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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 05:13 PM
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I think I'm taking a break from the other forums for a while
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 05:16 PM by WildEyedLiberal
... after reading the whiny-assed diatribe called "That's it!! I'm voting Green from now on!!! And I'm keeping the jewelry!!"
(Or something to that effect.)

This is the goddamned DEMOCRATIC Underground. As much as some people here like to pretend, it is NOT the "catch-all liberal-radical-hippie-progressive" Underground. Now, if there are liberal-radical-hippie-progressives who are ALSO Democrats, well, SUPER!! They are totally and absolutely free to come and post here, and I'll give them a big hearty DU hello. But when I start seeing this "the Democratic party is extreme right wing and I support Nader" shit, it makes me want to scream. Pardon me for being narrow minded, but those people really ought to reconsider whether or not they belong here. Maybe they should go find a Green Party forum. Because I sure as shit am sick of seeing their whiny asses cry about how Kerry and Bush are the same corporo-fascist Skull and Bones New World Order scumbags. Not true, assholes. Why don't you try, you know, looking at facts. It's also funny that ALL these people seem to regard Howard Dean as the true voice of liberalism in the Democratic Party, when in actuality John Kerry's pinkie finger is more liberal than Howard Dean (and, don't get me wrong, I like Dean.)

God, it makes me so angry. Some of these people are as divorced from reality and dogmatic as freepers- just on the other extreme end of the political spectrum.

Arrrg, rant over.


Edit: fer bad speling.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 05:23 PM
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1. i am there with you in your frustration
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 05:23 PM by Faye
honestly, i'm not sure I consider myself a definate 'member' of the Democratic Party. I am registered as a Democrat, and have voted Democrat in 2000 and 2004 elections. I am a huge Kerry supporter. I actually find a lot in common with the Green Party, and have thought of getting more involved with them. One of the things I like about them more then the Democrats is their view on gay marriage. I think the Democrats still try to be too 'PR' to just come out and say they support gay marriage rights.

Anyway - I do think posts like that are out of place in the Election 2004 forum. that forum has become more of a place for those are concerned with the election fraud and irregularities, and some members (usually freepers) are coming in and making totally off topic, unneccessary posts in there. It is getting very annoying.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:30 AM
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11. I didn't mean to make it sound like I don't like Greens
I mean, I probably will never contribute anything to the Green party, because I am a more moderate liberal who enjoys the Democratic party agenda as it is - but I respect the Greens and their progressive agenda, and the things they stand for. No Green bashing from me.

What I don't like are the people here on DU who call anyone to the right of Marx a "freeper" or a corporate fascist or shit like that. I hope I didn't offend you, because that was totally not my intention - like I said, I respect Greens. I don't respect people who think I'm Republican lite because I love John Kerry and am more moderate than, say, Karl Marx and Vlad Lenin. I do not associate Greens with communism at all. My rant was aimed at those who are just about as radical as communists, however.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:16 PM
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2. Along with the Kerry rants, there are the "moderate" rants
So I get it coming and going.

I read a bit of an article from the Progressive today, talking about how much of what Kerry said was "robotically" dictated by focus groups. They said he kept bringing up Vietnam because of focus groups. They said he stated he and Bush were the same on gay marriage because of focus groups.

Sometimes I think the leftwing media is just as lazy as the rightwing media. Both operate off of "conventional wisdom". Conventional wisdom says that Kerry only said things to get himself elected. But if you bother to do some research, you find that he tends to bring up Vietnam alot all through the years. It can get redundant, true. But that's his hang up. It didn't start with this year's election. He tends to see things through a Vietnam filter.

The article also brought up the elitist label. Apparently both the left and right wing have a problem with this too. But hey, I drink latte, I go to plays, I see plenty of people windsurfing and snow boarding here in Wisconsin. Why the heck does that make him an elitist. I think alot of the country has more sophisticated tastes than we used to 20 years ago, at least that's my impression. We have more choices as a nation than we used to.

