I enjoyed saying this entirely too much

[LittleClarkie]

Kos is in hot water with some of his Kossacks for an ad for the new Gilligan's Island showing Ginger and Marianne having a pie fight that looks more like a mud wrestling match.

To make matters worse, Kos is being arrogant and insensitive about the uproar, telling the "woman's studies" crowd to get over it, essentially. He tried again last night with a "if you don't like my blog you can leave" post.

I enjoyed writing the following, and managed to get in a jab for Kerry to boot:

"Eh, sometime Kos you're very insightful

and sometimes you're an immature asshat.

If I let that bother me, I'd have left when I noticed that you will bend over backwards to defend Dean regardless, and bend over backwards to slam Kerry regarless.

If you prefer to have your head up your ass and enjoy the view, what's it to me? If people wanna leave, they will. If enough people leave, perhaps you will become an irrelevant immature asshat. Time will tell.

Don't forget however, that this blog space is what it is not only because of your postings but because of the postings of many thousands of others.

I would give empathy the old college try if I were you."

[JohnKleeb]

1. Hes a douchebag

I can't stand his crap because he seems to have a vendetta for Kerry and all Democrats who seem to get in his former emoployer's way. Anyhow about Dean, all the stuff is making me feel very uneasy, I'll give him a chance but I want him to stop this crap, it furthers the division in this country, and if anything he should stay away from the GOP are white christians comments because the republican who responds to him more often than not is Ken Mehlman, and Mehlman is Jewish. He's setting himself up by saying that. To tell the truth though, I dont think Dean really feels that way about the republicans, I think he is pandering which is a shame. I am getting mad because anyone who is critical of what he says is said to be out to get him and are almost always labeled a DLCer. Pardon fucking me, just because I dont think what Dean is framing this right doesn't make me a DLCer. I think he has the right point often but he words it terribly and the GOP has a field day with his words. Sorry, I am just frustrated at this attiude, I am in the minority I guess but I don't hate individual republicans like too many people in GD do.

[BlueIris]

10. I really don't like that term...but you're right. How right you are.

God, I cannot STAND the hate-on Kos has for Kerry. Or any number of other things for which he can demonstrate no valid reason for hating. I can tolerate a lot from those critical of Kerry but he goes...way beyond.

[saracat]

2. Great job, LC, or should I say"insightful"?

:7 :toast: :applause:

[Mass]

3. kos is an idiot and there are too many interesting blogs to focus on him.

Here is an interesting analysis of the dean problem in thecarpetbaggerreport.com

June 08, 2005
Dean's message 'problem'
Posted 1:43 pm | Printer Friendly

I've been hesitant to weigh in on Howard Dean and his more colorful comments of late, but the problem doesn't seem to be going away and I want to add my two cents. I'm not prepared to blame Dean, but I believe it's up to him to make this situation better before it becomes an even greater distraction.

As all of you know, Dean's caused something of an uproar by offering some, shall we say, intemperate remarks about Republicans. Late last week, he said "a lot" of Republicans "have never made an honest living." Yesterday, with the media spotlight shining brighter, Dean told a California audience that Republicans are "a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."

If anyone's surprised that Dean has a proclivity for provocative remarks about Republicans, they haven't been paying attention. His passion is what led so many people to like him in the Dem primaries in late 2003, and his aggressive style is exactly what helped him get the DNC chairmanship's job in the first place. We hired a pugilist; it's foolish to ask him to refrain from taking a swing now and then.
The question, of course, is how Dean should target those punches and what other Dems are going to do when a stray punch lands below the belt.
<snip>
I didn't support Dean during the Dem primaries, but I like a lot of what I've seen of him as DNC chair. I want him to be aggressive. I want him to go after the GOP with all he's got, even if that means going over the top on occasion. I just want him to be a little smarter about it with regards to message discipline.
<snip>
For better of worse, Dean's fiery side has put him in the spotlight. With just a little restraint and targeting, Dean can use it to his — and the party's — advantage.

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. My thoughts exactly

It's not his style or even basic message I disagree with so much as his inability to differentiate between a good hard slam of the Republican leadership - excoriating them for their hypocrisy and unethical stances - and a cheap shot that detracts from the larger message (ie, the Tom Delay jail comment). He could've really nailed Delay, but instead, the controversy became about Dean's poor choice of words, and the crimes of Delay once again got a pass from the MSM.

