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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:19 AM
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To our PA Kerrycrats on DU, please talk PA
I hear reports on the elderly's Hillary love, Stara Bara (?), and would Teresa be helpful there? These are her issues. How do we win PA?

Also, curious about the voting machinery there. Still have Danaher, any paper ballot/scanners, problems last couple elections?

Thanks

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:32 AM
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1. Still have Danaher in my county.
I don't know about the situation with the elderly - why do they like Hillary anyway? I haven't gotten into too many of those discussions. Lately my time has been taken up with work (my boss who is from India LOVES Hillary - I do understand that one!), a local environmental committee (partisan political discussions would get in the way of getting actual work done), and another local group who are all pretty unlikely to vote for Hillary anyway (but some of them won't vote for Obama in the GE either, sigh). I know I should probably start working for Obama's campaign but my plate is already overflowing, and I am thoroughly fed up with electoral politics at this point. (A change to Independent may be in my future. Except then I won't get to vote in primaries. Hmmm, maybe not such a loss.)

My thoughts on Danaher: so far they've apparently worked well in practice. As a process expert, I shudder to think that in my county, the most important process in democracy cannot be audited. But most people just see how much easier it is to use the new machines vs. the old ones, and the outcomes so far have been pretty much what folks expected (no red flags in the vote counts), so everyone has their head in the sand. On the bright side, it seems that it would take a substantial conspiracy - multiple people involved, at significant personal risk - to deliberately manipulate the results. Machine failure is a completely different - and more visible - scenario, and is probably what it will take to convince people that we need a more reliable and auditable process.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:03 PM
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3. Thanks.
Elderly feel Hillary is more focused on real problems, Medicaid, etc, than the 'cocky younger Senator.'

If Hillary and Co succeed in tearing down who is a better candidate for the future of the world and the Party, by arguing big states we'd win anyway, I'll be more disillusioned than ever.

Danaher does have reported problems, and the whole national vote in 2008 keeps me up nights.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:00 AM
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2. THK could definitely have some influence in PA
I wonder if she'd be willing to hit the campaign trail before 4/22?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:43 PM
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7. she already appeared at the Mass Rally before Super Tuesday
so i think she would be willing to.

here is a pic from that rally

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:29 PM
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4. I have lived in the philly area and now live outside of Pittsburgh.
The part that is sometimes referred to as pennsyciltucky. And, IMHO, Senator Obama needs to do meet and greet with the older people so that they feel comfortable with him.The young college students are with him already. They elderly mistrust anything new and different and gravitate towards what they are comfortable with. They know Hillary, they remember the "good times" and needed to be gently reminded of the bad days with the Clinton's. He has to offer them more than they think Hillary will. They also must feel secure and safe and this is where Sen. Clinton is playing her cards right.
I can tell you this, they can be counted on to vote no matter what. I have seen them come with all their medical apparatus and travel to the polls by wheelchair just to vote- which they consider their patriotic duty.
The big issue is they have to feel confident and comfortable with Senator Obama. He will have a lot of selling to do.

I won't get into the embedded party structure that is behind Clinton. Though, I will say Senator Obama has a lot of selling and work to do in PA.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM
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5. Sophie Masloff, who first endorsed Hillary
withdrew her endorsement. Sophie was Pittsburgh mayor, and is a pretty important voice in Pittsburgh with a lot of influence among the elderly and Jewish voters. She's also a superdelegate.
Wonder if she'll endorse Obama? That would help.
Teresa would be excellent. I hope she does some campaigning.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:25 PM
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9. Yes, I hope Masloff endorses Obama.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:25 PM by wisteria
With her help maybe Pittsburgh will go for Obama and the strong minority vote in Philly for him also. The Philadelphia mayor, who is black, has endorsed Clinton, but it remains to be seen if he can influence others to vote for his choice. The suburbs are ifee as well as my area outside of Pittsburgh. I can tell you the current Westmoreland County Committee Chairman, who was the chair when the Clinton's were in the White House, then stepped aside, ran again in 2005 and was reelected. I think it can be said that he will be a strong Clinton support and will use his influence this time around on behalf of Hillary. There is some Obama movement in regards to grassroots efforts, I just heard about tonight in of all places- Jeannette, Pa. (I use to work in that area)
I would love to see Teresa come and talk to some of the elderly in and around Pittsburgh and the suburbs. This time though, we should keep a close watch on the Scaife paper- the Tribune Review. Clinton I remember reading a while ago, has struck up a "friendship" of sorts recently with Scaife. Why, I don't know, but I can guess it has something to do with helping Hillary.

My hope is that Senator Obama can surprise them all and capture PA.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:38 PM
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6. We're on a PA tour this April, May, rooting for the Chicago Cubs
In Philly, April 11-13, and Pittsburgh, May 24-27, available at least for a Saturday afternoon, 4-12, to help.

