Of interest...

[saltpoint]

...to me is why some DU posters believe that slamming John Kerry justifies their selection of other candidates.

Very frankly it makes me wonder what kind of people those other candidates are attracting.

[rox63]

1. These threads are like cockroaches

Stomp on one, and 3 more appear in it's place. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[saltpoint]

2. Exactly. Perhaps the mods might want to look into it.

[emulatorloo]

5. Good point, I am going to alert on all those heyjohn threads. . .

I was so enjoying life away from DU, happily lurking in this forum and checking the greatest page. . .what the hell made me look at GDP today??????????

:crazy:

[saltpoint]

7. Not your fault. Three separate posts attacking Kerry as somehow

being stingy with his money appeared, very close to each other.

The OPs varied in tone, but one in particular was just cat-nasty.

I alerted on that one myself.

[emulatorloo]

15. Yes, that one seemed to really go nuclear . . . EOM

[emulatorloo]

21. Mods are apparently locking/deleting the new threads popping up

well at least they just deleted one I tried to post on. Good for them.

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. Good for them

I do not envy the mods around here.... there's so much utter swill posted daily it's hard to keep up.

[nam78_two]

3. Yeah very good point

John Kerry and Al Gore are my two favortite Dems but I don't feel a need to rip other Dems to make my point about why I think they are great candidates...
What a counter-productive approach! On some days you come to DU you can find more threads trashing other Dems than Repugs.

While I agree we shouldn't be like the Freeper-bots and swear allegiance to our party and never ever question them-I fail to see ANY point in repeating stupid right wing talking points like "he flip-flops", "he is not charismatic", "he is not a fighter" blah blah blah.

Specially now? I mean whats the point? 2008 is so far away..this is just trashing for the sake of trashing....

[blm]

4. Every time Kerry does something that generates goodwill for Dems, the

threads and posts pop up slamming him for some perceived wrong that's almost always based in spin, not fact.

The pattern I see is that Hillary supporters have organized a web swarming tactic and they are targeting certain veteran Kerry posters to try and take them out.

I've seen it before. It's absurd. They figure if they get on your nerves they win, and if you're tombstoned, they definitely win.

Buy them for what they know, and sell them for what they THINK they know. They are NOT as smart as they believe they are. Or funny. Or cute.

We tend to be anti-corruption, open government Democrats and they can't stand on that ground for their own candidates, so they have an irrational hatred of those who can.

[saltpoint]

6. I'm at a loss guessing who's behind it, but obviously the mods let

it stand.

I try to be fair in comments about other Democrats. I let Lieberman have it right between the eyes, but on Clark, Gore etc. I really try to follow the Kerry group's lead and post affirming points. They aren't my first choice, but I follow the tone of the Kerry group's position which generally seems to hold that we affirm Democrats.

I am just completely at a loss why the mods do not adapt that position also.

[emulatorloo]

8. I did a whois on heyjohn.org, and it looks damn suspicious:

I did a whois search, which sent me to godaddy for complete info. . .the actual domain is heyjohnkerry.org

typically you have to have a real name and contact info -- Check out the [phone] phone number

Here's what godaddy had:

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Hey John Kerry
4224 37th St. NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20008
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com )
Domain Name: HEYJOHNKERRY.COM
Created on: 18-Oct-06
Expires on: 18-Oct-07
Last Updated on:

Administrative Contact:
Kerry, Hey John [e-mail]
4224 37th St. NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20008
United States
[phone]

Technical Contact:
Kerry, Hey John [e-mail]
4224 37th St. NW
Washington, District of Columbia 20008
United States
[phone]

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.DREAMHOST.COM
NS2.DREAMHOST.COM
NS3.DREAMHOST.COM


Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited

[Firespirit]

11. They made their registration private on heyjohn.org

Hmm, didn't Kerry have a nice blog yesterday with a good term for this type of cowardly behavior?

[saltpoint]

14. Hmm. Puzzlin' evidence.

[Firespirit]

19. Here's some info about that address.

http://kevdb.infospace.com/home/kevdb?KCFG=US&OTMPL=%2Fres%2Fr1.html&QFM=A&QK=5&ClickTRK=REVAD1&QHN=4224&QST=37th+St+NW&QC=Washington&QS=dc

The law office for this guy. Take note of the city and state. Circumstantial, yes, but still:
http://www.kelleydrye.com/attorneys/atty_data/05216

Can someone else substantiate that this guy does in fact live at that address?