[JohnKleeb]

5. He words things so bad

Instead of talking about how the GOP is a bunch of white christians, he should talk about why our party is better for minorities, bringing up our long committment to equality and tolerance. He doesn't even really have to bring up the GOP in that context and the thing is whenever he slams the GOP as being a bunch of white christian, its the Jewish RNC head Mehlman who responds, and that is really bad. Like its bad enough he said like he did and then the first person to respond to his allegations, his frigging counterpart in the republican party happens to be Jewish. Its just really ignorant of him to do that. I wont lie and say the GOP is really diverse, its not but Dean should know they can refute that claim very easily with Mehlman himself and then Rice and Gonzales who head up two of the most important departments in the federal government. Now I dont think they're good people but they arent what Dean said the GOP is, and the GOP can really easily refute that claim because of that. Dean should be talking about our strengths as a party instead of saying the republicans are a bunch of white christians, he needs to word things a bit better or else we should expect to see him get in trouble more for his choice of words. The thing that bugs me is that the republicans seem to be relishing all this stuff, thats not a good sign to me. I wish Dean the best as DNC chair but I just hope he words things better, it really pisses me off that we have to be on defensive because of this kind of stuff.

[karynnj]

6. In addition, to not being true, it's just very inappropriate

Dean himself is a male, white Christian. Stated as it was, it can be parsed as there being something wrong with White Christians - which of course was not Dean's intent. Also, in some areas, the fact that Republicans are nearly all white Christians is part of the party's attraction. (diversity is worshiped more in concept, than in practice.) There are many Christians who feel that they are discriminated against and are looked down upon by liberal intellectuals. It's not an attractive image for the Democrats to get.

The problem I have with the Deaniacs is that they don't discriminate between when Dean is taking a well thought out stand that he truly believes in (ie the US should be an even handed broker between the Palestinians and Israel) and when he says something without thinking about how it appears. He really is not a very good diplomat.

Even now, he is not scrutinized anywhere near as much as Kerry was during the election. I can't imagine what would happened to the Democratic party's collective nervous system, if Dean would have been the candidate. It might have been daily gaffes - and some would not even have to be taken out of context. (disclaimer: In late Fall 2003 I was undecided between Dean and Kerry - and just hoped they didn't divide the same type of voters between them.)

[wisteria]

7. I agree with everyones opinions on Kos here!

he's not entertaining, he's not enlightening, his commentary isn't even researched or well written. He is only able to keep people interested in his blog by keeping them angry. Whatever charm he may have had has since worn off. He is becoming insignificant quickly.

[JohnKleeb]

8. You know who one of my favorite politicans of all time was?

Robert Francis Kennedy, that man was an optimist as was Franklin D Roosevelt. Kerry seems to be an optimist as well. :shrug:

[wisteria]

9. I like that- word optimist.

Why be negative when more can be accomplished by being positive.I think you are correct about John Kerry being an optimist.

[JohnKleeb]

12. When I heard the then presidential nominee Kerry speak

this summer and this fall, I heard a man who talked about an America we should be proud of, I realize this country isn't perfect but its a great place to live, and I loved Kerry's vision of what America outta be. It is such a shame that we are not calling him President Kerry, sigh if he runs again, he has his work cut out, I wish all the best.

[beachmom]

11. Kos has peaked

I used to read him every day. It was partly a guilty pleasure because I thought there were a lot of crazy people who were in the comment sections. Then I got into a huge fight with Armando, who called me a "dupe for BushCo", so I stayed away from the site with sheer willpower. Finally, I went back and vowed not to comment anymore and just to read. But a funny thing happened after Kos did some front page Kerry bashing. I stopped reading DailyKos and I don't miss it. I guess part of the reason I read that website was because I was interested in diaries on Kerry. Now most diaries about him are negative, since the diarists know they have the Kossak King's blessing. If I want to read snarky things about Kerry, I already have a place to go -- it's called the mainstream media. The whole point for a blog is to offer an alternative to the MSM; I find reading LUTD, this forum, and watching Democracy Now! has replaced my previous appetite for DailyKos. There has to be others like me who have slowly, quietly, simply stopped reading him. He has become what he despised in the mainstream press -- arrogant and out of touch.

[BlueIris]

13. Heh. With that opinion.

I wonder how long he'll last?