A question for those who have been around since the primaries

[LittleClarkie]

Did we come out of the election with more Kerry supporters on DU than we used to have? Just curious. Or is the support about what it was in the primaries?

[JohnKleeb]

1. I think we got more

because of supporters of other candidates who have grown to like and admire him.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. And people like me

I'm fairly new, but I came on here loving Kerry. Still do. I'm loyal. And he deserves it.

[JohnKleeb]

3. y'all too, yep so we got a netgain

[TheDonkey]

4. There are more supporters now

DU wasn't too warm to Kerry even during his rise in the primaries. Dean and Clark seemed to have the largest fan bases followed by Kerry then Edwards.

[JohnKleeb]

5. Yeah that sounds right

and to be honest, Ive never been a huge fan of Clark or Dean, would support them of course if they became the nominee but I don't consider myself a fan, I like to do see what people do in the legislature honest.

[TheDonkey]

8. I was always a little stunned by how many Dean and Clark fans

were on DU (many still roaming the lands). I liked them both, but I just couldn't see what those others saw in them I guess.

[JohnKleeb]

9. yeah me neither, I could appreciate it but didnt get it

[Goldeneye]

6. I'm pretty new.

I voted for Kucinich in the primaries and didn't pay any attention to Kerry until well after he got the nomination...Then I started visiting his campaign site during the summer and I came in here a few times and did a wikipedia search...and I can't help it...he's too fricking awesome. I think I've grown to like him even more since the election ended.

[JohnKleeb]

7. I liked Kucinich too, dont know who I would have voted for in the primary

though. My parents I dont know how they were gonna vote but my dad's mom had a stroke the day of the Va primaries so he couldnt vote and neither could my mom.

[vinessa4freedom]

10. I'm new but I'm kind of glad now

If I had seen all that hostility during the primaries, I think I would have run the other way. As it is I hide in here way too much.

[sandnsea]

11. More, overall

Some of the best Kerry supporters don't come in here, like Octafish and BLM. We lost a few too, Dr. Funk, he's just very busy I think. And feanorcufinewe or whatever his name is. I don't know what happened to him. I know he was very discouraged about the lack of a Montana campaign for Kerry. Then there's DJCairo, tough enough I believe, got booted I think. Along with NicholasJ. But we've picked up alot of newbies too, which is awesome!!!! :hi:

[paulk]

12. I'm pretty sure

feanocufinwe or whatever his name was got tombstoned. - I didn't realize djcairo was gone :(

was SangHo a Kerry supporter? I don't remember who he supported...

Do blm and octafish even know about this forum? BLM was really the number one advocate for Kerry, I thought.

[sandnsea]

13. No way!!!

Feanor? Tombstoned? When? He was Mr. Mellow, I can't even believe that. DJ got tombstoned a long time ago, seems to me. He always annoyed me anyway. Flipping back and forth between Dean & Kerry. Haven't seen Sangho around in a while. I don't know if BLM & Octafish know we're here. I PM'd BLM a while ago, thought I told her about the Kerry group. She seems pretty content to stay in the main forums, but I'm not 100% on that. I guess I figure the old-timers can make up their own minds on things.

[GRLMGC]

14. Sangho was banned

He was too much of a troublemaker or something. I found him overly argumentative like another poster that I have on ignore.

[sandnsea]

15. This is very spooky

Yeah, Sango argued with me a few times too, nothing major though. I guess I just don't understand what it is that causes someone to get banned. Lots of people are annoying and argumentative.

[GRLMGC]

17. Well, I'm really not sure about why he got banned

I'm sure the moderators had a good reason.

[sandnsea]

19. Oh probably

Maybe the trick is not arguing in a PM, which I never do. One rebuttal, and then I quit and say "it's your call".

[paulk]

20. he got really bad toward the end - he used to be a much better

poster. He started picking fights, it seemed. Arguing just for the sake of arguing. A lot of people, especially the loopy left crowd, really hated him 'cause he would make them look foolish.

He used to be one of my favorite posters on this board - and I can understand what happened. It just gets really old dealing with the same stupid bullshit - the same posters day after day bashing other Democrats - people whose agenda's seem more directed toward tearing our party apart than fighting the Republican side. The admin. seem ok with it, though - it's frustrating - the urge to lash out rather than have a reasonable discussion (with a completely unreasonable idiot) wins out. Eventually you cross some kind of line - a line that I don't really understand - and you get banned.

[JI7]

22. i really liked sangho

you are probably right about what happened. he was really smart and did make a lot of the people he debated look like fools.

i know he really couldn't stand all the "fuck the south" ,"fuck religion" type stuff. he tried to show that there are a lot of religious people and people in the south who are part of the democratic party or could be part of the party and those "fuck them" type of attitude only hurts us.

and as you say i'm sure after so much of the same crap he probably crossed the line or the mods just saw him as too "disruptive" in the sense that he was involved in a lot of long arguments.

it's one of the reasons i urge people to just get away from it and just ignore them. especially when it's the same people it's not always worth it to continue trying to argue with them.

