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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:52 PM
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Everyone else is going to hell
Molly Ivins, Creators Syndicate

Uh-oh
...snip...
Miers, like Bush himself, is classic Texas conservative Establishment, with the addition of Christian fundamentalism. What I mean by fundamentalist is one who believes in both biblical inerrancy and salvation by faith alone.
...snip...
Miers' church states on its website that it believes in biblical inerrancy, full immersion baptism, original sin and salvation dependent entirely upon accepting Jesus Christ. Everyone else is going to hell.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19701
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:10 PM
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1. I would definately count her as trouble
Dunno if * is putting her in there for the Crony factor but the Bible factor is either a very nasty side benifit or the main reason. Either way .... great.... just great. :scared:
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:33 PM
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2. I was just wondering yesterday what Molly's take on Harriet was...
Ruh-Roh...
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:41 PM
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11. Me, too
Immediately after the nomination I searched for the Indomitable Molly's comments.

If anyone knows about politics in Texas, it's Molly.

Thanks for posting this TheBorealAvenger.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:33 PM
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3. "Biblical Inerrancy" ??? WTF
I don't understand how any person can believe the Bible to be literal and without error.

This woman is trouble.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:28 PM
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4. Stupidity comes in many forms!
n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:30 PM
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5. Yikes! Apparently she is also supposed to be a constitutional "originalist"
Basically, the same thing. I can't imagine how anyone can function in that bizarro world.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:33 PM
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6. Please tell me she's not friends with Roy Moore
Good grief.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:05 PM
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7. Who, I read, is running for the Alabama governorship.
Good luck, America.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:45 PM
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8. Maybe a silver lining...
He's running as a Republican. Check LBN or the Alabama state forums. People who live there are saying the Alabama GOP hates the idea of Moore running on their ticket.

He's a very polarizing figure, and the absolute poster boy for the Dominionists--the "crazy aunts" the GOP would prefer to keep locked in the attic. Though the Repubs are quite happy if they leave their purses in the living room, of course...

It would have been better had he run as an Independent, or on some fringe party ticket to pull votes from the Repub candidate.

However, at minimum, this should guarantee that the Repub primary will consist of Moore and his opponent(s) trashing each other for several months.

Let's just see what Jesus thinks about THAT.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:47 PM
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9. What would Jesus think?
He'd probably turn the other channel.

I mean cheek.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:25 PM
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10. Hell, I believe in full-immersion baptism too
with one small change.












:evilgrin:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:52 PM
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12. Chortle chortle
:D
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:41 AM
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13. That was my Methodist aunt's favorite jab...
...when I was a kid:

"Only one thing wrong with you Baptists. They don't hold you under long enough."
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:41 AM
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14. Bwahahahaha
:rofl:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:25 AM
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15. A. Whitney Brown
"I understand the fundamentalist Moslems because I, too, had a fundamentalist upbringing.
I was a Baptist, and the Baptist's core belief was that if you held somebody's head under water long enough, they would eventually come around to your way of thinking."
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:30 AM
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16. And what of the people who drowned from being held under too long?
I suppose it was their fault for not coming around to the "right way of thinking" in time? :eyes:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:54 AM
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17. They chose badly
It was their fault in the end.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:18 PM
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19. "Methodists are Baptists who can read." - My favorite line from A River
Runs Through It.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:59 PM
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18. A different look at Mier's church
This slate.com article is a good comprehensive look at Mier's church. This excerpt is from the part on abortion:

It's no surprise, then, that Valley View is staunchly anti-abortion. When I asked Valley View's pastor, Barry McCarty, whether he was pro-life, he quickly denounced abortion and euthanasia, but he didn't mention war or capital punishment. Many Catholics—and, to be sure, some evangelicals, like Ron Sider, president of Evangelicals for Social Action—advocate the "consistent life ethic," which seeks to end nuclear proliferation, war, poverty, and the death penalty along with abortion. McCarty's narrower pro-life agenda is more representative of evangelical churches, which have devoted vastly more money and more pulpit time to denouncing abortion than to denouncing, say, militarism.

The View at Valley View
What kind of Christian is Harriet Miers' church? >
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:21 PM
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20. I'd guess you pretty much HAVE to join one of these churches if you're
going to be successful in Texas politics, wouldn't you? Harriet Miers has been a politician as well as a lawyer. It's not as if they're going to elect somebody who's not a Baptist or Baptist Clone to government office down there!

True, Shrub's not a member, but he talks a really good Baptist Clone line....
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