freepers fuckinig suck

[JI7]

hahhahah, i was searching Yahoo photos to see if there are any new pics of Kerry. and i noticed there was a pic of some asshole protesting Kerry who was in Los Angeles to campaign against prop 75. he was in some dolphin suit with a stupid sign about Kerry and flip flopping.

while freepers are always stupid it was somewhat understandable during the campaign. but they are STILL doing it ? with everything that is happening under the Chimp you have to wonder about these people. the freeper site still hold protests for any events Kerry will attend.

there was this one nice pic also. look at the smile on the firefighter.

[TayTay]

1. Yeah, but they are timid (at best)

Remember the article about Kerry's visit to NJ? There were protestors with signs but they all scattered when Kerry came near them. (He was checking on the lady in the ambulance who fainted with the heat. Yeah, it was the heat.)

[JI7]

2. i love how Kerry doesn't let them get to him

i remember before the election a rally in Ohio i saw on cspan. it was one of those front porch events where he holds events at people's homes.

some freepers showed up and were yelling things throughout the event.

afterwards Kerry was walking back and passed by the freepers and he waved at them. one of them seemed pretty impressed and even reached out for a handshake. it was funny because they had no idea what to do then. they are out there yelling crap while he is smiling and waving at them.

[ginnyinWI]

3. I saw that one too

He sees them as all Americans (and voters!)

As far as being tough in the face of criticism--I think getting shot at with real bullets will do that to you--anything less doesn't bother you!

My first thought when reading the OP about the freepers was: I wonder how much they're paying them these days??

[sandnsea]

8. I wonder if that hurt him during the election

I never really thought about it. But maybe he just didn't take those barbs seriously because after real bullets, it's all icing from there. Maybe what would generally be an asset turned out to hurt him, he just does not sweat the small stuff.

Maybe that would have been the best way for him to deflect it all, just laugh it all off with a joke about having a piece of real shrapnel in him.

[ginnyinWI]

11. yeah but he has a pretty good sense about political damage

What I understand about Aug. 04 is that he personally was really mad at the Swifties but that his managers held him back, not wanting to give the story legs. Then people saw the failure to hit back as a weakness. I noticed that by September and October, he was hitting back daily at all the RW spew, and people approved, his numbers went up. That's what I personally wanted to see more of, too, all through that year. I wanted him to hit * harder over Abu Gharaib, for instance.

They should have just let John be John--because that's how he ran the primaries and that worked. Too much fear of turning the moderates off during the general.

[sandnsea]

13. Oh I don't know about all of that

This is what really happened in August. His poll numbers were up throughout August, until he personally engaged. What really hurt was the media distorting the poll numbers and underreporting the crowds turning out at his events. If his tour had been given the same coverage as Clinton's in 1992, he'd have steamrolled right over the Republican convention and right into the White House.


On August 4, the Swift Boat Vets released a new ad, after having been knocked down by the campaign in May. From Media Matters, “in an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."

Between August 4 and August 19, Cutter said the campaign relied on the news media, surrogates and 700 letters to the editor to discredit the charges, including Carville taking on O’Neill on Crossfire on August 12.

On August 19 at the IAFF convention, Kerry stated "They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the president won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know: he wants them to do his dirty work.” After noting the Navy records that awarded him his medals, he added "Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.”

The campaign releases Rassmann ad, "All these Viet Cong were shooting at me. I expected I'd be shot. When he pulled me out of the river, he risked his life to save mine."

On August 21, the campaign released the internet ad “Old Tricks” along with this statement: “A front group for the Bush campaign called "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" is continuing to spread their lies about John Kerry's military record. Their statements have been contradicted by official Navy records, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune and every man who served under John Kerry -- yet George Bush refuses to condemn their tactics. Through his silence, George Bush is approving their action. And Bush campaign officials in Florida are even promoting events for this front group.

Enough is enough. No matter what these Bush campaign shills now say, John Kerry's commanders remarked in 1969 that, "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed." In fact, all of John Kerry's performance reports (available on our website) display an absolutely heroic record of service.”