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. I remember him

I always liked his posts. He was the one person you could count on to consistently speak logic to the rabid anti-theists or anti-Kerry factions at DU. I'm with you, paulk... I really don't understand what causes some posts (or users) to be deleted or banned, while others can spew disruptive filth all day long and never get called on it. Maybe we need to do a better job alerting the disruptive haters? :shrug: I know it gets real old real fast.

[JI7]

16. DJ was kind of a trouble maker

he would do things which i can't stand in many supporters of other candidates which was take something out of context and try to imply something horrible about other candidates.

of course i remember that time when he decided to move on to supporting Dean since he thought Kerry had no chance . but when Kerry won in Iowa he came back as a Kerry supporter and started doing things like calling on others to stop supporting their candidate and get behind Kerry right now. i really hated that, especially since supporters of some of the others did that to us when Kerry was behind. i was kind of glad when they got rid of him.

[sandnsea]

18. I agree

He was a real pain after Iowa. I blasted him more than once on how quickly he'd abandoned Kerry and that he didn't have alot of room berating others.

Taking things out of context to bash "another" candidate? Oh I'd never do that, neeeevver.

[JohnKleeb]

25. oh DJ now you reminded me

Another banned Kerry supporter was Nicholas J, good guy, XanaDUer is one Ive seen post here too, she was known as LibertyChick way back then.

[paulk]

26. I think Mr. J got in some trouble over his "Uncle Ho Ho " name

He was kind of obsessive about going after Dean - it was very personal with him. I'd pm-ed him about that - he is a parapalegic and was very interested in which candidate had the best positions on handicapped persons. He didn't like what he found out about Vermont and Howard Dean - so he made it his job to discredit Dean.

Some of the last threads he was in were really viscious. Some really nasty stuff directed at him. Nasty stuff all around. But those people are all still here and he's gone...

:shrug:



Nicholas posted a lot of stuff during the primary season that was invaluable in my own decision on who to support - and who not to.

[JohnKleeb]

28. Yes Nick helped me learn a lot about Kerry

I miss him honestly, he was not fond of Dean, but i read that stuff he posted about Dean and I can tell you it did not endear me to Dean one bit. His Uncle Ho Ho, I know from talking to him was actually based on Ho Chi Minh not Dean.

[WildEyedLiberal]

30. What kinds of stuff about Dean?

If you don't want to reprint it here you can AIM me or pm me. I just wasn't around for the primaries so I don't know all that dirt.

[paulk]

31. he had a database of newspaper and internet articles

he would cut and paste in response to posts. There was reams and reams of stuff. Pretty overwelming, actually. Since he was an invalid he had lots of time to do research. A lot of it pointed up that what Dean was saying during the primaries was very different from how he had actually governed.

If the advanced search ever works again I'm sure you can still find it in the archives. There was tons of it. Mountains.

[JI7]

34. now i can understand him more

he was one of the best in the beginning. it actually wasn't very personal then and he always focused on issues and facts.

it might have been better for him to just let it go a bit and focus on something else. especially with the primary over.

[JohnKleeb]

24. What happened to Doctor Funkenstein?!?!

Yeah Fean got banned before the election. I havent heard from Octafish since I left GD same wioth BLM.

[JI7]

33. Funkenstein is still around but just busy

he pops in every once in a while. but he was actually kind of busy before the elections also and didn't post much then.

but he is around.

octafish and blm are around but mostly post in the General Discussion forums.

[ginnyinWI]

21. well I'm a refugee from the Kerry blog,

and maybe some of you are too? I know there are smaller blogs like Light Up the Darkness, and the Democracy Cell Project, and the Unofficial Kerry Blog that also have Kerry-blog refugees. Oh, and ToughEnough.com, Diane's site. But all of those are smaller and are mainly made up of posted articles. Here there are a lot of things to read. I tried Daily Kos at first, but didn't like it much. That one is way too big, for one thing!

Maybe the Kerry blog will be back someday. :thumbsup:

[whometense]

27. me too, sort of

I was active early on the Kerry forum, but after he started winning the primaries there was a population explosion, and for me it lost its charm. The purpose changed, anyway. At the beginning it was all of us diehards bucking up each others' spirits. And then there were all the trolls...

I only landed here post-election. DU was way too lefty freeperish for me. But I love you guys. :grouphug: This forum is so cozy.

Thanks for the blog-mention, Ginny. I've been a pretty delinquent poster lately, I'm afraid. My current favorites are Altercation, the Carpetbagger Report, and the Rude Pundit. Also first-draft. But none of them really feel like home the way this place does.

[JohnKleeb]

29. ya knwo the funny thing is the two most popular candiates on DU are

to Kerry's center not left :).

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. It's because we are so damn awesome

:evilgrin:

I know, most of DU is too lefty loonville for me, but this forum is great. I know I've said it before, but I wub all you Kerry fans. :grouphug:

[angrydemocrat]

35. I added the link to the other thread

so you can order the buttons. And I posted a link to the story where I got that picture of him hugging the union man. You should read it also.

[sandnsea]

36. Write some more

We're always ready to post something original. We all work and it takes time to gather resources and put together a commentary. That's why there's so many news articles posted. At least for LUTD, can't speak for the others.