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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 09:30 PM
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Atheist and Christian families to be on "Wife Swap" TV program
From AANEWS, Monday March 7, 2005

Opinion...

COMING OF AGE AT WIFE SWAP?
HAVE ATHEISTS BROKEN THE POP-CULTURE BARRIER?
By Conrad Goeringer

By now, unless you are off the net or not reading the paper, you've
probably heard the news -- the hit ABC program "Wife Swap" will be
featuring an Atheist.

Amber Finley of Georgia, a co-host with husband Reginald Finley of the
internet program "Infidel Guy" (www.infidelguy.com) will be moving in
to the residence of the God-fearing Stonerock family of Flint,
Michigan. Pastor Stonerock's wife will trade places, and share the
roof with Mr. Finley. It is bound to be interesting, a formula for
high ratings and some provocative commentary.

It is also, for Atheists, a positive reading on the cultural
barometer, a sign of the times and a good one at that!

The show really is not about a "wife swap" in the 1950s sense when the
swinger scene explored delicate paths around institutional monogamy
(and, complained some critics, men seemed to benefit the most). The
wives trade households and chores, and the cameras are constantly
rolling. There is heavy editing at work here, maybe some scripting
on-the-fly, and there also is less glamour and skin than Paris
Hilton's "The Simple Life." But "Wife Swap" is among the hottest
offerings in the electronic tidal wave of so-called "Reality TV"
programming, a world of competing tribes, tests and tribulation, and
15-seconds-of-fame heroes and losers. Critics see such fare as the
equivalent of cultural crack cocaine brought to you in prime time.
The networks, faced with rising production costs and running out of
ideas for the types of programming that used to fill the nightly
family viewing slots, see relatively inexpensive programming yielding
impressive ratings and cash.

Beyond the hoopla of celebrity, and in terms of its deeper social and
cultural significance (don't let the title fool you...) the upcoming
segment of Wife Swap featuring the godless Ms. Amber Finley (set to
air on Wednesday, March 16, 10:00 PM ET), may be for Atheists and
other non-religious what "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" has been for
America's gay community. The themes are remarkably different, of
course. "Queer Eye," which has already inspired one spin-off, follows
a gaggle of sophisticated and urban savvy homosexual males dubbed the
"Fab 5" who manage to rescue bumbling and hapless straight guys from
slovenliness and lack of hip, cultural refinement. There are tips on
everything from grooming and dining to interior design, fashion and,
well, cultural fabulousness. "Wife Swap" is a more
down-in-the-trenches affair, though, with everyday families trading
wives/moms/housekeepers.

Critics have stumbled over themselves praising "Queer Eye" for putting
gay acceptance on a fast-track. That did not stop Karl Rove and the
religious right from harvesting enormous political capital from a slew
of anti-gay marriage initiatives on the coat tails of the 2004 Bush
juggernaut. Within the gay community -- and who exactly speaks for
this "community" remains debatable -- there are mostly accolades for
the show, but some voices of dissent. Cultural critic Keith Boykin
says that more images of gay people need to be in the electronic
media, and adds "We don't all live in the gym, go to the opera and
sing show tunes. We're not all white, not all male, not all fabulous,
and God knows we're not all cute.

"But this is television."

Even harsher judgments have been about the show "Will & Grace,"
described by one critic as a "lateral move" for gay rights which
blends exploitation with acceptance.

Another columnist, Christopher Kelley wrote in the Ft. Worth Star
Telegram that "Queer Eye" was "more a creepy case of gay
self-ghettoization than a step forward."

"Welcome to the rise of the gay minstrel show," he concluded.

"Minstrel" may be the word best describing how blacks were originally
portrayed in film and television. Paul Robeson was the exception,
"Step 'n Fetch" the rule. We still have the debate over whether
blacks have moved much beyond the comedy slots, or the Sunday
afternoon gridiron or court games, and into the board rooms,
especially at the big networks.

Can anything like this be said of Ms. Finley's upcoming appearance on
"Wife Swap"?
The harshest judgment might be that Atheists are finally breaking into
American living rooms through the worst of all possible media, namely
prime time "Reality" trash-television. Why aren't we instead on more
cerebral shows like "Nightline" or the Sunday morning talk-fests where
pundits and bureau chiefs painfully dissect the week's news or batter
some politician with the usual pro forma questions?

