Being a real statesman, I don't get it

[politicasista]

No, I am not trying to waste space or bandwidth playing "attention seeker" or the "Princess of Darkness" but I am noticing some hypocrisy out "there."

So Kerry decides to jump into The Pit (if you want to call it that :)) and endorse a candidate, instead of remaining neutral until a nominee is chosen, he is considered "un-statesman-like", but others (former presidential candidates or other politicians) who haven't endorsed anyone are the opposite, "statesman-like."

And if Kerry can multitask (i.e. Obama's surrogate, working on Senate work, etc.) the things that he worked hard for since 2005 are no longer important or a big deal to some. It becomes all about what he didn't do (i.e. he is a fraud and loser who took our money, and didn't count OH, and so on), he is considered no longer respected, but others who are in DC doing their jobs, and other things are considered respected, and really caring about what's important (i.e. ending the war, FISA, etc).

I understand it is sour grapes and the primary circus but the hypocrisy and double standard is startling, if not amazing. I just don't get it or maybe I am not supposed to get it.


Ignore and hide thread have been good friends. :)

[Democrafty]

1. Maybe it's because he's not disinterested?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/statesmanship

Frankly, I'd rather have an interested promoter of the public good than a statesman any day. :)

[politicasista]

2. Bingo! n/t

[karynnj]

3. Because he's effective

If he were awful, you would see the Obama people saying he is well meaning, but go away. That is not happening - even on the other past where people on the blog said they didn't help - it's just disappointment that Obama didn't win.

It's a toss up who are stranger - the Clinton people or the Edwards people. The Clinton people who said for weeks that he should have stayed neutral - but were thrilled that in states like CA and NJ they had almost the entire Democratic power elite. Even in MA, they had some of the people in Congress - such as Rep McGovern. A fact that they were very proud of - and should be because he is a good guy. The Edwards people, who defended Edwards when he and his wife said negative things about Kerry, but criticize Kerry when he praises Edwards while endorsing Obama.

Both groups have quickly posted their endorsements very proudly. The list of people who aren't allowed to endorse is just Kerry and Kennedy.

[politicasista]

4. Yep. The double standard is weird

I mean really weird.

[karynnj]

5. This may be the other part of the reason for the hate in the HRC camp

$5 million of the 13.5 million Clinton raised in January was from .... HRC. I have no idea how much of Obama's $32 million was via Kerry 's list - but I bet there was a little green eyed monster who wanted it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=132&topic_id=4439758&mesg_id=4440366

[politicasista]

6. Yep

Maybe I am just sick of the bashing, but I know it's going to get worse. Much worse becasue 2008 is easier this time around, if not more nastier.

[beachmom]

7. A front page post is giving Kerry some credit for that $32 million

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/6/16517/43446/250/451308

The Kerry email/donor list seems to have given the Obama campaign a big boost from smaller donors. Unless Hillary can figure out a way to tap into these donors or a new pool of financial donors, she may be in trouble.

[politicasista]

8. That's interesting

Even though it won't silence the "I gave lots of money to Kerry to count the votes in OH in 04 and "he walked with our money" crowd, that's interesting. (Ok, I guess reading that line from people I respect is pretty depressing).

[MarjorieG]

10. 2006 and crossover success from not fighting inevitable loss

Election activists think their cause would have gotten better exposure by contesting, but with inconclusive results, media and DNC shutting it down, gain what?

Not fighting, gave us a better Dem appeal and future.

Like their wanting to hear policy spoken the way surely not to succeed. An article talked about Obama's liberal positions delivered with Conservative language, but our people prefer it divisive. Nuts.

[wisteria]

11. That is good to know. n/t

[politicasista]

9. I guess this is why I don't get it

And still may never get it.

Comments like this one make me sad to read. Only because this poster wrote a nice account on meeting and respecting Kerry on the last week of the election of 2004. :(

I understand there is hurt. And it may be more than that.

Maybe I am with beachmom. I just don't understand or maybe that's why I am somewhwat disenchanted right now, when I shouldn't be.

[karynnj]

12. I think that person may eventually rethink things

I think she was blinded by faith in Edwards - to a point where she didn't get that he very purposely severed ties with JK and went out of his way to say that in many things people IN RETROSPECT were mad at Kerry for were things he (edwards) fought Kerry on. (ie SBVT, conceding) Elizabeth completely tried to feed the aloof, out of touch elite label especially for THK to contrast how they were working people (though I think they were millionaires by 30.) Yet, she was hurt when JK endorsed Obama - partly because she knew that JK did mean something. (I did not see her care with any other endorsement.) I'm glad someone :) pmed me with the earlier one after I responded to her. Over time, she may see that JK is constantly doing the right thing and her respect may return - after the election stuff.

I think a lot of the anger of people who were not the lefty freepers is because they see a person they trusted working against their candidate and they KNOW he is very effective and when he commits to something - he commits. The one I am surprised by is Pirahana, who is now often saying things that she would have alerted on a year ago.

[politicasista]

13. I think so too

A lot of it is just lashing out. (same with pirhana and saracat). It's an emotional lashing out that the candidates that should or should have been there didn't make it far, so they are taking it out on Kerry while promoting or talking up the candidates that didn't get far, and one they're supporting now. And the fact that he didn't wait until a nominee was selected. He chose to get involved, but didn't endorse candidates they though he would.

Everything is just really baffling.