New MSNBC/WSJ poll has Kerry 4th

[whometense]

among dems, with 11%

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/061213_Released_NBC-WSJ_poll.pdf

THIS TABLE HAS BEEN RANKED BY THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE

Hillary Clinton ............................................
37
Barack Obama ..........................................
18
John Edwards ...........................................
14
John Kerry .................................................
11
Joe Biden ..................................................
4
Evan Bayh .................................................
3
Bill Richardson ..........................................
2
Tom Vilsack ..............................................
-
Other (VOL).............................................
3
None (VOL) .............................................
3
Not sure ..................................................
5

[fedupinBushcountry]

1. I saw that on the bottom scroll

during Hardball, it was a WSJ poll. I was wondering where Rita Cosby got her numbers from which showed him at 5%.

Also on the scroll they also said that JK has a meeting with evangelical leasers at his D.C. house and a 4 hour meeting with Pastor Rick Warren, I'm not sure when that took place.

[Dr Ron]

2. Democrats and Evangelicals

There's a little info on Kerry and other Democrats meeting with evangelicals, etc in this post:

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=754

[JI7]

3. why is Hillary so high still ?

with all the positive attention Obama and some that Edwards has recieved why is she still up there. is it because people are looking for experience ?

[wisteria]

4. I don't think people are looking at all, they are responding to a well

known name. Kerry even said, people aren't really putting much thought into their votes right now.
I just honestly do not trust the Hillary numbers. I can't give you facts, it is just a hunch, but her numbers just don't reflect what I hear from everyday people.

[karynnj]

5. Hillary is still the one that most pundits refer to as the front runner

So those wanting to "vote for the winner" pick her. Others are entranced with getting Bill back and havbe bought the line only Clintons can win. Others like the idea of a woman President. People have been told for 2 years that she is the winner. In early spring, the numbers fell from the 45% range to the mid 30s. But there has been no movement since.

Obama has had a big surge based on relatively little real information - not to say he isn't good, just most people are picking him knowing very little. You may be right that lack of experience may be what will ultimately limit those 2, but I give Obama credit for MORE experience than Edwards. In 2004, you saw how Edwards paled next to Kerry.

The real experience would be Gore or Kerry. Biden and Dodd also have a lot of experience, but neither has caught on. Gore seems reluctant to run, but that could change.

[JI7]

6. what i intersting to me is that Kerry is a lot higher than i would have expected

i wouldn't have been surprised if he was low considered all the negative reporting on him. i think ti's more evidence of a strong and loyal fan base. it's what helped him win in 2004. people who stuck by him even at the lowest points and just kept working their asses off.

[karynnj]

8. I agree - even if this is at the high end of the range

it shows a lot of improvement just from the interviews he has done. It is near where he was. Also, you have to consider that similar to the Dean attack - where many inside the belt way people followed - the party people know who did what and he did a lot.

Also, it is easy to give money to any candidate via their web site - people who gavevia Kerry's appeal - obviously read his email. That is a big thing. How many political emails did you simply delete from others or how many mailed solitations did you throw out unopenned

[benny05]

7. Rudy is too high in the polls too

I keep thinking there is a media bias in how they ask questions in order to rekindle the NY Senate Race of 2000. Rudy will get knocked out before long with his family history.

[JI7]

9. the media refers to Rudy as the "hero of 9/11" or "America's mayor"

so it's no surprise he is so high. but with his record on abortion, gay rights, gun control, it can't play too well with the republican primary voters who are some of the most right wing around.

[jillan]

10. Today while everyone was asking the stupid question

about why Kerry is going to run again...:boring:

some pundit on Msnbc was talking about how Kerry has the #1 email list left over from the election & how he has kept it going by sending out emails about what he is doing.

Dam right! All of these naysayers are in for a rude awakening.

[ginnyinWI]

11. pundits v.s. voters

They want an entertainer; we want a leader. 'Nuf said!

[Mass]

12. This reflects what all the other polls have been saying.

The only difference is that Gore is not in the list, so Edwards, Obama, and Kerry seems a little higher.

There are three tiers in the race at this point according to the polls, though this does not mean anything for the future:

First tier: Clinton. She is the frontrunner at this point, whatever this means.
Second tier: Edwards, Gore, Kerry, Obama - In most polls, between 7 and 15, with some variations.

Third tier: everybody else.

My guess is that Gore is not running. I am not sure for Obama, but it is interesting that, even with all the good media, he is still within reach of Edwards and Kerry. He may surge if he announces, or he may stay the same. Difficult to know. Same thing for Edwards and Kerry.

The rest are people who are basically unknown from the general public. Any of them could be a surprise, just like Dean was a surprise in 03, but it is to them to make the move, and I do not see any of them doing a surprising move that would excite people. Clark is not on the list, though. I suspect he may be a large part of the 3% Others.

I suspect Hillary's numbers are a little bit high because the unsure are a little bit low (leaning votes at this point generally go to the frontrunner).

[demdiva]

13. And Bush is at a new low

Who knew it was possible

Prior low on this poll was 36% approve / 57% disapprove in April 2006

And now he's at 34% approve / 61% disapprove

Edited to say that his numbers on Iraq are even worse. I heard this morning worse then Nixon during Vietnam.

23% approve and 71% disapprove....holy cow