The answer to the latter is simple: we are. Compared to, say, ten
years ago, spokespersons for Atheist and other nonbeliever groups are
-- slowly perhaps -- getting exposure on cable news and other current
events programs. Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists, has
been interviewed on a number of shows, including C-SPAN's highly
prestigious "Washington Journal." Her appearance on that particular
program represented a significant step up from the less thoughtful
"fair and balanced" spectacles that pass for television news such as
"Hannity & Colmes" This is one sanguine measurement of progress on
the cultural barometer; and so is Ms. Finley's upcoming debut on "Wife
Swap."

The difference, of course, is that Ms. Johnson's appearance on
"Washington Journal" indicates that Atheists have "arrived" inside the
beltway, and taken the first steps toward establishing a credible
presence in the churn of critical political commentary. Ms. Finley's
participation in "Wife Swap" may indicate that Atheists are, more and
more, joining the cultural mainstream, becoming more visible in a
changing American landscape of divergent views, lifestyles and
practices. Both are necessary steps in gaining meaningful public
acceptance.

It would be premature, arrogant and inaccurate to dismiss the upcoming
installment of "Wife Swap" as something which automatically
stereotypes and marginalizes Atheists through some kind of cultural
freak show. From what we have heard, Ms. Finley is a friendly and
credible "face" of Atheism that many Americans simply have not
encountered.

Unlike gays and blacks, Atheists still remain mostly "in the closet."
As a result, we suffer from stereotypes usually crafted by the
religious, or our own unfortunate penchant to criticize and even
insult each other in the most unfair of terms.

Amber Finley may well change some of that by putting a human face on
the much-maligned and misunderstood philosophy and lifestyle of
Atheism. And more: she is being identified, openly and frankly, as an
Atheist (albeit with the small "a".) We salute her for that. For
years, many Atheists have marginalized themselves and each other by
adopting cultural camouflage, disingenuously describing themselves
with a bewildering smorgasbord of terms, and dancing gingerly around
what they really and truly are -- Atheists! The quote from Chapman
Cohen found at the masthead of every edition of AANEWS proclaims the
pressing need for "clear-cut issues and unambiguous speech," and we
are pleased to see Ms. Finley stepping forward to humanize and openly
proclaim this term for all viewers to see.

The audience viewing "Wife Swap" is a vastly different demographic
from those tuning in C-SPAM or other more scholarly fare. But this
forthcoming episode is, one might say, the Atheist advance into the
wider population, a middle-class and working class audience that we
need to reach. The beginning of that process requires first
introducing ourselves; and from what know, Ms. Finley is a sterling
representative to take on that challenge.

Let's not be snobs about this. Ms. Finley may end up on "Wife Swap"
talking mostly about housecleaning and recipes and doing the laundry,
although we hope she is also able to interact more meaningfully with
her new ersatz hubby, Pastor Stonerock. (Yes, we wonder too, is that
really his name?) Many in our movement would prefer to have a
professional academic (probably a male) debating a theologian on PBS,
as the viewing audience drifts off to sleep. "Wife Swap," they might
argue, is too de class , too low-rent for our lofty philosophical
convictions. Rubbish! Winning the cultural wars involves more than
establishing ourselves in the towers of the Academy, or in reclusive
policy groups and think tanks in Washington -- although all of that,
too, is important. Atheists need to take up the challenge that the
religious right did decades ago, and strike out into the broader
segments of American society, including those Red States of the
Heartland and Bible Belt.
It is no easy task, and strange at it may seem, it might be one that
starts with a vacuum cleaner, a trip to the grocery store, and a slice
of Reality Television. Before the vast majority of Americans can
listen to us as Atheists and separationists, they at least need to
move beyond the stereotypes and cliches that still burden us. If that
falls to an Atheist who has the fortitude to swap households and put
up with someone named Pastor Stonerock, she has our support. Bravo,
and good luck Ms. Finley!

**
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:23 PM
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1. "Let's not be snobs about this."
Oh I don't know.

