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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:34 PM
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Kerry's public position on the Conyers's petition
Edited on Tue May-31-05 08:42 PM by paineinthearse
Dr. Fate: need support from Dean and Kerry for Conyers's petition. Can anyone provide a link to a Kerry's public position.

Please see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1819990&mesg_id=1820441
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:43 PM
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:52 PM
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2. I haven't heard a specific thing about the Downing Street Minutes
At all. It hasn't come up yet. If I see, hear or read anything, I will post it.

Other things that generated substantial postings on the blogs has made it into statements. (Or, as in the Fake News videos, actual proposed legislation that actually had a hearing in the Commerce Committee.) Should this happen, I'll post it.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:28 PM
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3. thank you
Edited on Tue May-31-05 09:28 PM by paineinthearse
I've been away and just catching up, perhaps tomorrow I'll have the time and inclination to write our junior senator.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:38 PM
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4. How do you guys feel about that
The fact that the Dem leadership isn't getting involved. Opinions as to why not? Do you think the anger is justified? Or are some getting worked up for naught.

I find myself thinking that we already knew that we'd been misled into war. This is further proof. I keep thinking "No duh." What am I missing. Should I be beating my chest as well because the leadership isn't covering this?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 10:52 PM
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6. I think the leadership is worried that the memo might not be
the smoking gun that everyone is saying it is... it seems all BushCo has to do is deny that anything was said, that the writer of the memo misinterpreted... it becomes "he said, she said" and the Dems end up with egg on their face - especially knowing that the media here is NOT going to investigate this properly and in fact will be looking for any opportunity to hang this around some Dem leader's neck.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:54 PM
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8. like the cbs national guard thing and the newsweek thing on the Quran
the media focused on it in a way where it makes it seem someone wrongly accused the Bush administration of something.

but looking into the details it's nothing like that and in fact it's Bush who is at fault or needs to answer some questions.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:45 AM
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9. it's good that this is getting the coverage that it is
But I think it's mainly the media's job, not any individual politician's job to see that it gets coverage. Or am I missing something? It's good for Conyers to collect signatures, and I signed too, but every person in the House and Senate shouldn't need to be devoting full time to it.

Legislators should legislate; reporters should report.

A related thought: I am reminded of something I read last fall-- someone said that the mistake Dems usually make is that they believe that if they just get facts to people, then everyone will be convinced and start seeing things their way. But this just isn't true if people are reacting because of emotions like fear or anger. The facts can't reach them. The chimp could put on a Tarzan suit and start swinging from the White House chandeliers and they would find some way to give him a pass.
When Watergate broke, the nation was horrified and the President shamed into resigning. But now the people are disillusioned about their leaders after Nixon, the Clinton smears, and now Bush, and they just tune it all out. As long as there isn't another terror attack here in the U.S. they feel whatever Bush had to do was and is worth it.
This is my cynical side showing. Maybe tomorrow my hopeful side will be back--but I'll still think that this is going to take time, with public opinion moving at glacier-speed. I hope I'm wrong, and that we are further along in the process--it's hard to tell until something breaks--the proverbial tipping point. So we have to keep on plugging away at getting the truth out.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:49 PM
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5. KICK KICK KICK
:kick::kick::kick:

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION

It would show the great American on my sig line that you appreciate all his work.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:15 PM
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7. Done
and done
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:29 PM
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10. I signed it, hon! And he is a great guy!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:59 AM
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11. Not the petition per se, but the memo
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-05/06-02-05/a01lo167.htm

Sen. Kerry puzzled over the apparent lack of interest by Americans in the Iraq war and the near silence in the U.S. mass media about the so-called Downing Street Memo.
That leaked secret document, the minutes of a 2003 cabinet meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, says bluntly that Mr. Bush had decided to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "intelligence was being fixed around the policy."
It caused an uproar in Great Britain and badly hurt Mr. Blair in national elections but went almost unnoticed in the United States.
"When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," he said of the memo, which has not been disputed by either the British or American governments. "I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."
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