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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:40 AM
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A Marine Col tells the truth about Iraq: we've lost in Al-Anbar province
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 09:43 AM by TayTay
Maybe that's why I have such a pissed off set of Senators.

From the Washington Post

Situation Called Dire in West Iraq
Anbar Is Lost Politically, Marine Analyst Says

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

The chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq recently filed an unusual secret report concluding that the prospects for securing that country's western Anbar province are dim and that there is almost nothing the U.S. military can do to improve the political and social situation there, said several military officers and intelligence officials familiar with its contents.

The officials described Col. Pete Devlin's classified assessment of the dire state of Anbar as the first time that a senior U.S. military officer has filed so negative a report from Iraq.

One Army officer summarized it as arguing that in Anbar province, "We haven't been defeated militarily but we have been defeated politically -- and that's where wars are won and lost."

The "very pessimistic" statement, as one Marine officer called it, was dated Aug. 16 and sent to Washington shortly after that, and has been discussed across the Pentagon and elsewhere in national security circles. "I don't know if it is a shock wave, but it's made people uncomfortable," said a Defense Department official who has read the report. Like others interviewed about the report, he spoke on the condition that he not be identified by name because of the document's sensitivity.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001204.html


From the April 22, 2006 speech Sen. Kerry gave at Faneuil Hall:

Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion.

Names of Massachusetts service people killed in Iraq since 11/2/04 and where. (Most in Al Anbar province where Ramadi and Fallujah are located.)

ID Date Name Rank Age Srv Branch Unit Cause of Death Where Hometown State Country

2891 09/04/06 Valdepenas, Eric P. Lance Corporal 21 U.S. Marine Reserve 1st BN, 25th Marine Reg, 4th Marine Division Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Fallujah Seekonk Massachusetts US

2852 08/26/06 Zayas, Edgardo Specialist 29 U.S. Army 1st Squadron, 61st Cavalry Reg, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Baghdad Dorchester Massachusetts US

2783 07/18/06 Cayer, Geofrey R. Lance Corporal 20 U.S. Marine 3rd BN, 5th Marine Reg, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force Non-hostile Al Anbar Province Fitchburg Massachusetts US

2748 06/25/06 King, Paul N. Corporal 23 U.S. Marine Reserve 1st BN, 25th Marine Regiment, 4th Marine Div Hostile - hostile fire Fallujah Tyngsboro Massachusetts US

2726 06/16/06 Babineau, David J. Specialist 25 U.S. Army 1st BN, 502nd INF REG, 2nd Brigade, 101st Airborne DIV Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Yusufiyah Springfield Massachusetts US

2697 05/31/06 Mejia, Benjamin E. Sergeant 25 U.S. Army 4th Squadron, 14th Cavalry REG, 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team Non-hostile FOB Marez, Mosul Salem Massachusetts US

2605 04/26/06 Ford, Michael L. Lance Corporal 19 U.S. Marine 1st Tank BN, 1st Marine DIV, I Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Al Anbar Province New Bedford Massachusetts US

2595 04/22/06 Bouthot, Michael E. Private 19 U.S. Army 1st BN, 67th Armored REG, 2nd Brigade, 4th INF DIV Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Baghdad (south of) Fall River Massachusetts US

2541 04/02/06 Procopio, Scott J. Corporal 20 U.S. Marine 3rd BN, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine DIV, II Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Ramadi (near) Saugus Massachusetts US

2272 11/15/05 Schiavoni, Nickolas David Lance Corporal 26 U.S. Marine 2nd BN, 2nd Marines, 2nd Marine DIV, II Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb Al Karmah (near) Haverhill Massachusetts US

2260 11/11/05 Fisher II, Donald E. Corporal 21 U.S. Army 40th Transportation Company, 44th Corps Support BN, 593rd CSG Non-hostile - vehicle accident Kirkuk (NW of) Avon Massachusetts US

2248 11/06/05 Cahill, Joel E. Captain 34 U.S. Army 1st BN, 15th INF REG, 3rd Brigade, 3rd INF DIV Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Ad Dawr (near) Norwood Massachusetts US

2144 10/06/05 Cabino, Shayne M. Lance Corporal 19 U.S. Marine 2nd BN, 2nd Marines, 2nd Marine DIV, II Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Al Karmah (near) Canton Massachusetts US

2105 09/20/05 Raymond, Pierre A. Sergeant 28 U.S. Army Reserve 228th Forward Support BN, 28th INF DIV Hostile - hostile fire - mortar attack Landstuhl Reg. Med. Ctr. Lawrence Massachusetts US

1903 06/16/05 Maloney, John W. Captain 36 U.S. Marine 1st BN, 5th Marines, 1st Marine DIV, I Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Ramadi (near) Chicopee Massachusetts US

1589 01/28/05 Farrar Jr., Andrew K. Sergeant 31 U.S. Marine Headquarters & Service BN, 2nd Force Service Support Group, II Marine Expeditionary Force Non-hostile - electrocution Al Anbar Province Weymouth Massachusetts US

1552 01/26/05 Fuller, Travis J. 1st Lieutenant 26 U.S. Marine 1st BN, 3rd Marines, 3rd Marine DIV, III Marine Expeditionary Force Non-hostile - helicopter crash Ar Rutbah (near) Granville Massachusetts US

1530 01/18/05 Sullivan, Christopher J. Captain 29 U.S. Army 1st BN, 5th Cavalry REG, 1st Cavalry DIV Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Baghdad Princeton Massachusetts US

1350 11/15/04 Desiato, Travis R. Lance Corporal 19 U.S. Marine 1st BN, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine DIV, II Marine Expeditionary Force Hostile - hostile fire Fallujah Bedford Massachusetts US

--- source icasualties.org
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:08 AM
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1. The tragedy of faulty logic:
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:11 AM by ProSense
keep the troops in Iraq until everyone is satisfied that the country is in a full-blown civil war. Despite all JK's warnings, the response is always denial. Do they plan to keep this up until the violence explodes beyond Iraq's borders?
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:16 AM
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2. How do ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
11/2/04 till present - 1824

10/25/05 till present - 641

4/22/06 till present - 292

“Staying the course” isn’t far-sighted; it’s blind. Leaving our troops in the middle of a civil war isn’t resolute; it’s reckless. Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion. John Kerry September 9, 2006.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:25 AM
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3. Excellent quote! n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:33 AM
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4. I agree! n/t
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