What's with the capital A? I'm skeptical in that I don't see this as more than a gimmick. Perhaps there are those who think of atheists as having horns, etc. I guess for those, it might be enlightening if that word could apply to those people.

I mean, I dunno.

--IMM
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:42 PM
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2. It's certainly not something I would normally go out of my way to
watch. My gut says that it will be oversimplified and gimicky. However, it might be worth setting up the VCR to record just for fun.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:27 PM
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3. Just this once...
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 12:02 AM by onager
I'll watch.

Maybe there'll be an impromptu exorcism or something...

edit to add:

I'm in favor of anything that depicts atheists as just ordinary folks. I hope the show accomplishes that.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 02:01 PM
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5. hopefully, but the problem with "reality" tv is...
they choose their participants to ensure some fireworks. That motivation is somewhat at odds with depicting your average, ordinary-folks kind of atheist.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:40 PM
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6. from what I've read
the swap involving a "peace-loving hippy" with a pro-war Bushbot was done very well, so there's some hope.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 02:47 AM
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4. brutal honesty: people who know in advance probably will not watch
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 02:47 AM by NoodleBoy
I remember stories of when the first openly gay people were on TV, some people unplugged their TVs, put blankets over them or turned them around during that time slot, for fear they or their family would be "infected."

I't dumb and irrational, but it happens. And we're barely even to that point yet. Ron Reagan might have said on Letterman, directly, that he was an atheist, but that was completely by suprise and was never publicized. People will probably know this, though, in advance, and won't want to know that we're just the same as everyone else.

By the way, they're going to get so much footage out of this, I wouldn't be suprised if it was edited to portray any atheists in it either inept or conniving and the christians as hardworking or downtrodden.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:17 PM
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7. Update: Show has been bumped - air date now unknown
Received this info via AAChat - member's only discussion list. Will post full comments if/when permission is granted.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:40 PM
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8. American Atheists Action Alert
*American Atheists Action Alert!*
March 8, 2005
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-08-mar-2005.html

*ACTION NEEDED NOW! ENCOURAGE ABC NETWORK TO AIR "WIFE SWAP" *
* SEGMENT FEATURING ATHEIST AMBER FINLEY*

The ABC television network was planning to air a segment of its popular
"Reality" show "Wife Swap" on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 featuring Ms.
Amber Finley, an Atheist. Ms. Finley is co-host with her husband
Reginald Finley of the infidelguy.com internet radio program.

"Wife Swap" showcases wives from diverse families who move into each
other's households. They take on the chores, shopping, meal preparation
and interact with their new charges. Ms. Finley was to exchange places
with a "god fearing" woman married to a Pastor Stonerock.

It promises to be a worthwhile episode that for millions of Americans
may put a "human face" on Atheism and Atheists! (Visit:
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/wife1.htm)

But no sooner had word been released about this particular episode of
"Wife Swap" than ABC mysteriously announced that it was being replaced
with another installment. The substitute program features a "low-tech,
stay-at-home mom who" who lives in a treehouse, and will swap roles with
a "high-powered, plugged-in career mom" weary of suburbia. An ABC
spokesperson says that the Finley/Stonerock episode "will air" at some
point in the future, but added that future "Wife Swap" shows will also
be preempted by other programs coming out of the ABC network production
pipeline.

ABC is owned by the Walt Disney Co. entertainment conglomerate. The
firm has a relatively progressive policy in terms of employee
relations. At this point, we cannot say why ABC programming officials
decided to remove the Finley/Stonerock episode of "Wife Swap" and
substitute another segment. But ABC/Disney needs to hear from Atheists
and other concerned viewers about the situation. We need to encourage
ABC and its parent company to air the Finley/Stonerock installment!

*_CONTACT DISNEY/ABC_*

The president of the Disney-ABC Television Group is Ms. Anne Sweeney,
who is responsible for all Disney broadcast properties.

