Just another reason to not trust Carville per Woodward book

[fedupinBushcountry]

The book also reminds us what a small town this is. On election night 2004, GOP communications guru Mary Matalin was with Bush and Vice President Cheney and talking with her husband, Democratic strategist James Carville , who was close to -- but not in -- John Kerry 's campaign.

Kerry, Carville told her, was going to challenge 250,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, which could change the result there or tie things up for a long time. Matalin promptly told Cheney, and they met with Bush. The Kerry camp made the announcement shortly thereafter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/01/AR2006100100687.html

[karynnj]

1. Carville needs to be out in terms of any future Democratic campaign

This creep then had the audacity to write that book with Begala on the Kerry campaign. This statement is interesting as it does show that when the Kerry people thought the numbers were there, they were very willing to fight.

You also wonder whet else Carville told Mary that was passed within seconds to Cheney et al. It may well be that even innocently Clinton people in the campaign hurt Kerry by speaking to their friend.

[rox63]

2. I wonder what happened between

when Matalin spilled the beans and the concession speech the next day? Did those ballots suddenly disappear?

[karynnj]

3. Good point, from memory, Kerry said they conceded when they found

that there were 150,000 not 250,000 provisional ballots. 150,000 made it extremely unlikely - not all provisional ballots are good and it is expected that some would be for Bush. Kerry needed 118,000. I don't remember the percent likely to be called valid.

This is interesting - I assume Kerry got the later number from his people.

[Firespirit]

4. Well ISN'T THAT SWEET

I mean I know that if I had just received privileged campaign information, the first thing I'd do is call up my Republican family working for the other side and spill the beans!

That slimy bald sumbitch can bite me.

[karynnj]

7. Exactly,

if the information was told to me in confidence, I wouldn't tell MY 100% loyal Democratic husband. He told a person he and the world knew was a Cheney partisan operative!

[Kerry fan]

5. I don't trust any adament Clinton supporter anymore.

Especially Carville and Begala. They will do anything to get Hillary elected. That's why they weren't totally in Kerry's camp. They wanted Kerry to lose in 2004, leaving a better shot for Hillary in 2008.

[TayTay]

6. Welcome back Kerry fan!

Nice to see you! :patriot:

Did you see this in The Nation article about the very wealthy Dems and their screwed up effort to 'fund' Democratic causes after Nov '04?

A surprise guest at the meeting was Bill Clinton, whose agenda seemed to be protecting his wife. But things didn't work out quite as planned. When Guy Saperstein, a retired lawyer from Oakland, asked Clinton if Democrats who supported the war should apologize, the former President "went fucking ballistic," according to Saperstein. Forget Hillary, Clinton said angrily during a ten-minute rant; if I was in Congress I would've voted for the war. "It was an extraordinary display of anger and imperiousness," Saperstein says.

The willingness to challenge Clinton at least temporarily reassured progressive Democrats that partners in the Alliance had a spine and wouldn't be a front group for "Hillary '08." But Clinton's response was a not-so-subtle warning to partners to avoid divisive issues, like the war, that might harm his wife in the next presidential election. Hillary herself has had a number of one-on-one sit-downs with members of the board, as has Howard Dean.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20061016&s=berman

So, Sen. Clinton not publicly regretting her vote is no accident, it's policy. Hmmmmmmm.

[beachmom]

8. Good God -- so is a vote for Hillary a vote for "stay the course"

in Iraq? Will her victory mean more untold deaths of our troops? This goes beyond my wanting Kerry to be president. Anyone who supports continuing this quagmire needs to be taken out in the primary. I don't care whether they voted for IWR or not. The question is what they will do now.

[wisteria]

12. What is with the Clinton temper out bursts?

Is this suppose to intimidate us? Make us comply to his wishes? Personally, his out bursts make me dislike him even more.

[karynnj]

17. How many outbursts did it take to label Dean as "too angry"?

Long term this does not work to Hillary's advantage - it is the unpleasant side of Clinton. The bright optimistic guy is the one loved. These are a montage of images where he is seen as a bully of people of lesser stature. Notice he is NOT challanging Bush; he is challanging a sort of journalist and a group of Democratic money people. These are not Republican frame jobs. The Nation is sometimes flaky, but always liberal The Wallace thing we saw ..and saw...

[whometense]

9. You and me both!

Call me a tinfoilhatted conspiracy theorist - I don't care. That is what I believe as well. And nothing I've seen or heard from them has caused me to rethink it, either.

[Kerry fan]

10. Thanks, Tay.

I haven't actually been exactly away. I'm just not able to type very much.

But, I visit and read most every day. I sign all the petitions and donate to Kerry about once a month and donate to all the candidates that he asks me to.

And, I vote him up on the new political review.

You may not hear from me very much, but, I am always here, supporting, in any small way that I can.

Kerry is still my President.

[TayTay]

13. We have been hearing that this month from folks

who check in here, but do not post a lot.

I just want everyone who doe sthat to know that we love you guys too!!!!!!

I am a chatty/talky soul by nature, thanks for putting up with me.

And oh, :patriot: to all of you good folks who read us here!

Thanks!

[wisteria]

11. Exactly. I have seen to much just recently to let up my guard.

I also read to much about them to ever want to see them regain presidential power. I personally, will face a dilemma if she isn't taken out in the primary. As a democrat, I am obligated to support the nominee. Obviously, I will be pushing hard to defeat her in the primaries.

[ProSense]

15. Exactly!

I sensed that strongly in September and October 2004. If I could have reached through the tube, I'd have slapped them silly for some of their comments!

[Mass]

16. I had the same feeling, particularly when it came to Carvile and Begala,

and also Clinton himself.

[blm]

19. I think it's worse, they didn't want Kerry in to OPEN THE BOOKS on BushInc

because by now, the Clintons have been coopted as part of BushInc's efforts to keep the TRUTH away from the American people.

[Kerry fan]

20. Yes, blm. I, too, believe that.

[blm]

14. I posted this in election forum.

this so pisses me off, because I'd prefer to be proven wrong with the DC Dems like Clinton, Carville, Begala, et al..... but they just keep proving they are part of the DECIET that AILS this country.

[wisteria]

18. I am past that. I don't like them, I don't trust them and they all need

to go. They are bad for the party and for the country. Everything is money and a political game to them, they don't know when to get serious.Our party will never progress as long as these are the media's go to people for Democrats.