As for the gay marriage stance, I'd read about his position in a Newsweek article just before the DNC Convention, so I wasn't surprised when he said said it at the third debate. It's a Catholic thing, I do believe. I'd heard a Conservative say the same thing. No problem with civil unions, but just keep it out of the church. It's a compromise thing.

I wonder why folks on both the left and the right assume Kerry is saying things just to get ahead politically, when more often than not, I do believe he means what he's saying. He's more of a hawk than many on the left want him to be, and too much of a Progressive than most on the Right want him to be. And having read that the notion of being denied Communion because of his politics was personally crushing to him, I believe his Catholicism is genuine too. But all of these stances, and most everything else about him is called into question.

I don't have a problem with a Progressive point of view. I do have a problem with a Progressive point of view that isn't taking all facts into consideration. The Skull and Bones rants are just off the wall. No evidence, just a certain level of paranoia. I get the same feeling from the far right folks who have decided that Liberal Democrats are the new Communists.

For me, being a Moderate means I try to stand back and see the whole picture, to get as many facts as possible so I can make the best decision. If that means I agree with a Moderate Republican on an issue, so be it. If I agree with the Progressive on another issue, also, so be it. I'm not compromising.

So I guess what I'm saying is I feel your pain. If we could all just get along, that would be great. But I resent being told that the Dem party is going to the left and I should get off the bus and form my own party. Or that I have to accept someone's candidate because he is our "only hope." Horsehockey. No one man or woman is going to be our salvation.

(climbing down off of soapbox)

Can't we all just get along? We're supposed to be the inclusive party, dagnabit!
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:22 PM
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3. Strangely enough
In my everyday life interacting w/ other people, I'm considered VERY liberal but on DU I feel like I'm very moderate. It's strange. Frankly, I think it has to do w/ common sense. I think I liked Kerry because his positions were rooted in common sense rather than some utopian or dystopian view of society which gets you nowhere, in my opinion. I get frustrated as I have stated time and time again and will probably continue to do so. However, the ignore button is a lovely little invention :)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:11 PM
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4. The ironic thing is I am probably to the left of most of the purists
However I am a yellow dog and pragmatic.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:24 PM
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5. hey what's all this about you being a Freeper?
:P
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:48 PM
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6. god bring that here will you
just a rumor started in the lounge which made kleebmania happen in the lounge all fucking afternoon.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:55 PM
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7. I was just teasing
i saw it all. i think they were just messing around with you.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:08 PM
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15. I know
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:31 PM
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10. Yes, there's something to be said for pragmatism
Clinton wasn't perfect, but I doubt any DUer would rather have had another term of Bush Sr. or a term of Dole.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:59 PM
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8. Exactly
Like Kerry voting with both the Republicans and the Democrats on each of their balance budget bills.

I think that things would be much less partisan in a Kerry White House.

I'm trying to remember who said they thought Kerry was one of the most partisan in the Senate. I think it was Dole. My view of that guy slipped even lower when he helped the Swiftees along this summer. A fellow veteran -- he ought to be ashamed of himself. Admitted it was a partisan move too. Why anyone thought he'd beat Clinton is beyond me.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:26 PM
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9. I think it was just his turn
He's like what 200 years old and he'd been in the Senate for an awfully long time. They probably thought "what the hell? we're gonna lose anyway, we might as well give him his shot".

I think a Kerry White House would be less partisan too. At least he'd make an attempt to work w/ Republicans. Unlike the inhabitant of the White House we have now, Kerry isn't so myopic that he'd let the nasty partisanship fester and eventually blow up. It's such a damned shame.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:36 AM
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12. Ha
I should start making entire threads invisible, so they don't tempt me (masochist that I am) to go torture myself.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:47 AM
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13. Yeah, I call myself moderate because dogma is against my nature
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 02:49 AM by WildEyedLiberal
Whether it be religious or political dogma. The truth is my only creed. That sounds hokey as hell, but it's true. All I care about is what's true and right. The Democratic Party adheres far more closely to my vision of ethical and just government. The Republican Party is nauseatingly immoral, corrupt, and unjust. John Kerry is the first politician of my lifetime to really make me feel that he has the moral fiber and vision of justice to be a truly great leader. He inspires me like no one else on the scene today. It really has got nothing to do with party or whatnot - just his character, his life, his ideals, everything he is and stands for. And these people who discard him because of dogma are, to me, little better than freepers because they refuse to entertain logic and reason in their rabid adherence to whatever doctrine they have deemed beyond reproach. It's sort of like Bush condemning Arab terrorists even though he is motivated by the same rigid, fundamentalist view of the world - just in a different religion.

