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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:41 AM
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Anyone listening to Kerry on the Sub-Comm
http://commerce.senate.gov/

June 8th.



Manufacturing Competitiveness in a High-Tech Era
Technology, Innovation, and Competitiveness Hearing
Wednesday, June 8 2005 - 9:30 AM - SR-253


Webcast: Click here to view a live webcast of this hearing.
Description: On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, at 9:30 a.m. in room 253 of the Russell Building, the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Technology, Innovation, and Competitiveness will hold a hearing on Manufacturing Competitiveness in a High-Tech Era. The hearing will address the current challenges that confront American manufacturers, examine how manufacturers have responded to these challenges, discuss how recent technological innovations have impacted the manufacturing industry, and explore what government should do to help American manufacturers remain competitive in today’s global economy. Witnesses will be announced when available.



This first witness is ripe for a takedown. Claims everything good comes from the tax custs.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:46 AM
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1. Got it now.
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 08:49 AM by whometense
Damn. Did I miss him???

D'Oh!! Allen??????? God.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:51 AM
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2. This is actually good stuff
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 08:53 AM by TayTay
The NV Senator mentioned Kerry by name. I'm not sure if he is there.

HOWEVER, this is the exact stuff that we need to hear. Even Sen. Barfbag is making some good points. (OMG, 2 Our Fathers and 3 Hail Mary's for saying something nice about him.)

This kind of stuff is exactly where the Dems and Rethugs differ. Tax cuts? More cutting of the legal rights of Americans to file suit against companies that make faulty products? We must cut helath care benefits in order to be competitive? Red-meat stuff. Couldn't be clearer in the difference between parties. It's all here.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:57 AM
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3. What? TayTay this is dull
Well, it's not a Broadway Show, but, listen to what the Rethugs think will solve everything: lessening trade restrictions, doing whatever business wants to erode American worker's rights in order to boost profits and so forth. This is basic Rethuggery.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:00 AM
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5. Plus,
don't forget the ****Energy Bill*****. It will solve all known ills.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:59 AM
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4. I give no quarter on
Sen. Barfbag. He says the right things, but he has my cognitive dissonance alarm bells ringing like mad. I can't listen to any of these right wing repugnuts talk about our need for scientists without feeling like I'm going to lose my breakfast.

How dare they talk about the "need for science"?? You can't support the kind of "nanotechnology" he's all for and cut scholarship aid.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:01 AM
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6. Kerry just got there!!!
:loveya: Needed to see him this morning. :loveya:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:02 AM
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7. This should be good
This encompasses so much. There are Dem positions and Rethug positions. If Kerry doens't ream them on this, I'll eat my hat.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:03 AM
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8. No national plan.
You guys are cutting the manufacturing extension program. Why? So we can give the wealthiest people in America a tax break?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:05 AM
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9. The Rethug error in logic
The Tax cuts will spur investment and have that trickle down effect. But this is not so. (China is losing manufacturing jobs, ferchrissakes.) Tax cuts are not the answer. (Neither are cutting worker's legal rights or benefits.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:06 AM
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10. obligatory shallow comment
(If softens my wonkiness.) He looks great!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:09 AM
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12. Yes.
Yes, he does. :evilgrin:

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:08 AM
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11. American companies don't think strategically
This is a huge problem. Americans think in terms of short-term gains, not long-term planning. This is a huge problem. India and China are planning for educational resources for their people that don't have huge loan burdens and such. This is vital!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:10 AM
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13. Wow! Great
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 09:12 AM by TayTay
Lots of cuts
Why?
Because this years's budget required it.
Why?

Only manufacturing job created in America is this guy's. Nice line Senator.

Kerry is reaming him. (Told ya, I told ya this would be a good one.)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:12 AM
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14. Yeah, he really is.
46% cut. Not, it was 90% No, 46%. Well then, what was the justification for a 46% cut?

Ooooh. Sexy glasses.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:13 AM
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15. He is really great today
not letting this guy go away with his crap.

Too bad it is finished now.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:14 AM
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16. Kerry's still talking. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:16 AM
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17. Yes, I commented just as Ensign told him it was finished
but he continued for a while.

Now Pryor.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:19 AM
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20. So, let's see if I have this right.
The answer to the manufacturing and technology problems are to create a new bureaucracy? A BOOK gave him his marching orders? I can't fathom how these idiots think government is supposed to work.

Pryor's good.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:21 AM
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21. Pryor is very good
His voice and pitch sounds softer (sounds being the operative word here, LOL!) He actually plays very well after Kerry.

Gawd, Rethugs do stay on message, I'll give them that.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:17 AM
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19. I hope Kerry stays and questions the next panel.
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 09:19 AM by TayTay
That was great stuff.

The budget is being cut in exactly the way it needs to be boosted. Kerry called this guy on his bullshit. (And the budget is not honest in this and so much more.)

