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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:45 PM
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The Democrats could have used the attack on John Kerry, especially after his strong statement denouncing it, to highlight the RW's use of attacks (on Ford, Tester, Lamont, Webb and all the other Vets running) for political gain and to talk up the Iraq war.

Bush and the White House needed to make a mountain out of a molehill -- and to muster the Swift Boat Kerry bashers -- because they have been swamped by bad news and reports of incompetence related to Iraq.

No wonder they went into a Kerry feeding-frenzy.

In September, an intelligence report said the war in Iraq had heightened, not lessened, the terrorism threat by fueling recruitment of Islamic radicals.

October turned out to be the fourth-deadliest month for U.S. forces since the war began, with 105 deaths reported by the Associated Press. As of Friday, the AP had placed the number of the U.S. military killed since the war began at 2,829.

As for civilian deaths, a study by Johns Hopkins researchers estimated the number of Iraqis killed since the war began at more than 600,000. Bush said the Hopkins report was "not credible" and "flawed," which, oddly enough, are some of the kinder words used to describe Bush and his handling of the war. There are other reasons why Bush needed the distraction Kerry created.

On Monday, The New York Times reported that the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) found discrepancies in records on more than 500,000 weapons given to the Iraqis during the last few years, including grenade launchers, assault rifles, machine guns, shotguns, semiautomatic pistols and sniper rifles. The U.S. military failed to note the serial numbers of all but a few thousand of them; they don't know where the weapons are or whether they have fallen into the wrong hands.

Further, the Times reported, Iraqi security forces still depend heavily on the United States for food, fuel, ammunition, troop transportation, health care and maintenance, and there doesn't seem to be any inclination on the part of the Iraqi government to pay us back for all this support. Wait, there's more!

"The American military," the Times reported, "was not able to say how many Iraqi logistics personnel it has trained a computer network crash erased records. These problems have occurred even though the United States has spent $133 million on the weapons program and $666 million on building up Iraqi logistics capabilities."

And more: The inspector general, a Republican attorney named Stuart Bowen, has uncovered millions of dollars in cost overruns of Iraq reconstruction contracts, and his staff accused a State Department agency of cooking some books to hide the rising costs of projects and withholding information from Congress.

And more: The Iraq government doesn't seem inclined to do anything about seeking compromises toward ending sectarian tensions and violence, so more and more military leaders on the ground are moving to the belief that deadlines need to be imposed and a timetable established on the reduction of U.S. forces.

Snip...

Eliot Cohen, another neocon adviser to the Bush administration, says: "I wouldn't be surprised if what we end up drifting toward is some sort of withdrawal on some sort of timetable and leaving the place in a pretty ghastly mess."

John Kerry botched a joke. George Bush botched a war. You tell me what we should be more concerned about on Election Day 2006.

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This was a perfect time to pounce them on Iraq. Kerry would have been doing that had he remained out on the campaign trail.

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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:49 PM
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1. Except that Hillary Schumer are still supporting the invasion at least until after
election day
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:51 PM
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2. There are so many things they could have done, all better than how they reacted.
Sadly, most of them still have learned nothing from the past years.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:52 PM
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3. EXACTLY.
After the election, this incident will be discussed again. We need to remind people that it wasn't Kerry's response at all that made the story go on - it was the refusal of Dems like Hillary to back him up, throw it back in the RW's face, and bring up all these stories that the RW is trying to divert us from. They never should have added fuel to the fire by saying Kerry should apologize. They fell into the RW trap, as well as betraying a teammate.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:01 PM
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5.  It reveals who's who an what's what--They pre-empted Mario
Cuomo with dirt.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:06 PM
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6. It is especially disgusting that
they asked Kerry do stop speaking -
then not only didn't defend* him, and many attacked him.

By defend, I me simply saying like Murtha did that Kerry supports the troops, it was a joke against Bush.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:10 PM
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7. Not only disgusting, counterproductive.
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 02:51 PM by Mass
They asked Kerry to take the amount of money he helped collect for candidates off his website and the media wrote stories on how he took these infos off his website.

They created a story-line out of a non-story. I am sure that Schumer and some others spent time answering questions on their relationship with Kerry that would have been better spent attacking Bush (It happened to Dean on NPR Friday, where Margaret Warner asked him the question not 1, but 3 times. Dean, to his credit, did not alter his answers for that and continued attacking Bush and presenting his program).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:12 PM
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9. They did?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:15 PM
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11. I am talking about the home page that had the list of candidates Kerry supported
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 02:21 PM by Mass
with how much he had raised for each. This page disappeared on Wednesday, and the latest fundraiser for the three candidates who were selected was never launched.

I would assume they did ask him that. I do not see why Kerry would have pulled that himself. Anyway, whoever made the decision, the media wrote about that.

And the flow of print media articles on the subject does not diminish.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:20 PM
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13. Never launched?
How do you know? As I mentioned in another post, I did get a phone call from KAP, I think it was on Friday. I think that the lady I spoke with mentioned some names, but I do not remember which, I must confess she woke me up, and it took a few moments to be "all there".
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:22 PM
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14. I am happy if they did it on the phone. They did not by email.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:29 PM
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15. Yes, you are right
I had forgotten that there was supposed to be another email on behalf of the last three.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:15 PM
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10. They asked them THAT???
I did not know :mad: :mad:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:19 PM
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12. Directly or indirectly, difficult to know.
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 02:19 PM by Mass
However, the last email I received from Kerry was the one to select 3 winners for the last fundraising. It was Wednesday. After that, the call for the last fundraising did not come.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:46 PM
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16. I understand...
...that rather than send out a fundraiser, they decided to make a direct donation from existing funds. Of course, that severely limits the amount that the winners can receive ($2100 I believe, pocket change compared to what would've been raised in the last fundraiser of the election).

Thanks a lot, Hill & Yellow Belly Dems. You caused three Dems in competitive races to not receive a ton of money.

:mad:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:50 PM
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17. OMG!
:mad:
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:12 PM
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8. He was probably asked....
... to lay low, but I am pretty sure that he would have done it any case, especially after the lack of substantive support. WIth a coordinated and substantive support from the dems, things would have been different, but absent that it WAS better for him not to continue to be in the news. Unfortunately, that's the way things are :-(
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:59 PM
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4. All of you are absolurely right!! n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:23 PM
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18. When Nader gets it and the Dems do not, we know that there is a serious pb.
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 04:25 PM by Mass
It is not as if Nader was a Kerry supporter.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/04/18326404.php

I would not imagine Schumer asking in these terms, but Kerry showed the way and they decided to ignore him.
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