On August 25, Max Cleland attempted to deliver a letter to George Bush asking “where is his shame to attack a fellow veteran who has distinguished himself in combat?"

So, why did Senator Kerry’s numbers begin to fall AFTER he launched his attack against the Swift Boat Vets. Interestingly, The American Enterprise magazine has this opinion “The media establishment finally took notice when Senator Kerry attacked you publicly on August 19.” O’Neill agreed.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1055

[JI7]

16. i think JK always understood this also

he knows they always wanted him to get involved . this would give them more attention and would get the Kerry haters riled up and want to give them more money.

one of the things politicians need to be able to do is not let these attacks get to them that it can bring them down. it didn't help McCain that he did nothing but cry about how Bush was so unfairly attacking him every time he opened his mouth rather than continue pushing his agenda of reforming politics.

it's one reason i think Chuck Hagel would be a good candidate. i think he would be similar to Kerry in being able to handle attacks. Bush is also unable to take attacks or even legitimate criticism which is why all of his events are scripted.

what Kerry needed the most was getting his message out. as you say the numbers went down after he responded but they went back up after the debates and people go to see and hear his message.if we could have had the entire party helping get that message hand for the months before it would have done a lot more than anything else.

[sandnsea]

18. Hagels politics suck though

I listened to him on Road to the White House, he was in NH. YOW! I'm not giving him any slack. I had no idea he was so conservative on economic and tax issues, sounded like he had just come from the Business Roundtable. There were a couple of other things too that I don't recall right now, but I was left with a definite "no friggin' way".

[JI7]

19. he is VERY conservaitve on economic issues

people think he is moderate because he appears more diplomatic when it comes to international issues. and i think part of this may have to do with his own military service.

but on economic issues he is horrible. even McCain is better in this area. i couldn't believe someone claimed Hagel was an environmentalist. probably based on somethign he said. but look at his record . he would easily favor big business over protecting the environment and the consumer.

but i do think Hagel is intelligent unlike Bush,McCain,Allen and some others. and on a personal level he lacks the right wing asshole attitude you see in Bush and many others. but he also lacks something to make him really stand out. he isn't charismatic or anything but he also isn't seen as a policy wonk type. he would probably make it difficult to generate the hate someone like Bush does among Dems and liberals.

but in a way that could be good because it would get people to really focus on the issues which favor Democrats.

[jillan]

12. I remember freeps attacking Kerry before the election,

and Kerry got them to talk to him.

I was (still am) verrrrrry impressed!

[emulatorloo]

4. even Cheney is still protesting - remember "must be a friend of John. . ."

They are all scared of Kerry.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/article/3005/

<snip>

Off camera, a local resident, Dr Ben Marble, shouts, "Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney. Go fuck yourself."

The camera remains on Cheney while we hear scuffling in the background. CNN's reporter asks Cheney, "Are you getting a lot of that Mr. Vice President?"

Cheney replies, "First time I've heard it. Must be a friend of John..., er, ah - never mind."

<snip>

sorry the best link i could find on short notice. . .

[beachmom]

5. Especially annoying when you have to rely on Freepers for info

There was an event in Arlington last night with Kerry which I was invited to, but for which it was too far away. I scanned the net for info on the event. Nothing. All I could turn up was a couple of comments on a Kos thread (2 okay, 1 snarky) and a "Freep Kerry he's coming to Arlington". Oh and the best comment was when they said that Kerry wanted to be the RAT nominee for '08, a present for Allen. This is why I don't do name calling (or very rarely). I don't want to ever be compared to a Freeper.

Anyway, I found a Young Democrats website, and have inquired to them. We'll see if they write back . . .

[TayTay]

6. I will attempt to stop name-calling.

However, that will mean I can no longer be allowed to talk in MA. Sigh! Choices, always choices.

[beachmom]

7. Ha, ha! It's just it cheapens our arguments when 6th grade

language is included. Okay, I admit to saying (probably typing) right wing religious wacko or maybe even wingnut. But never Rethug, since I know a ton of Republicans and not one of them is a thug, AND I certainly am not a RAT (by the way, Corsi uses that word). But when you call the other side names, it means you've run out of arguments and are just taking a swing at them. Or as is the case here in DU or on dailykos, I think everyone types "rethug" out of habit, constantly reading it or hearing it.

