowed to graze on public land.)

I realize that some people on this forum think that Obama has been put here to save us and is doing his job perfectly. I was happy with his 1st 2 appointments. But for me, it's been straight downhill from there. I defended the financial people initially, figuring they knew best where the land mines are. But they aren't deactivating them...they've just laying new ones. And the rest of them are just disasters. Simply walking disasters. Imho, of course.

[Cleita]

4. Listening to Ed Schultz and Thom Hartmann today, it seems that it's

Rahm Emmanuel that favors the triggers not Obama. I don't know what the game is but Obama said in a news conference from Moscow that he wants a strong public option.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/obama-overrides-aide-on-health-insurance-public-option/

But Mr. Emanuel did not get the last word. Within hours, the chief of staff was big-footed – all the way from Moscow — by his boss, Mr. Obama, who is in Russia prior to the meeting of the “Group of Eight” economic powers. The White House issued an official statement declaring that Mr. Obama remains committed to the public option.

“I am pleased by the progress we’re making on health care reform and still believe, as I’ve said before, that one of the best ways to bring down costs, provide more choices, and assure quality is a public option that will force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest,’’ the statement said. “I look forward to a final product that achieves these very important goals.”

Let's keep our fingers crossed that he doesn't waffle on this.

[northernlights]

5. thank you...and now I've just read that Reid may have grown a spine!

He apparently told Baucus to quit chasing republican votes.

Don't mind me, I'm really starting to succomb to the stress right now...:(

[SeattleGirl]

8. Cleita, check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8515879

[Cleita]

12. Interesting. Thanks for directing my attention there. n/t

[eilen]

9. I'm certainly hoping

that he doesn't solve the healthcare crisis the same way he "solved" the foreclosure crisis.

[LaurenG]

6. I think we'll make some headway before the end of the year

but that next year will be much more successful. I posted a piece a week or two about it that I agreed with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=457055

:hi:

[Delphinus]

7. I would rather have

everything fail completely by July 31 of this year than get something that's going to hurt us ... while helping the tics in DC and the insurance industry execs.

I've been working almost two years on this, quite involved, and am like Cleita - can't tell what my instincts are because I'm too close to the issue. I hope we get nothing then regroup and get what this country needs.

Obama has said "If we were starting from scratch", he'd be in favor of Single Payer (HR 676). I mused the other day to someone if this depression that we're in is heading us straight into a "scratch" position.

[Cleita]

11. What a weird statement because we are starting from scratch.

We will be moving from a commercially paid for system to one that is a government paid system or should be. Sure we can use Medicare as a model of how to do it and that's what we should do. Never should commercial interests be sitting at the table writing the plan. They should be allowed only to present their POV to the Congress. That they have been allowed to be part of the process, with every other interest not allowed to, only proves how corrupt our government is.