We encourage you to send faxes or "snail mail" to

Anne Sweeney
Co-Chair, Disney-ABC Television group
The Walt Disney Company
500 South Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA. 91521

FAX: 1-818-560-1930
PHONE: (Main Disney Switchboard) 1-818-560-1000

Be sure to mark all of your faxes "Attention: Ms. Anne Sweeney,
Television Group"

For updates on this story, visit
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-08-mar-2005.html

*_TALKING POINTS & WRITING TIPS_*
**
** *ABC has not, at this point, indefinitely canceled the
Finley/Stonerock segment of "Wife Swap." Nor has it announced why this
segment has been replaced by another segment. The network and parent
company needs to be encouraged to show the particular episode (which has
already been filmed and edited and is ready for airing) featuring an
Atheist.

Letters/faxes and phone calls should be polite and courteous. Inform Ms.
Sweeney that you would like to see ABC carry the Finley/Stonerock
segment of "Wife Swap." Point out that the network should not hesitate
to air this installment simply because one of the participants is an
Atheist. "Wife Swap" has featured a wide segment of American families,
and an Atheist household should not be singled out and eliminated from
the show any more than a religious family.

* If you are sending a letter or fax, /*be sure to ask for a reply to
your concerns!* Request that Ms. Sweeney provide, if she can, a date
when the Finley/Stonerock installment of "Wife Swap" might air./
//
/* /Send copies of your letters/faxes to American Atheists
(http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-08-mar-2005.html) and we will
post them, along with any responses.

* Distribute this action alert, share copies with your friends!

* Look for updates on this site!
**
(AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights
for Atheists; works for the total separation of church and state; and
addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.)
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:31 PM
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9. not suprised at all
the final edit probably didn't make the atheist look evil enough.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:07 AM
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10. I have met Amber Finley and her husband
She frequented a chatroom on AOL for several years and i met them both in their home. She is charming, smart, witty and mother of a bright, well adjusted young son and she knows EXACTLY why she is an Atheist as does her husband.

They COULDNT make her look evil if they tried. I am proud to consider her my friend
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:52 AM
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12. we've seen how creative edits can make unsuspecting people
think "liberals" say and do horrible things.

with the mountains of footage they've got-- and not just of Amber Finley in the Stonerock home, but the Stonerock wife in the Finley home-- they could make the atheists on the show look pretty bad.

Anyone with that amount of footage of probably anyone can make them look bad, or dishonest, or lazy, or inept.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:18 AM
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13. Does she still post anywhere online?
Since the network probably won't tell us why it was axed, perhaps she may be able to shed some light...
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:28 PM
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14. Actually, I'm not sure as i dont frequent that chatroom too much
anymore. You might consider asking her husband by sending Reginald an email at www.infidelguy.com
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:33 AM
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11. Violation of the Nabokov Rule!
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 02:34 AM by onager
Many years ago, Vladimir Nabokov said there were three novels that could not be written.

One was a novel about an atheist who lives a long, happy life and dies peacefully in bed surrounded by loved ones.

(The other two were: a mixed-race, black and white couple who had a happy marriage with great children; and the novel that Nabokov himself wrote, Lolita.)

Or maybe the show made the Xians look too dumb. Also an unforgivable sin.


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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:55 PM
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19. You're not kidding
See the message below from Infidel Guy and read the very nasty initial press release!

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/proudatheist/Stonerock-Finley.html
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HamiltonHabs32 Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:58 PM
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15. Atheist removed from Reality TV program ~ Action Needed
The ABC television network was planning to air a segment of its popular “Reality” show “Wife Swap” on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 featuring Ms. Amber Finley, an Atheist. Ms. Finley is co-host with her husband Reginald Finley of the infidelguy.com internet radio program.

<snip>

But no sooner had word been released about this particular episode of “Wife Swap” that ABC mysteriously announced that it was being replaced with another installment. The substitute program features a “low-tech, stay-at-home mom” who lives in a treehouse, and will swap roles with a “high-powered, plugged-in career mom” weary of suburbia.


http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-08-mar-2005.html ~ "American Athiests" Are encouraging fellow Athiests to fight this and write ABC~
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HamiltonHabs32 Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:58 PM
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16. crap
just saw the other thread.. my bad
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:58 PM
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17. Aw shoot. Granted these 'reality' shows are contrived and manipulative
but I was willing to ignore that just this once.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:38 PM
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18. Update - Episode will air - couple of weeks
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 07:50 PM by Synnical
(Edited to correct link to press release)

http://www.infidelguy.com/wifeswap_status.html

03/10/05 - 2:53PM ET

Glenn Davish, liaison between ABC and my family, called my home today. This is the deal. The episode will air. He gives it no more than a few weeks.