A religious fundamentalist is a religious fundamentalist, whether Christian or Muslim. A political radical is a political radical, whether right wing or left wing. Same mindset, same narrow view of the world, same frothing at the mouth condemnation of any idea remotely differing from your own. There are far too many of these people at DU, IMHO. Also, I agree with whoever said that in "real life" they are considered quite liberal but yet are "moderate" at DU. Same here - I'm the most liberal of my close friends, yet I'm sure I somehow end up right of the DU center. Go figger.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:51 AM
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14. Yawp
Just as Kerry is a "Massachusetts Librul" to the Right, and yet is considered "Republican lite" here on DU.

And then to hear both sides call their moderates "squishy." Oh thanks.

I still say anyone who is not a friend of Bush is a friend of mine. If the true Conservatives and Republican Moderates are unhappy, then perhaps we can form an alliance of sorts. But some on the left will never go for that. That's fine. The Far Left and the Far Right can duke it out. We'll for Moderateland.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:09 PM
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16. to me Kerry is between the DLC centrist way and the far left way
much how I am. I think while I am personally left wing, I have a more moderate rhetoric.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:23 PM
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17. Yeah Kerry strikes me as somewhere between moderate and super-liberal
Which is what I am, so yay. I do think the lack of any concept of loyalty is hurting the Democratic party, however. All Republicans, regardless of how much they don't like Bush, rally 'round the wagon anyway. If only Dems could get their heads out of their rectums and just SUPPORT our guy regardless of whether they agree with every single niggling little issue or not, then maybe it would make a difference. I am sure that the number of "liberals" who had bad things to say about Kerry even during the campaign reinforced the idiot stereotype that no one voting for him really liked him. :grr: If those people can't see that Kerry would be a great president, or that he is the polar opposite of Bush, then they are beyond hope, I am afraid.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:24 PM
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18. I am super liberally politically but I differ from a lot
of the other super liberals in that I really do try to see things in shades of gray than black and white.
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NamVetsWeeLass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:17 PM
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19. I am registered as an Independent.
But do I support John Kerry? Hell yes. Was I disappointed in his concession? Honestly, Yes, I really was. It wasn't because I stopped supporting him, I was literally devastated, I didn't think he was going to fight for us and frankly that hurt. I quickly came to my senses though. John Kerry is my President, I would fight for this man all over again. If the Draft was reinstated right now with the one rumor I heard a while back about Medical People being drafted to age 45 without exception I would file Objector Status. That isn't something I say lightly. I am a 33 year old Nurse and at one point I did enlist in the Marine Corps. (I got disqualified due to a Fatty Lypoma Cyst on my back.) That was 15 years ago. Now say John Kerry WAS President (other than in my heart and mind) and he had to reinstate the Draft. Would I go along with this? Yes. I would literally die for him. I would do so without question. But I would also know that his reason for doing it would be the Right reason. I have that much faith in John Kerry.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:59 AM
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89. Pssssssssssst.
I got a bit of news for you, and you'll like it:

The election's not over yet.

Kerry's not finished yet.

Concession speeches have no legal meaning or weight.

OK?