Any Kerrycrats going to see baseball that time to share a hello?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:44 PM
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8. i'm worried a bit about Rendell, how popular is he in the state
he has been bashing Obama for a long time now.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:32 PM
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10. Rendell owes the Clinton's. His wife was appointed a Philadelphia Federal Judge
by Bill Clinton. Randell is a good man, but plays old politics.(favor for a favor) He has a lot of influence in Philadelphia especially and within the Democratic party structure. He was a former DA, then Mayor then Governor- he is well like among Democrats in the cities. What he is doing behind the scenes worries me a lot.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 AM
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11. What about what he is doing in front of
a TV camera? Did you see him on MTP yesterday?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:36 PM
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12. Yes, and I saw him on CNN today. I am not happy with his responses to questions and
I don't feel I can trust him to be up and up about this election anymore. I don't trust anything he says now. He is entitled to support whomever he wishes, but not try to arrange it so that Hillary has unfair advantage over Obama in Pa. It worries me that the Clinton's and their supporters are putting so much effort into all of this when she is behind in delegates and in states won. They must figure they can do something to make her our candidate in the general election. I just hope we can overcome the Clinton machine and their win at any cost strategies.
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ralbertson Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:24 AM
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13. I wrote a personal overview of PA politics for the JK.com blog yesterday
Also cross-posted it to DU, where it immediately got buried by the hundreds of pointless Oh Noes! OMFG!! This is HUGH!11!! blithery-blathery posts about Spitzergate (yawn). So feel free to read & comment on my Pennsylvania piece in its natural habit instead:

http://www.johnkerry.com/2008/3/10/a-small-piece-of-pennsylvania

Some excerpts from said essay:


A small piece of Pennsylvania


Everybody's eyes are on Pennysylvania these days. Thanks to the whipsaw nature of the Democratic presidential primary race this year, Pennsylvania's in the spotlight when it comes to electoral politics on the national stage. People everywhere are talking about Pennsylvania -- what it is, what it's like, what it all means. Pundits are pontificating right and left about Pennsylvania voters -- who they are, who're they're for, what they're going to do on April 22. And, inevitably, most of them are wrong a lot of the time.

Pennsylvania is just like Ohio, the talking heads are telling us. Well, yes and no. Some parts of Pennsylvania are just like parts of Ohio, demographically speaking. Other parts, not so much. Pennsylvania is a very big place. And, like Ohio, it's a very diverse place, with different parts of the state displaying significantly different historical and sociocultural influences.

The Appalachian Mountains run diagonally through Pennsylvania from lower left to upper right, physically as well as demographically dividing it into several dissimilar environments. Fully a third of the state's 12 million residents live in the Philadelphia metropolitan area, which bustles along the Delaware River valley in the southeastern corner of PA and sprawls across the Delaware and New Jersey lines to include another 2 million of their neighbors.

Another 2-1/2 million Pennsylvanians live in the southwestern part of the state, in the greater Pittsburgh area, near the upper edge of some of the most rugged parts of the Appalachians. While the sociocultural roots of PA's two biggest population centers could hardly be more different, they are both large, sophisticated urban centers and day-to-day life for their residents is more similar than not.

The day-to-day lives of people in Pittsburgh and Philly may be similar, but they are quite different from day-to-day life in the old coal-mining and steel towns of the Lehigh Valley, or the bucolic farmlands of the northwestern region, or the high-tech haven of State College, or the Amish country along the Maryland border, or the forested hills that share a border with western New York. Nearly half the population of Pennsylvania is spread out thinly but relatively evenly in small towns and villages all across the state.

That's the reason for another oft-repeated (and, in many ways, also wrong) quote that the pundits love to trot out when they're discussing Pennsylvania politics. Yes, James Carville did in fact say that "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between." But he said it in 1986, when the state's demographics were quite different than they are today. And he said it in the context of an in-state election, not a presidential primary, when Carville ran his first big race for former Governor Bob Casey, Sr.

{snip}

Erie, PA is in many ways an archetypical microcosm of middle American thoughts, tastes, and values -- so much so that it has always been one of the advertising and marketing industry's favorite test markets. (In fact, the "McSame" political ads that a pro-Democratic 527 group is rolling out were first tested in Erie several weeks ago.) If it works in Erie, it'll work most everywhere else. If it won't work in Erie, though, it probably won't work anywhere else between the coasts. Erie's not an easy sell, and never has been. According to George Burns, back in the vaudeville days the standard marker phrase was, "if you think you're good, play Erie."

I grew up in Erie, and I still have family there. I was able to spend a good bit of time in Erie during and since the 2004 election cycle, and I keep track of what the political feel is like on the ground there. Like the rest of the country, I'll be watching closely to see what happens in Pennsylvania in the weeks leading up to its April 22 primaries. But because of what I know about the current lay of the land in Erie, I think a lot of those pundits pontificating about what Pennsylvania's going to do politically in 2008 based on something James Carville said in 1986 are going to be surprised at just how wrong they turn out to be this time around.


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