Does anybody know this person?

[Mass]

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/10/19/how_green_is_your_vote.php

Frank O'Donnell is president of Clean Air Watch, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization aimed at educating the public about clean air and the need for an effective Clean Air Act.

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Perhaps the most prominent group involved in environmental electioneering is the League of Conservation Voters, which biennially endorses various candidates while opposing a “dirty dozen” opponents. There were whispers that the league stumbled in the 2004 elections by putting most of its efforts into the presidential campaign and looking dumbfounded when its opponent, President Bush, actually talked more effectively about the environment—including the diesel fuel issue—than did John Kerry.

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True, Kerry did not make the environment the central issue of his campaign (neither did Gore for the matter), but this statement seems totally outrageous IMO. (one other of these "some people say" statement).

In OT, did Kerry take position on Prop 87?

[TayTay]

1. The argument is ridiculous

and the use of 'some same' or 'there were whispers' is a way of bringing up a charge without having anyone to question on it. I suspect that the 'some say' may be other Dems who are too cowardly to go on the record.

BTW, Kerry has a better environmental record over the last quarter century that anyone else in the Congress, including Al Gore. And that's a fact.

[Mass]

2. I dont think there was even an argument, just a smear.

Which is why I was asking whether somebody knew the background of this person.

[TayTay]

4. The top group, Clean Air Watch

had nothing before Jan of 2005. Apparently they came into existence with the 109th (Weasel) Congress. The League of Conservation Voters has been around forever.

[ginnyinWI]

3. from somewhere I had the impression

that the League of Conservation Voters was more conservative than groups like The Sierra Club. Which, by the way, gave Kerry a top rating on the environment.

[sandnsea]

8. LCV endorsed in the primary

The first time they'd ever taken a real stand on a primary candidate. I think the writer is saying they're regretting that because Kerry didn't wear the appropriate number of flowers in his hair. Much like he didn't wear enough pink ribbons for women's issues, or rainbow for gays, or raise his fist for AA's, or whatever. Just another Kerry hit piece.

[ProSense]

5. Anyone who makes the claim that

a person who says the following makes sense of the environment is lying:

Ethanol has got the largest potential for immediate growth. Most people may not know this, but today most of ethanol produced in America today is from corn. Most vehicles can use 10 percent ethanol in their automobiles.

Snip...

And so, we're strongly committed to corn-based ethanol produced in America. Yet you've got to recognize there are limits to how much corn can be used for ethanol. I mean, after all, we got to eat some. And animals have got to eat.

And so, I am committed to furthering technological research to find other ways, other sources for ethanol.

Snip...

Last year I went out to see a biodiesel refinery in Virginia that's making clean-burning fuel from soybean oil. And it was a really interesting process to watch. I don't know if you know this or not, but they are able to use waste products like recycled cooking grease to manufacture biodiesel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/25/AR2006042500856_pf.html

Kerry Says Bush Undercuts Environment
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

Published: April 21, 2004

BAL HARBOUR, Fla., April 20 — Senator John Kerry accused the Bush administration Tuesday of "playing dirty" in what he described as its undoing of 30 years of environmental regulation, and declared that ocean pollution was jeopardizing Florida's vital tourism industry.

As Mr. Kerry opened a three-day push on the environment timed to the observance of Earth Day, this Thursday, his campaign also worked to play down two new polls that showed President Bush's standing with voters improving relative to the senator's, even after a month of damaging news for the White House.

Across the state from here, with dolphins surfacing in the waters of Tampa Bay behind him and a seagull shrieking overhead, Mr. Kerry gave a spirited defense of environmental advocacy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/21/politics/campaign/21KERR.html?

Frank Luntz Republican Playbook -- Searchable Text-Version:
PART IX "AN ENERGY POLICY FOR THE 2lst CENTURY"
By Tom Ball
03/06/05

1) Make it about Energy Self-Sufficiency and Independence. The energy debate is ripe for partisan picking and the Democrats were smart to use it during their convention. Americans want to hear about solutions to foreign energy dependency and are desperate for big ideas and bold solutions. Energy policy is now a public priority and Democrats put themselves on the side of the future. Americans loathe the idea of being reliant on the Middle East for our energy needs and they were waiting for someone to tell them so. This was John Kerry’s single best line at the convention, and it continues to resonate even today:

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DEMOCRAT WORDS THAT WORK

I want an America that relies on its own ingenuity and innovation -- not the Saudi royal family. Our energy plan for a stronger America will invest in new technologies and alternative fuels and the cars of the future -- so that no young American in uniform will ever be held hostage to our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Americans are evenly and bitterly divided about an assortment of political issues, but nearly all of them agree that our nation s’ current energy policy is behind-the-times and needs a new, 21st Century approach. Right now, the Democrats are exhibiting perfect pitch when it comes to their energy message. They understand that if you play on American fears towards OPEC, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, while also appealing to American ideals of invention and innovation, they will have a compelling message. But fortunately for Republicans, the Democratic message does not match their policy. If the GOP wants to gain the advantage you need to match the optimism of the Democrats message -- and that begins with a clear statement that the status quo is unacceptable.

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/001207.php#1207

Kerry was the first to campaign specifically on the environment. Also, Bush wasn't the reason for the criticism:

Conservation group under fire for Kerry endorsement

I guess they want the Kerrys to talk about the environment, but not put their money where their mouths are. Note the critics in the article!


Frank O'Donnell could be a lefty freeper!

[TayTay]

6. I didn't see the news backup on that

O'Donnell and his group are on the level. They helped to scuttle the Voinovich 'Clear the Skies' bill in the Senate Environment Committee last year. Persnickety maybe, but for real.

[ProSense]

7. It wasn't to suggest that he isn't for real, but

he definitely has issues! Maybe he's after the LCV, but I can't see the purpose of including a baseless attack on Kerry's record in an opinion piece, especially from someone who wrote this:

Or does it have something to do with the emergence of John Kerry as the Democratic presidential front-runner? Kerry, an environmental champion who has been endorsed by the League of Conservation Voters, cites the Bush anti-environmental record in virtually every speech he makes. A couple of things seem clear. For starters, Leavitt has obviously been brought in to inject the Bush team with some environmental botox -- a few cosmetic changes aimed at smoothing out the administration's radically anti-environmental appearance between now and Election Day.

[nam78_two]

9. ROFL

looking dumbfounded when its opponent, President Bush, actually talked more effectively about the environment—including the diesel fuel issue—than did John Kerry.

Bush talked more effectively about the environment...LOL
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah the LCV was sure Kerry was a bad pick-thats why he has a lifetime LCV rating of over 90% if I am not mistaken....
:eyes:

He is endorsed by most Green groups...I have been an anvironmental activist since I was 17 (about 10 years now) and I have never even heard of Clean Air Watch....I am sure they are legit., but many better known and larger groups like Kerry's enviro credentials...