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:51 PM
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20. So true. I posted such a rant with the same theme in another thread.
I was so angry when I read another 'skull and bones' accusation against Kerry I just went off. I can't even remember what thread it was, and even though I was probably off-topic, I felt so much better afterwards. Now I've finally discovered this forum and I'm not leaving for awhile. It seems there are a lot of 'fair weather' dems on other threads. They practically sound like Swift Boat groupies when they attack Kerry, it's sickening. I told them to check out the pics of Kerry attending the soldiers funeral yesterday and then get back to me about what a traitor they think he is. I'm getting angry again just thinking about it. I wish there was some way to tell what percentage of those Kerry bashers were actually freepy infiltrators. I've got to learn to use that ignore option next time I guess.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:30 AM
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26. Oh, I remember that thread
That was when you went all 'fierce bunny' on that guy. It was awesome. Sometimes, it just has to be done. And that was definitely one of those times.

There have been a great many 'interesting' posts, lately. I've learned to ignore 99% of them. My blood pressure appreciates that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 01:32 AM
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21. it all depresses me
I read the posts in this thread and I get sad because there is so much love and I know just what everybody means. Both Johns, Teresa & Elizabeth, the whole family; the world has lost so much. So I just get overwhelmed by the posts in this group. Then I go out on DU and it's just so putrid and I don't even understand what half those people are thinking. It all feels pretty hopeless sometimes.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:00 AM
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22. I'm Not Going Back
To thr other forums for a long while. I am so damn sick of the dumbasses and fighting with them. And I'm not the type that can just ignore shit. When they start there bullshit about Kerry and making nasty remarks I will not ignore it I start fighting back. I'm just so damn sick of it. If there isn't someone here in the Kerry forum to talk to then the hell with it I will talk to myself LOL. I'm just to the point I have had enough. Hopefully the rest of the Kerry supporters will decide to do the same. Fuck those assholes that are always making their snide remarks and talking out their ass.

Arrrrrrg :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:32 AM
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23. time for me to vent
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 01:36 AM by Faye
without mentioning names, there's too many people around here who seem STILL SOURED that their man Dean didn't make it, so they still feel the need to bash Kerry at every opportunity. It's getting quite annoying, i've succumbed to the ignore button :(

thank god for this forum.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:11 AM
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24. Of course
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, didn't. People really need to get over the Primaries. That's done with and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The Kerry bashing is also getting old and that's why the ignore button is so fabulous.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:57 PM
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25. thanx!
great thread - I'm with you all
glad I found this forum

:toast:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:27 PM
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27. wtfffffffffff
i just posted this video in the Lounge, thinking it was funny - and all it did was piss people off and make them depressed. It showed me - most of the 'Kerry haters'. are really just DEEPLY hurt about this election. They actually miss him, it's obvious. anyway, i just got told off by almost all of them, saying shit like 'gee thanks, now i'm depressed'.

um, ok, guess i'm staying away from that forum from now on....

here is the video, btw: http://www.drunkendelight.com/movies/duhbate.wmv
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:09 AM
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35. The Lounge isn't too bad
I mean, its not as assholey as the GD forums. But, then again, anything Kerry anywhere other than in this forum will really draw the haters out. It's kinda like sharks being drawn to blood in the water.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:12 AM
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36. Lounge is definately fun as hell
just learned tonight to try not to be too serious in there, or have it knocked down.