[cadmium]

26. What tools do moderators have?

My understanding is that they don't have access to ISP's--or do they?

I suspect that a lot of tjhe monotonous refrains are duplicate and triplicate posts from a few people using different screen names.

At Huffington post one person can have hundreds of screen names. On occassions where someone like this is banned they do it by ISP and all there alias' are banned at the same time.

[WildEyedLiberal]

27. Sock puppets

There have been several sock puppet scandals in DU's past - I think the mods can trace IPs.

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. USE THIS:

John Kerry has raised MORE MONEY FOR OTHER DEMOCRATS THAN ANY DEM, PERIOD.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/warner_staffs_u.html

I am not going out there if it is that bad but people, please use that link. These vermin are desperate and are coming up with more and more OBVIOUS lies because they know that JK is a serious threat to their agenda. DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT.

[saltpoint]

12. God bless John Kerry, God bless you, and good luck tonight against

those pesky Mets.

[ProSense]

17. Also, look at this:

$49M DELUGE FOR CLINTON RUN
By IAN BISHOP
October 14, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has raked in a head-spinning $49 million for her walkover re-election campaign - a sign of her fund-raising prowess in advance of a likely White House bid.

From Aug. 24 to Sept. 30, Clinton raised $3.8 million, and now has more than $14 million in her Senate war chest that can be tapped for a 2008 presidential bid, according to records filed with federal election officials.

But Clinton has buzzed through nearly $35 million - including $8 million in the same five-week period - even though she's miles ahead in recent polls,

Clinton has relied on her campaign cash to fund trips to the key presidential battleground states of Virginia and Ohio to stump for Democratic Senate candidates.

A spokesman for GOP challenger John Spencer said Clinton's tallies show "she is using this money to fund her race for president. That's cynical and it's wrong."

Her $8 million in payouts included a $1 million contribution to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142006/news/nationalnews/49m_deluge_for_clinton_run_nationalnews_ian_bishop.htm

I know it's the NY Post, but that is what this shows:

Clinton's PAC (nearly all wages and administrative expenses):

HILLPAC: Expenditures
Total records: 2045

Total Spent (view expenditures)
$2,401,758
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expend.asp?strID=C00363994&Cycle=2006


Now Kerry's PAC (nearly all contributions):

Keeping America's Promise: Expenditures
Total records: 54607

Total Spent (view expenditures)
$4,217,706
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expend.asp?strID=C00409508&Cycle=2006

[rox63]

10. ProSense has an excellent thread out there

that could use some love: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2893921

[saltpoint]

13. It definitely IS an excellent thread.

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

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[Mass]

18. Interestingly, this story does not play at all on kos.

and few people here seem to catch on it. (AK's thread is nearly everybody against him, and the two other ones that attacked him have few posts.).

It may play more tonight, but still, I find this interesting.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. I was just going to say that

Most DUers don't have a hardcore pro-other candidate or anti-Kerry agenda, and it seems that they can see through this easily. Yes, there are the very dedicated handful working hard to promote the lies, but, as the DU reaction proves, DUers without an agenda see that it is bullshit. This is good news, guys - their smear is going over like a lead balloon.

Trolls, like cockroaches, however, come out in the dark, so hopefully the night crew can keep an eye on these.

[ProSense]

23. Here is proof this is a hit piece!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2894073&mesg_id=2894073

The DCCC, DNC and DSCC are not out of Money. Like I said, that piece about the loan smacks of a rumor.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Remember who encouraged the idea of a loan?

I do.

[ProSense]

25. We've got to stop

thinking alike. I just posted that in the thread! LOL!

[beachmom]

28. The thread just got locked

The mod said it was a "flaming mess"; that's being too kind, but at least it was shut down. The more she posted, the more she sounded like John O'Neill, or is that just me?

[WildEyedLiberal]

29. Not just you.

At the end she was posting any anti-Kerry smear piece she could find short of freeperweb shit. And you'll never convince me that these "lefty" smears don't have dirty GOP fingers in them...

[rox63]

30. They may also have dirty Dem fingers in them

Think ClintonCorp...

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. Oh, I am

Trust me. I don't trust THAT gang farther than I can throw them. Reid and Schumer are part of that faction, as well - and notice the smear concentrates on Kerry giving all his money to the DSCC. Hmm....