I will attempt to explain what's going on to the best of what my memory allows. Glenn has promised to send me an email as well that I can copy and paste that has more details and accurate information. As Glenn finds out, you'll find out.

Here's the deal:

* During this particular time of year, networks will frequently stick in pilot shows to see how their viewers take them. Especially in slots where shows are very popular. "WifeSwap is a very popular show, it's not going anywhere" so it makes sense for ABC to stick in pilots when a fair amount of viewership is expected. Viewership around this time, is a little less than usual however because "people begin vacationing and tend to stay out of the house more." I experience similar effects with my talk program April and May are the months in which my show is of least interest to my listeners. The current family, that is airing March 16th instead of us, was actually bumped out of their slot. They were scheduled to appear 2 weeks prior but was also moved back. RDF Media is still taping episodes for distribution on ABC's Network as I write this. Glenn did mention that certain holidays could delay an airing. :) Well, we know what "holy day" is coming eh?

* Shooting Date: Moving the slot to a future date may actually help increase viewership of the atheist vs christian episode. At this time, we do not know when the episode will air. Glenn said, "no more than a few weeks." That could place it on the 23rd or the 30th. However, Glenn doesn't promise either of these dates. ABC management calls the shots. A pilot for a program called, 'The Eye' is supposed to debut on the 30th, as seen on abcmedianet.com's program calendar. It says 30th here but possibly on the 23rd instead. If it does well, it will more than likely air in a new time slot or maybe perhaps WifeSwap could get moved into a better time slot: which has been a rumor on the net for a few months now. Some critics think WifeSwap is out of the door. Glenn has assured that this will not happen as interest in WifeSwap has increased. Glenn will keep me informed.

* The Editing: The contradictions in editing has been revealed to be a misunderstanding. The actual episode goes through many layers of editing processes. Two of which are of concern. RDF Media finishes it, and then ABC reviews it. They have lawyers that review the footage to make sure logos and products etc are not shown that could cause problems for the network. More than likely, my url: http://www.infidelguy.com will not be shown because quite a number of it's content, may NOT be suitable for all audiences. Glenn didn't say this, it just makes sense. Yes. I know. The program is at 10PM ET, but who knows. ABC is owned by Disney, so I guess they have to be careful. RDF Media has sent their edited copy to ABC. ABC execs still have to review for final editing. To his knowledge, there is nothing wrong with it so far to cause any major red flags. This may be a strategic move to air the episode when they think it will get the most viewship. This cannot be confirmed. I personally think they should make it a two hour special. Like an 'End of the season special' or a 'season opener' myself. :)

* The Press Release: It was explained to me that the very negative Press Release of the Finley family was actually released by ABC before even they viewed the episode. Normally, Mozelle Miley would view it herself and fashion a press release based on what she has seen. This was given to her by the people at RDF Media, so she published what they sent her. Which is pretty darned scary to be honest. Glenn also hinted that the press release may have been fashioned in such a way to draw interest. That more than likely, my family may not come off looking like what the release has portrayed us to be. "It's marketing."

* Atheist Activism: Thanks to all of you that have inundated ABC with inquiries into this matter. However, I think we should give things more time. Especially after what Glenn has informed me of. Alot of this is poor communication and I think Glen is trying to fix this. I'm sure ABC didn't expect to get so much attention over this episode, but at least they know that many people are very interested in seeing this episode. Not just non-theists, but also people of various religions and faiths. Hopefully, I'll be able to give you all a new airing date soon. I still haven't seen the actual episode myself. Generally, a week before the actual episode airs, Glenn will come down and show me the footage.

So basically guys, please, no more letters and phone calls demanding them to air it. I think they will. As you see, rescheduling happens quite often. Wait until I get back with you on that. If you wish to continue to file your complaints about the original press release, well, I can't stop you.

I hope this helps somewhat. That's all for now.

Reginald V. Finley, Sr.
The Infidel Guy Show
http://www.infidelguy.com
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