yeah, this forum and Election 2004 forums are best for Kerry supporters.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:17 AM
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37. This is true n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:28 AM
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38. hah dont be too serious in there or I'll have to kick yer ass :D
j/k, we like it cool in there. Its nice in there though, the haters arent there really, and the worst fight I can have is over sports really.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:34 AM
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39. or that one time
there was that nasty Canada v America in a war thread.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:38 AM
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40. eww oh yeah
I am telling you except for politics where I am a rabid lefty but even politically I search for a middle ground, on that thread I sought to. I really don't believe our nation could miltarly defeat Russia or China, and I also believe that the Soviets were influential in the victory in WWII but that we played an important role. I of course didn't agree with the rabid americanism of some. I think the reason I act like this is my grandfather's past as a labor abritator, it makes me aftempt to see everything from all sides but of course I ahve my preferences like he did being for labor.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:40 AM
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41. that thread freaked me out
It was kinda scary. I think taking the middle ground is perfectly fine. It just allows you to look at both sides of an issue and discuss things rationally. You know, things not being black and white, but, rather, shades of gray?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:43 AM
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42. of course, I am a big proponent of shades of gray thinking
It goes beyond left or right, captialist or communist, etc, well there will always be two poles of something, there is always something in between those. I try to see things from all sides but I do have my own beliefs and am partisan in them, like as I said my grandfather worked for the NLRB for many years, while he had to be fair, my dad always told me that he had his eye out for the little guy of labor.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:45 AM
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43. Agreed
I'm definitely partisan but i'm not against trying to take a common sense approach to certain issues which often involves taking a middle ground.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:49 AM
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44. There is a way to do that
I plead no contest to being a partisan liberal democrat but I do believe in looking at the issue from all sides, and realizing that it's not my way or their way, that there's lots of ways.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 05:14 AM
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45. OMG FAYE
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 05:15 AM by angrydemocrat
I watched that and it reminded me of that debate and when that debate was going on I was over on the campaign blog all the time then anyway that night we laughed so hard and had so much fun. I remeber Kerry almost laughing at Bush in that debate it was so damn funny. But now it is so damn sad to see that I can't believe I'm crying again. Damn.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:25 PM
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46. oh Angrydemocrat, were you on the kerry blog?
Were you Misty then? I was "ginny". Hi!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 08:34 PM
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48. Yes!
mistyforkerry reporting for duty! LOL Hell glad to see ya ginny. You are the first one from there other than me to be here on DU as far as I know. I have asked if others ever hung out there and all I ever get is NO. So good to see ya. I hope you hang around and help fight all the assholes off. Damn at the Kerry bashers here at DU. It is unreal. How you know it was me?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:11 PM
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49. Hi--I read your reply to Faye in post #45,
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 09:11 PM by ginnyinWI
and you mentioned the "campaign blog" So that equals Kerry blog--and I remembered a "misty" there, so made the connection.

Did you see my thread about the site guaranteed to make you smile? It's great for Kerry fans like us. The music made me want to get up and dance--but my husband would have thought I was crazy.

http://kerry08.tripod.com/
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:48 AM
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51. I was on the official blog too
Same name. I posted like three times, though; I mostly lurked.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:33 PM
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52. Thats Good To Hear
I always like meeting back up with others from the campaign blog. We did have alot of fun there.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:04 PM
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53. original Kerry blogger here
I liked to keep my DU and Kerry identities separate. Sandy over there. I started blogging just a couple days after it went up in 2003, then moved to the forum in December. I actually don't like blogging, I prefer forums. After about June, I got busier with local election things. I'll just leave it at that. :)
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:26 PM
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54. I Was Part of The Media Corps Also
Needless to say I was always busy doing something. I got on the blog and and talked with everyone and had a lot of fun every chance I got. We all had fun over there. Did alot things during this campaign.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #53
66. I was not a blogger
I did not even know what a blogger was until the end of the campaign. I found the Kerry blog around Nov 1st, and only lurked. I found DU shortly thereafter.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. Oh MY LOL
And look what a crazy bunch you have found. We can be fun but at the same time we are all a little crazy times LOL!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:34 PM
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28. Can you help me try to stay out?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. best thing to do - focus on the election 2004 forum
but no one will listen to me here :(
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:26 AM
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32. I'll check it out
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:04 AM
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30. kind of hard for me also
i have a hard time avoiding the other forums entirely. but what i mostly try to do is just not respond to certain threads especially the ones which are a repeat of the stuff from the primaries. i also try to focus on the elections that will be coming up soon such as 2005 and 2006.

with the new format and the many individual du groups, including ones that focus on specific things rather than candidates i think it's becoming kind of easier. sometimes i just like to look around in things like the book group forums.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:17 AM
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31. i actually stay away from anything that mentions 2006-2008
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. I really try not to but I admit it, I am easily tempted
I just get tired of the endless bashing of people who I like and respect and the my way or the highway mentality of people, and the black and white thinking.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. personally I think that half of them are freepers, and
the other half are succumbing to something I learned in sociology: that people feel empowered by banding together against something.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:39 PM
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50. I wouldn't say freepers but dang
Yeah I dont know sociology but that sounds true.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
34. the threads that refight the primaries
are particularily hard to deal with. I've started putting people on ignore - especially the ones who start those kind of threads. I hate to say it, but 90% of the people I have on ignore are from the Dean camp. I've added fifteen names in just the last week.