Nice job. Despite what Kerry said about this being non-partisan, do you see what I mean about the differences? Rethugs say, extend the tax cuts, enact more tort reform and all will be well. This is awful and untrue.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:17 AM
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18. He was great
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 09:22 AM by karynnj
Franks (?) really couldn't answer any of Kerry's points. He also seems to not even get the bigger picture. The trend in technology is quite dangerous and Kerry really summed it up beautifully.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:29 AM
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22. Is Kerry
ranking member?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:31 AM
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23. Yes.
He is of this and a few other comms. (Small Business, out and out)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:55 AM
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24. Sen. Barfbag:
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:27 AM by TayTay
I can't add anything, so I'll just parrot your comments.

I learned the word 'Nanotech.' That's all I remember. Can't talk about anything else. I miss Sen. Wyden. He used to coach me on this stuff. Now I have to speak on my own. Sigh. Nanotech.

I got good press in Va. And we now call VA, the semiconductor dominion. Hmmm, catchy.

OMG, what tax policies help. Tax, tax, tax.

VAers --- How did this guy ever get elected? He is dumb as a post.

Gawd, when he finishes, Kerry should pull out his car keys and say, "Now George be quiet and I'll let you play with the shiny keys."
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:09 AM
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25. Snurk. (suppressed giggle)
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:10 AM by whometense
Must be a little scary to be a staffer sitting back there when your senator reaches around for some data.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:10 AM
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26. And he's supposedly going to run for Prez in '08
Continuing the * tradition of being "dumb as a post". Gawd help us all...
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:12 AM
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27. You can tell by his
tone of voice that Kerry respects the Georgia Tech guy.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:15 AM
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28. Very much so
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:24 AM by TayTay
and he completely and fully backs what Kerry said out on the trail last year. Every single bit of it. (And Sen. Barfbag is managing to keep quiet and play with his blocks.)

Oooh, sexy reading glasses! Like that. (I am so shallow.)

Sigh! That was great. So true and so well argued.

Sen. Barfbag now to state the obvious.

"If it weren't for the Guttenburg Press, Martin Luthors 95 thesis (or feces, Allen's diction is off) would have been read by very few people." OMG, how did this guy ever get elected? What the hell goes on in Virginia? Allen is dumber than the average post. (I wonder if he gave JKerry back his keys before he left.)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:21 AM
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29. Nah, just female!
:evilgrin:

That was beautiful!!!! God, he's so smart. And now Barfbag looks up from his blocks and wastes some oxygen.

Ok, JK stalker alert - where's he going now????
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:26 AM
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30. Some meeting
Probably with Dem Leadership. They are strategizing on Bolton and the Judicial Appointments. He may (or may not) make appearances on the floor today. (Janice Rogers Brown nomination and stuff.)

I just switched to C-Span 2. Nice hearing btw. I think I will post a long-winded and wonky thing on it tonight. It deals with issues that are the key to the future.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:50 AM
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31. Thanks for posting the link
Although it won't happen it would be great if more people saw the Senators in these hearings. Both because the issues will determine what kind of country we'll have and to see how good many of the Senators are and how idiotic some are - Why is Allen on this committee? - he seemed lost.

Kerry was brilliant in connecting everything. (Although he said he's been in the Senate for 22 years again.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:55 AM
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32. I have decided to just skip it on the 22 years
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:55 AM by TayTay
I think he is saying 22 in state and federal government. It's too small a point for me to become obsessed with and I will skip it. (I will try and skip. Honestly I will.)

This was a good hearing. It was to the point and raised some exceptional issues that need to be addressed. And it had that high entertainment factor with George Allen talking both before and after John Kerry. (Poor Sen. Barfbag. He is just a moron. Again, Virginia, what the hell were you thinking?)

Anyway, this was good stuff. Kerry made his points well. We do need to fund education better and fund NSF and other federal programs that give the boost to competitiveness in the US. And taxes are not the answer to everything.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:34 AM
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33. I never noticed it - until you (or someone) pointed it out
He is so accurate otherwise that it's kind of cute. It was interesting how even some of the Republicans pointed to things he said. I wish this type of stuff could have been addressed more in the campaign - as Bush doesn't seem to care that we need to be technologically competent.

I still don't get what the administration's goal is on this. Unless they really see the future as the world being the US's empire, I don't get what the US offers if we're not more innovative. (At some point, we have to have more than service industry jobs.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:57 AM
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34. Robert Reich addressed this in his talk
the Globalization movement works very, very well for those at the top and those who have a great deal of education and who are well-connected. These folks make out like bandits. Their wealth and income are going up at a fantastic rate.

The problem is with everyone below the top 10% of income. (Okay, at a stretch, even below the top 20%.) They are losing income, wealth (like home equity and so forth) and are now losing health care benefits, pensions and, possibly, social security benefits. The issues that came up in this hearing talk to these problems. We must have more high school kids consider careers in the sciences. However, if their parents are losing ground economically and can't afford to pay for college for their kids, then we are not going to grow the number of students in the sciences. (There are so many other things that come off of this discussion.) Today's hearing was very very good in bringing a lot of that to light.

the 22 years thing annoyed me, but I am going to ignore it. (It is too small to notice.) It makes me feel small so I have decided not to bring it up anymore. I think he is looking back at 22 years of serving in office. He's right in that.
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