As you can tell, I come from an Independent background and don't like destructive partisan politics. Meaningful "discussions" are more like it for me. But when I read a freeper calling Democrats, RATS, it feels like they think we're not even human. So here's my pledge to eliminate my name calling transgressions. I can't promise perfection, but I will try.

[TayTay]

9. Oh, I think of Rethugs and Repubs as different critters

Olypmia Snowe is a Repub. George Allen is a Rethug. (Nicest thing I ever said about the man, you are having an influence on me already.) Chafee of RI is a Repub, Santorum is a side-species of parallel evolution something like Homor-Ohdumbdus. (Damn, fell off the wagon on that one. Well it was Santorum.)


I am trying. I wil be a lady. I will not be potty-mouthed. I will deny my natural base urges to call 'em as I see 'em. (This is harder than it looks.)

[Island Blue]

10. You're a much better person than I am Beachmom

One of the reasons I love coming to DU so much is because I CAN say those things (because god knows I'm feeling them) and it's okay. Living as a blue speck in a sea of red (which I know you do too) it's a wonder I have a tongue left because I have to bite it so often. I swallow my feelings every single day at work, when I'm talking to my best friend, and even with many members of my extended family. Do I blame these folks for the mess this country is in? You bet your sweet bippy I do! Do I still love all of these people and want them in my life (and do I still want a job to go to every morning)? Yep! Therefore, I am willing to sacrifice letting my true feelings fly when I'm talking to these folks. (Please note: I NEVER pretend that I agree with them, I just don't call them names or even bring up issues that I know would incite a death match of ideologies.) Does my public/private wimpiness make me a spineless coward? Probably. Does it make me a candidate for a future psychological melt down? Probably.

Anyway, I say all of that to say that while I truly respect your ability to restrain from name calling, I for one cannot promise to do the same. On the other hand, the other side can call me whatever they want to. I for one find DU to be therapy for my red weary soul.

[beachmom]

14. I totally identify with you, Island Blue

But I have this grand scheme about the Democrats taking over Congress, so I feel like I have to act AS IF we're already in power. But you know that when I'm OUT THERE (in red world), it's not that I yearn to call people names. It's that I don't want them to call my guys names. One guy I talked to called Kerry a "boob", and I really should have said, "well, define boob, because you're not giving me much to work with here". Sort of to say that name calling means you don't have much to say and are simply justifying your vote for *, by demonizing the other guy with vague characteristics of "boobness".

I agree that there are certain conversations I refuse to have, like I don't discuss abortion with ardent pro-life supporters. It's a conversation that will go nowhere and end up with hurt feelings all the way around. Iraq I can discuss, because it is very complex, so you can often find one aspect of it to agree on. The deficit and government spending is always a good one to discuss with Repub. friends -- just go to andrewsullivan.com for talking points on that.

So I'm not saying you shouldn't name call, but . . . I seriously don't think Kerry name calls (unless crooks and liars counts -- no, it doesn't because it's a fact). And if I do dive in, I want people to not look at me as a total partisan, and instead someone who has really mulled things over to come to certain conclusions . . .

(Exception to name calling rule: George Allen is and always will be Senator Barfbag!)

[Island Blue]

15. Points well taken

I really hate that politics has dissolved into a big third grade name calling session. I know it's always been like that somewhat, but it really got vicious during the Clinton Administration (with people bad mouthing him - no pun intended, honest). I guess all of the hate radio shows as well as FAUX News are to blame for starting it. (That's who I blame anyway.)

I know it's not very productive or dignified to call people names, but those to facts probably won't stop me from doing it within the safe confines of DU. In the outside world I'm perfectly dignified when talking to members of the opposition party, but not always so much with my liberal friends. It's a coping mechanism.

I certainly understand your feeling on the matter though.

[LittleClarkie]

17. What does dolphin taste like, I wonder

I suddenly have a taste for seafood.

Here freeper, freeper, freeper...