People in GD:P are talking about quitting the Democratic Party? Now?

[rockymountaindem]

Now that Bush has made perhaps his biggest mistake yet.

Now that we have *two* SCOTUS seats up for grabs.

Now that there are thousands of people suffering and dying in New Orleans and elsewhere.

Now that Bush is lower in the polls than ever before.

Now that people are finally waking up...

NOW they want to quit? The fight's just getting started! Holy crap... look, if you've got to stand up for yourself, that's one thing. But quitting the only mainstream party with even a hope of challenging Bush now that we need to challenge his agenda the most, that's insane. Where are the Green and Democratic-Socialist Senators who can criticize Bush? I don't see any! If you're not happy with your Dem representatives, call them. Go to their frickin' offices. Demand to see an office representative. Get in their faces. Call every day. But seriously, yer' gonna go join the likes of Nader? A man who gets lambasted by most of his fellow liberals? Yeah, that's going to make things a lot better :sarcasm: .

I know the Democrats haven't been on TV much during this whole crisis. You can blame that on either their laziness or the reluctance of the media to put liberals on the air. But one thing we can all agree on... the Greens and DSers have been on TV even less than the Dems. It's better to try and change the direction of the one party that we can hope to make progressive, than to quit, marginalize yourself, and leave the Democrats in the hands of the DLC who these quitters all claim to despise. Quitting the only respected opposition party makes Bush and the Republicans stronger. I don't know what else to tell ya.

End of rant.

[JI7]

1. they should leave

they aren't Democrats, they don't even seem liberal to me. they just seem like wannabe martyrs and constant whiners and complainers. most don't care for the issues.

[rockymountaindem]

2. The funny thing is, I don't even know what to say to them.

It's easier to argue with a fundamentalist Christian than these lefty freepers. At least the Dobson types are familiar to me. Sometimes they even seem more cogent. Scary.

[JI7]

3. they are too hung up on being martyrs

everyone is letting them down. they are sacraficing themselves to those they are much more morally superior and other crap.

before the election i got tired of one of them and their "why should i vote for Kerry, what's the difference" type crap and just told them that they don't have to vote for Kerry. they got angry and started attacking me talking about how much i will regret this and that. what they wanted was for me to coddle their asses and beg them and inflate their ego with how much we need them and their votes.

[jillan]

4. I felt the same way after the election.

And after all of the fraud was starting to come out. People would bash the party, and want to leave. And all I could think was WTF? We knew we were in for "four more years of hell" (THK) We knew they screwed with the voting machines. To me it was a time for dems to rally together and get through this. Not a time to abandon the party. That seemed counterproductive to me.

And here we are. And it has been hell, and getting more hellish every minute. We need to stick together. This is not the time to support Nader or Cobb.

I am praying that the dems let their hair down, and hold this administration accountable. But, look at what we are now up against.
Roberts will be in for sure, and he will look like a pussycat compared to who * is going to replace Renquist with.

Maybe God does look after *. Just when we think we are at the worst possible point, something else happens to make people forget about everything else. Nobody even talks about Cindy Sheehan anymore!! And to be honest, I can't tell you what happened in Iraq this week:banghead: :banghead:

[Island Blue]

5. I hope the door doesn't hit 'em on the ass on the way out!

And if they do choose to leave, they really need to stop posting on DEMOCRATIC Underground!

The only Democrats a lot of folks in GD / GD-P seem to like are unelected Democrats. (Or Democrats who may have been elected at one time, but who do not currently hold office.) They never fail to show love for Dean, Clark, Hackett, Edwards and Gore, but heaven forbid you should actually get elected. Don't get me wrong, I think those five guys are great too - but it's also a whole heck of a lot easier for them to work OUTSIDE of the system to get things done or to say whatever the feel like saying. (And more power to them by the way!)

So let the disgruntled ones leave. Maybe they can run for office as a Green or an Independent and make things all better for everyone.

[MH1]

6. Me too.

BUT I guarantee you, they won't stop posting on DU unless they are bounced. And that won't happen unless the rules change, or maybe if real Democrats get more assertive about alerting on their shit.

I haven't been here long but I see plenty of obviously non-Democratic Party supporters posting regularly on DU. These people are actually "disrupting" threads - obvious by their pattern of posting even though they carefully color within the lines of the "rules" - and yet they don't get bounced, and sometimes even responsible reactions to their shit get deleted.

I do wish they'd leave and join the Green Party. If they cause as much trouble there as they do for Democrats, it would be a big help to Democrats. (Although what I really wish is that they would all wake up to the fact that the NUMBER 1 issue *for third parties* in this country is to get ranked-choice voting every where that they can. If they would just work on that they could get more support and make actual progress toward getting their candidates elected.)

[fedupinBushcountry]

7. I saw your post that was deleted

I had posted on an ealier thread in this forum about it and what I think of the situation of posts on DU.

I see nothing wrong with it, you call someone out for their remarks and you get deleted. I thought Dems stood for truth, but when the truth and facts are stated to the bashers its always the coherent responses that get deleted. But oh lets leave all the ' he's a spineless bastard, he's a prick etc. etc. The hate and bigotry in some of these posts make me sick, and IMO should be removed immediately whoever the Dem is.

What the hell is so wrong with defending someone who is not here to defend himself. What would happen if we posted some of the slime posts about Dean or Clark, would they be removed, YES, and the slime stays up for Kerry. Where is the logic to that and who is really pushing certain candidates and letting others be trashed to no end ?

This boggles my mind .

Awhile back I had entered a thread and one of the moderators was bashing Kerry, I immediately alerted, they did delete it, but I wonder sometimes who is minding the store.

[MH1]

8. Thanks. Not just my post, though.

I read a lot more than I ever reply to, and I see a lot of this happening.

I really should use the alert button more, but to me it is like crying "Wahhh! He insulted me! Mommy make him stop!"

I get far more pissed about ridiculous attacks and name-calling on other people (mainly public Democrats) than I do if someone criticizes me for my words or actions, as long as they are not swearing or name-calling.

I think it's legitimate for someone to post that they think that Kerry's response was "weak" - that is a specific charge that can be argued, and anyway it is an expression of one person's opinion about a specific event. But to blanketly call an elected Democrat "spineless" - even if they are talking about Joe Lieberman! - is just wrong on a site called "Democratic Underground." (Zell Miller is different; personally I think the DNC or DSCC or somebody should sue his ass for brand infringement for calling himself a Democrat; and anyway he's out of office now.)

I wish the mods would make a rule that you can't blanketly refer to elected, currently serving Democratic (or Green or Dem-Socialist) officeholders that way - you can only criticize specific actions. I don't think they'd listen to me though. (And how would we ask?)

[paulk]

9. these people aren't Democrats

or liberals or progressives. They're a bunch of whining, self centered crybabies who get off on parading their neuroses in public.


and what I really don't understand is why the admin of DU lets them use this website to spew their divisive poison.


Moderates get run off this board or eventually give up in disgust. Hell, rational people eventually give up in disgust.



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