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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:35 AM
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Kerry certainly ruffled some feathers yesterday,
judging not only from Kos, but also from his freeper pals. Look at the right-wing bile my Kerry alerts dragged up today.

Rush: rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_113005/content/rush_is_right_2.guest.html

Human Events:
humaneventsonline.com/blog-detail.php?id=10590

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:43 AM
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1. Why do you think they are so riled against him. He was good,
as good as possible given the fact that he had to answer for a party where there is not a real agreement on what has to be done.

He succeeded in dismantling Bush's propaganda, attacking just enough, and still showing that the Democrats have a plan, all that without taking a position that Ben Nelson or Barbara Boxer could complain with. Sometimes it is useful to be able to nuance one's position.

They all forget he and Reed were doing the Democratic response, not a statement on where they stand on Iraq. We saw that in their interviews (Reed on PBS and Kerry on the Today Show).

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:54 AM
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3. You hit it on the head.
Kerry and Reed nailed Bush with the Democratic response. This is why Kerry was on NBC. Have to see that.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:41 PM
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6. What? He was on NBC? When? Where?
I miss EVERYTHING!!
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:52 PM
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7. Today show this morning - Windows media clip here
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:41 PM
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10. This was great! Thanks.
I didn't get it through the link posted, but it's online at

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/?ta=y

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:01 AM
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5. Bingo!
He succeeded in dismantling Bush's propaganda.

Kerry came out yesterday and said in a nuanced way, "The emperor has no clothes." It's been said many times before that they hate him for having had the nerve to challenge Bush, they hate him because he very well may have beaten Bush, and most of all they hate him because he will not fold, crawl away, or shut up. He's always there to remind the entire country what a f***up Bushie is and how much better off we'd all be with Kerry in his place. They can't handle that. Kos can't either.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:44 AM
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2. Can you summarize?
I just can't bear to go to those sites!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:57 AM
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4. I don't blame you.
I almost didn't go, myself, but my curiosity to see what Rush might be whining about overtook the loathing.

It's the usual, only with more vehemence. One thing that seems to have really riled up thoses people is Kerry's comments about the way Bush uses the military as a backdrop. The general RW spin seems to be that Kerry's just jealous that he isn't in a position to use the troops in the same way.

It's nasty, but it's always nasty. What's interesting to me is the actions Kerry takes and the words he uses that drive them into a shireking frenzy. My feeling is, if it makes them go nuts he should keep on doing it.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:02 PM
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9. Soon,
when the rethugs run out of rants about what Kerry says, they'll attack his tie, as was done at DU yesterday. Pathetic.

Kerry was glorious yesterday, and yes, he really got under the skins of his detractors! I agree he should keep on doing it.


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jenndar Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:58 PM
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11. Maybe I'm just weird...
but I LOVE when Rush goes after JK. He is SO clearly threatened by JK - poltically, personally, whatever - that I kind of enjoy the display of all of his insecuritues.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:22 PM
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13. Kerry has that effect on people.
That package of his makes a LOT of people insecure. :evilgrin:
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:52 AM
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15. Welcome to the Kerry Forum!
You sure got that right baby, but sorry, you'll have to get in line. "Seniority" ya know! I must say you do appreciate a GOOD THING when you see it! Many happy posts to you!:toast: DC
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:00 PM
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8. Rush, K0S...are the same: the both suffer from the same ailment.
It must be very difficult to see the the light when your head is up you butt.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:31 PM
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12. This one's a beauty too.
Lou Dobbs, via Dan Froomkin. Don't miss McClellan's sniffy little bit at the end: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/12/01/BL2005120100736_pf.html

On CNN last night, Lou Dobbs and Dana Bash talked about the Bush bubble.

"DOBBS: President Bush once again today defended the war in Iraq in front of an audience comprised entirely of military personnel. The president appears to be avoiding any contact with average American, increasingly questioning his policies. Critics say the Bush presidency is becoming an isolated presidency."

Bash showed clips of recent Bush speeches at the Naval Academy, Elmendorf Air Base in Alaska and San Diego's naval air station.

"BASH: Lyndon Johnson tried military settings to boost morale for his unpopular war, even traveled to South Vietnam. But some historians say Mr. Bush breaks with presidential tradition by being so openly political with an audience of troops.

"ROBERT DALLEK, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Franklin Roosevelt during World War II, Harry Truman during Korea. They didn't go to military bases to contest what opponents were saying. They would make the argument in a political forum or in a speech before Congress, or in a State of the Union message.

"BASH: To Bush critics it is crass.

"SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: The troops don't belong to his point of view. They belong to America and to Americans. They are Americans.

"BASH: The White House defends the events as wartime obligation, not opportunistic.

"NICOLLE WALLACE, DIRECTOR, WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS: There is nobody in this country with more at stake, and a deeper commitment, and a deeper impact on their lives.

"BASH: It is impressive stage craft, some call it preaching to the converted and question whether Bush aides choose these backdrops to avoid confronting skeptical, everyday Americans.

"DALLEK: In the end, it doesn't help him very well, and in fact, I think it does him a disservice.

"BASH: What is not in dispute is that for the embattled president, this is his comfort zone."

In his mid-day briefing yesterday, Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asked about Bush's use of troops as props.

McClellan's response: "The President talks to the American people in a lot of different settings. I guess maybe there's some level of frustration by some people, some of the critics, at the fact that our military fully understands the stakes that are involved, and they understand the importance of succeeding and completing the mission, and winning the war on terrorism."
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:23 AM
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14. McClellan sounds like a whiny child.
What a spoiled-brat tone of voice.

:eyes:
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