The new format with the individual groups is kind of cool, but I also worry that it lends itself to factionalization. Sometimes I think DU itself lends itself to that - rather than as a forum that brings people together. There were certainly some wounds made in the primaries that haven't seemed to heal.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:05 AM
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55. lol uh oh
i just had a message deleted that i posted to Testy :(

dammit, it was funny and he's pissing me off. i dont' know how the hell you all deal with him without putting him on ignore. now i feel dumb cuz my post got deleted :cry:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:28 AM
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56. It was only a matter of time Faye
Have you had anyone announce that they were putting you on IGNORE?

That happened to me once, but it was an empty threat lol!!!
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:33 AM
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57. did u see my post tho?
i cracked myself up laughing. i basically told him it was time for him to STFU. lollllll :o

i used to have him on ignore, but in a way it's so intriguing to hear what he has to say cuz it's such ridiculous fukking filth.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:41 AM
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58. No, I think it was already gone
Sorry I missed it. Did he respond????
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. haha no
but he replied to a bunch of other posts while mine was still there.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:55 AM
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60. It has gotten to the point where he is the comic relief lol!!!
His posts are so wacked. He did not find many on his side today, but he stuck it out. LMAO, he said he and others have Kerry in hiding.

:freak:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. lol i know
he truly is entertainment. if only mods would let me get at him :(

heheheh
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:20 AM
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62. I was watching, Faye and it was fun. n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. are you talking about
"badhead1137"? The poster who took the name of a famous Italian anarchist? Anarchy, dude... that's, like, so radical...

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. lollll yess
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 02:15 PM by Faye
one night he pissed me off so bad i googled his name. hahah, so what i found was right.(italian anarchist)

and dammit, badhead is so fitting. &#$^*#&^$*#^*$^*(#^$&*(
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:06 PM
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67. lol!!! n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:43 PM
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65. I am getting fed up with this
"I am leaving hte party if the Dems don't pick Dean as DNC chair and pick a centrist instead." Umm pardon me but my way or the highway is a bunch of crap and Dean himself is a centrist. God it just pisses me off. I am sick of Reid getting bashed too even though he has Dick Durbin as his whip and the very liberal Barbara Boxer as his chief deputy whip. Reid was chosen as Minority Leader because he was Daschle's whip, thats how things work mostly, and he's doing a good job so far. For christ sake, I like the name some of you guys use, lefty fundies, its really bugging me.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:10 AM
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69. Lefty fundies is appropriate
the my way or the highway approach is the approach that the right wingers use. How is that any better if the left does it? It's not.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:38 PM
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70. I use the term purists but lefty fundies is good
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:45 PM
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71. election 2004 is crawling with freeps today
it's pretty hilarious if you ask me.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Yeah
did you see that guy who straight up started dissing liberals? "Liberal scum" or some shit like that. THAT was hilarious. What kind of loser posts really inane crap just to be able to post that piece of superb writing. And when I say superb, I mean retarded.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:38 PM
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73. lollll
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 04:38 PM by Faye
i didnt' see that one, but there's a few new 'lawyers' in election 2004 giving us all some 'good advice'. :eyes:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:01 AM
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74. ONE MORE TIME PLEASE
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 12:02 AM by Faye
your man Dean lost a loooooong time ago, it's time to get over it and stop blaming everything on Kerry :hi:


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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. To be fair they hate Gephardt too lol
Yeah Gephardt is so DLC, thats why he's one of the most economic liberal democrats ever lol.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:45 AM
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76. They hate everybody
Once somebody steps outta line its "Traitors! Fucking Repug-lites! DLC!!!!!"
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:09 PM
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77. LOL
You Keerycrats are wild! I will be leaving tomorrow for a couple of days and I'm going to miss the hell out of all of ya. We all have so much fun. You can't be unhappy around here. Not for long anyway. The Kerrycrays are great!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:17 PM
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79. Well you know, I am a far lefty, but I am a yellow dog dem
and I really think most of our dems in congress are good people, they're far from perfect but I appreciate em and I swear when I met Senator Landrieu, I saw it in her eyes how disappointed she was about what happened on November 2nd, hopefully something good is gonna heppen.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. of course my potential future boss Nancy Pelosi is hated by a lot of them
too. I don't know why, she led the fight against the war resolution which you think would be good enough for em, and has a solid progressive record but they forget that.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:53 PM
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80. Alas, I've found since I joined DU that some 'progressives' can be just
as self-righteous, judgemental, and full of wind, as fundies and neo-cons.
It can be very discouraging, so I come to the Kerry group and the 'I believe' threads often as I can for solace and a shot in the arm. You guys are great!

Thanks!

A bit off topic (OK, very off topic), but I am computer illiterate about some things, how do I find and use smilies that are not part of DU's table of emoticons. Do I have to download them to some program to insert new ones. Can I make my own? Where do some of you get your highly individual smilies. In other words, I am smilie challenged and need assistance, I am boring myself to death using these same smilies over and over again.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. you have to find them online and upload them to an image host
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 12:58 PM by Faye
basically you can just google 'smilies' and then find ones you like (right click and save, and then upload to a server - http://trenzhost.com/upload/index.php?action=register is a good one)

or if you want you can use mine (they are already hosted)

http://p205.ezboard.com/bthetruthliveswithinyou.showEmoticonsHelp

you just right click on the one you want to use, copy the URL link and post the link in the body of your post here.


(hope that made some sense)
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:03 PM
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82. Thank you Faye, You are awesome. Your posts are the stuff of legend.
and another plus, I think you are also from Joisey, n'est pas? I'm from Montclair.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:10 PM
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83. haha
yeah i'm from Jersey, but i'm in South Jersey. North Jersey almost seems like a different state at times. (Montclair is in North Jersey, right?)

I feel like i'm the only one here from SJ :(
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:24 PM
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87. Yeah I'm in North Jersey, only about a dozen miles from NYC.
You're pretty close to Philly though aren't you. Must be lots of DU'ers there.

I'm an artist. I exhibit all over Jersey, next show at Rutgers in January, and then a solo show at Fairleigh Dickinson University in March 2005. I'll send you invites in a message if you'd like. Maybe we can meet in person one of these days. Your sense of humor has kept me going very often in the last 6 weeks, you and Patsy Stone are my favs.

Politics and concern over this election has definitely cut into my work time lately. This turd has got to be deposed soon, my creativity is taking a serious hit.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. aww
i feel all embarassed now
thanks!

and yes, pm me whenever you might be in the area or at least close and we can meet up!
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #83
90. Lambertville
We have a little place there, for weekends.

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:14 PM
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84. OK, I'm going to try this with one of yours to see if I can get it to work
Here goes, hold my hand.



I chose this one because it is my son's favorite thing to say, all the time. LOL
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:14 PM
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85. Yeah it worked. Thank you Faye. I'm off to hunt for some of my own.
You are so boss!
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. lol
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #86
91. I'm here because Faye invited me
I didn't even know this place existed.

So, thank you, Faye, for the invitation and the enlightenment.

But, you know, I still enjoy educating the unbelievers and doubters over there, so I'll keep lecturing them on the electoral process.

:)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:33 AM
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92. Or
Hover, left click, properties, copy address, paste, voila:



Although, this method uses ripway's bandwidth so if you want to use a particular smiley over and over, uploading to a photo site is the better way to go.
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