An inability to forgive -- a lefty freeper trait

[beachmom]

That for me is what turns me off of these people. "I'll NEVER forgive you for voting for X", they scream. A major turnoff for me, which makes me unable to take any of their arguments seriously. The mentality is not much different than people for the death penalty, because they seek revenge. And it is utterly unlike the Amish who immediately forgave the perpetrator and his family after that horrible shooting in a school.

Tell me why to vote for Candidate Y. Period. If you can only plug your candidate by screaming "I'll never forgive!" to the other candidates, then you really don't have much to run on, do you?

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Nope.

And like I said earlier, using the Iraq War as a political cudgel against your intraparty opponents shows a callous lack of concern for the actual human lives involved. I am SO glad none of these people like Kerry. I wouldn't want them to, given their inability to show any sort of compassion or concern for the actual PEOPLE whose lives are affected by the public policy we are trying to change. To them, it's not about lives at all, but just about the chess and parlor games. How morally vacant.

[beachmom]

2. A certain person just called me a "liar", btw

I find these lefty freeper types to be downright hateful and as you say, callous about American lives. I agree with you -- I wouldn't want them coming over to our neck of the woods to support Kerry, as they completely lack integrity or decency.

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. That's their MO

I am not setting one more foot in GD or GDP for the rest of the night, because nothing I say is going to change anything. The vicious thugs will do what they always do and the mods will ignore it, as usual. It's just a monumental waste of time. I'm glad they hate Kerry as much as they do for the same reason I'm glad freepers hate Kerry as much as they do. Given their noxious lack of any redeeming qualities, I wouldn't want to co-exist with them in any way.

Many of these people are not Democrats, also, just as an FYI. Not that that matters - some are, and they're just as bad. Being a Democrat does not preclude one from being a completely amoral piece of shit.

[beachmom]

7. Hey -- I just decided to use the ignore function

And, like, those threads just disappeared!! Totally awesome. Now I won't be tempted to waste my time with these people again.

[JI7]

11. just contrast it with what Kerry did during the Vietnam War

it wasn't screaming at a bunch of Politicians about how he would never forgive them. it was about getting them to change things. these people are a joke and care nothing about the war.

[beachmom]

13. OMG -- that would be a great thread -- calling out the senators

WHO ENDED THE VIETNAM WAR but who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. I'm not familar enough with Vietnam to do it, but that would give people historic perspective.

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. Their hero McGovern voted for it

As did Bobby Kennedy. That's all I know of off the top of my head as I wasn't alive then but they both voted for it.

Are they EVIL AND RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS OF DEATHS TOOO??????????

These sick fucks don't care about dead American soldiers or dead Iraqi civilians, or they'd be supporting a plan to end the war NOW. They are as morally bankrupt as the Republicans who use war and innocent life as a political tool.

[emulatorloo]

15. As did Eugene McCarthy -- nobody wasted time in the 60s

screaming " BUT EUGENE MCCARTHY VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!!!!!!!"

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. Oh, and he was the big "anti war" candidate

If I had the patience, I would post a thread in GD titled "Here are the DEMOCRATS responsible for the Vietnam War" and then excoriate all three of them for being "complicit in the slaughter of 58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese" and insisting that none of their work to end the war matters because they voted for it, so blood is on their hands, and for them to flip-flop and be against the war is a pure example of political cowardice.

However, I don't have the patience to deal with the ignorant trolls that sort of thread would attract, but if someone here wanted to take it on, I would not mind in the slightest.

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. Oh what the hell

I gone done and stepped in it.

Who knows whether the irony will penetrate any thick skulls out in GD land or not.

[beachmom]

19. I added some historical links. Very interesting actually.

Since it's a very thought provoking thread you put there for which they will have no good argument, good chance it dies. Hopefully more people will see it.

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. Did you know you're part of my "tag team"?

:rofl:

So are all those other people responding on that thread who have never set foot in this forum, I suppose. :crazy:

[Mass]

20. It wont? Did you know that the VietNam War was the first time

somebody used a lie to start a war . So, it is not the same thing!:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

21. A lot of people are going to be scrambling for

logic allergy shots because of you!


:rofl:


:applause:

[Mass]

22. And a drastic rewriting of history (such as Eisenhower sending the troops to VietNam)

[wisteria]

3. Thankfully, I think these types are a minority on DU.

There is something else going on when people don't ever let go of what makes them angry and learn to forgive and forget.

[beachmom]

4. I don't know . . . if you go wander in, say, GD-P, you may find

an extremely hateful bunch of claptrap. With a lot of yes men chiming in. Or something or other . . .

[cadmium]

6. I suspect that a lot of them

are not lefties -- Maybe not here but definitely a lot of the supposed "progressive" lefties that respond on discussion boards like this are right wingers that are posing as Democrats and liberals just to sow dissension.

[sandnsea]

8. One in particular

that has been extremely vocal lately - I'd say is definitely a disruptor mole. There's just something about the rigidity and routineness of their posts that gives them away. I put them on ignore, they're usually banned by the time I check on them a few months later.

[benny05]

9. Actually, it is as though they are righteous

about not forgiving or are proud of it.

I can understand someone in the case of the IWR vote who lost a family member or the family member was wounded seriously to be angry, but to me, we have to forgive our leaders who said, "I made a big mistake, I was wrong, and I realize there are consequences", as long as they really mean it, and figure out how to fix things, such as what Sen Kerry has been trying to do in the Senate, along with Carl Levin, Barbara Boxer, etc.

I left out Senator Obama because he has not recanted for his vote to confirm Condi Rice. JK, Durbin, and Boxer voted no. She, along with the Bushco ilk, are making things worse for our service men and women who are far more brave than the Administration as a whole.

[JI7]

12. those people also don't look to the IWR Vote itself

they care about what people support and want to do.

just take the example of Jim Webb. you think he cares about who voted for the IWR years ago. no, he wants people to support getting out of there regardless of the vote.

[politicasista]

10. Pretty sad that Dems that make a difference get trashed everyday

for promoting the "liberal saints" (i.e. Clark, Gore, or anyone that didn't vote).

Very sad that they don't hold one person accountable and still use this as a litimus test. No matter how many times the people voted "yes" on the IWR say they were wrong, and the ones that voted "no" or didn't vote are heroes, it seems to overshadow the good that Kerry, and others are trying to do. It's isn't fair.

Thanks for the heads up.

[wisteria]

16. The problem with this logic, is you can never know how they

may have really voted if faced with having to vote one way or the another. That includes Gore. My belief is he would have voted just as Kerry did, if he had been in the position to have to decide.And, my position is not any more wrong than theirs is right.
My rationalization could also apply to Obama, Clark, Dean etc. any one who was not faced with having to really make a hard decision. They may have been against it- just as Kerry truly was- but that doesn't necessarily lead to the path of a no vote. There may be a presumption, but no proof other than speculation.

[ProSense]

24. Oh the truth hurts!

What are the chances, see new GD-P thread!

[ProSense]

25. Not just them, there are

others who are just full of shit. Check the Bayh thread!