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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:29 PM
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Poll question: Okay! What are ya?
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:41 PM
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1. I am a plain-old Agnostic. Can't say either way.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 03:55 PM
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20. I'm with you. And the thing I add to it ...
that seems to make my Christian acquaintances itchy:

"And I'm perfectly comfortable with that ambiguity."

Man, that makes 'em squirm, for some reason. I don't understand why my comfort with the ambiguity over the existence or non-existence of a higher power presents such a discomfort for them.

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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:49 PM
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22. I also mention humility
I tell them I would feel hopelessly arrogant stating that my limited brain can be sure about the existence of a deity, let alone the specific nature of that deity.

That usually makes 'em squirm. It's true, though, and I hope it makes them think later.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:47 PM
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2. I have a small quibble:
Although it's possible to "believe for sure" that there is no god, I don't think it's possible to "know for sure".

Personally, I believe for sure there is no god, but I can't actually claim to know it. The existence of a god just isn't falsifiable.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:06 PM
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5. I agree with your quibble.
I don't believe in a god but I don't claim to know.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:27 PM
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17. I'm sure there's no god.
But I still use agnostic as a modifier. Because how can you have absolute knowledge unless you get it from god?

I'm certain that any god that can be described does not make any sense.

My father, who was prominent in our temple when I was growing up, summed it up most accurately. When asked anything about god he'd only reply, "Nobody knows."

--IMM
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Fleurs du Mal Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:41 PM
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27. scarecrow logic
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 01:42 PM by Fleurs du Mal
By that argument there is no knowledge since the mere suggestion that something exists makes it possible, i.e. non-falsifiable.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:52 PM
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3. How About, Pretty Sure There's No God
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 03:52 PM by Beetwasher
But I realize that you can never be 100% sure about anything (with one exception) so I would never say there's DEFINITELY no god. I guess that's your choice #2?

The following is the ONLY thing I can be 100% sure of (which is a bastardization of Descartes):

"I" think therefore something exists.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:58 PM
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4. I know for sure that I don't believe in god.
So I would call myself an atheist. But the way you worded the atheist choice above doesn't really describe me. I, of course, don't know for sure that there's no god. I only know for sure what I believe about it.
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Rabbit of Caerbannog Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:28 PM
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6. I'd like to beleive there's
more to life than just this rock we float through space on.

Don't beleive in a "God" per se - but I do think there's got to be "something" bigger than us. We just havn't been "introduced" to it yet...

I do, however, beleive in aliens (legal - other planets) more than a "supreme being". Perhaps the God of religion IS based on an advanced race/species from another planet/dimension? Uh oh - I think I just outed myself a a whacko ;-)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:32 PM
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7. I'd Believe in Aliens Before I'd Believe in a God
Aliens are more plausible...
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:55 PM
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8. I agree.
Remember all of that "life on Mars" chatter?

I noticed that religious leaders were mum on the issue.

I'd like to see them explain life on other planets.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:27 AM
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14. wasn't that a Carlin bit?
He said that if someone tells you he was visited by Aliens in the middle of the night and taken to the home planet where he's told the world will end, he's ridiculed as a wacko, but if someone says an angel visited him and he was told by Jesus himself that the world is going to end, he's just a devout Christian.
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Socialist Dem Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:02 PM
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18. I belieive that death awaits us all
with big sharp nasty pointy teeth!

;)
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:55 PM
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9. Atheist and proud.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:55 PM by Cobalt Violet
:evilgrin:
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:06 PM
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10. I accept the null hypothesis...
until otherwise proven incorrect.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:13 AM
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11. I'm still an atheist
the way I was born, therefore the way God intended me to be.

:evilgrin:
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:27 AM
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12. Atheist but I'm not 100% positive there is "nothing" out there
however with that said, I do believe in karma, reincarnation (our souls going into newly born bodies) and our souls connecting with ones we have lost in the end.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:52 AM
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13. agnostic. n/t
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pauliedangerously Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:17 PM
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15. The atheist definition is incorrect.
An atheist doesn't believe in God; no-one knows for sure if there is "nothing" or not. Certainly there is "something."

Something either is or is not. Clearly, there was a sequence of events that brought us into existence, and even more clear is that we haven't figured out what that sequence of events was.

I did not answer the poll, but I am an atheist; I was born one and I will die one...unless I become mentally dysfunctional before I can lodge a bullet in my skull.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:21 PM
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16. I am perfectly happy without an explanation for
everything. In fact, I like that!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:16 AM
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19. Not 100% sure there isn't something Other, but
I am 100% sure that it isn't something that bothers to meddle in our lives or even takes notice of them.

Also positive that no explanation devised to date could possibly have it right.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:18 AM
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21. I am an "other"
I am a pagan with a believe in a pantheon of gods and goddesses. However, I do not believe in forcing my beliefs on others. I have found the discrimination aimed at pagans is very similar to the hate directed at atheists and agnostics. I also have a strong love of science, but I also have faith. So, I am odd, but that is OK...I like being odd! :)
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:56 PM
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23. Atheist / Humanist
I don't believe in god or gods, but I do believe in my fellow humans.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:43 PM
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29. I'm with her.
Even if there is a great big sky father out there at 10x10 to the 14th million light years away ( an if of galactic proportions), it doesn't affect us here today and won't for a minimum of 10 to the 10th to the 14th million light years. And even if there is an afterlife or reincarnation, (big ifs in my mind), it's not like we get a do-over; this is the only life we have as who we are today. I don't even think about the god and afterlife questions anymore. They're just no longer relevant to me. There are far bigger issues on the table right now than airy-hairy theological rumblings.

I believe in humans... and I believe we have far more potential for goodness than we're showing. Doesn't mean I don't want to throttle some of them some of the time, but I believe in us.

Pcat
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:09 PM
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24. doubt there is and don't think it matters if there is.
too much ego- like enough to make Ralph Nader seem meek and humble- in every religion.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 06:45 PM
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25. Agnostic with deistic tendencies.
Basically, I think that "god" has no meaning, unless "god" is understood to signify the totality of the universe and the physical laws which govern it. I see religion as a sort of analogy which developed as a way for people to understand, to some degree, the world around them in pre-scientific times (for instance, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic creation myth is a rough metaphor of the Big Bang, planetary formation, and animal evolution).

I also tend to be somewhat tolerant of other people's religious beliefs, to a point. I choose to understand the universe and my place in it through physics, mathematics, and evolutionary biology, while religious people take a mystical, metaphysical, metaphorical path to arrive at something approximating the same understanding. Different routes, with the same destination.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:12 PM
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26. Atheist, but...
I wish God existed so (he) would publicly bitchslap all the assholes throughout history that have done evil things in "his" name.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:34 PM
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28. Secular Humanist
yes freeptrolls, we really do exist, but, sorry, contrary to what you might believe, we're not out to molest your children and turn them into steak.
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