Is it just me, or are "have your cake and eat it too" people out there

[LittleClarkie]

trying to both say that Kerry is a loser AND that there was fraud? Or am I getting my players mixed up. If you believe in the fraud, then Kerry isn't a loser. Ya gotta pick one, you can't have both.

It's a weird mix. Everyone has a different reason.

My other thought is that some people don't want to believe in the fraud because they'd rather believe that Kerry fucked up the campaign and that's why we lost.

That's a lousy reason not to believe. Facts, people, facts.


I know, I know. I'm preachin' to the choir.

[whometense]

1. I know what you mean.

I keep almost getting sucked into arguments about "what went wrong" - but then I remember that Kerry won, and have to drop it. I agree - you can't be on both sides.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. No campaign is perfect

But it's bullshit of them to insist that "Kerry blew it." No, he didn't. WE know Bush is a miserable failure. But 75% of America doesn't HATE him like we do. This is the dude who had 90% approval ratings for a year. It's amazing that Kerry even got close, what with all the cards stacked against him.

But yeah, if you believe in fraud, you can't really criticize Kerry's campaign for blowing it, can you?

God. Let's not use logic, though; that might be too rational.

[TayTay]

3. Strange logic

You can believe that there were flaws in the campaign and believe there was election fraud. All campaigns have problems. Look at the weeds campaign. Those folks thought Kerry was going down for the count at the first debate. The shrubbies actually thought that they had so bled Kerry that weed would just show up and Kerry would fold and the campaign would be essentially over. The Kerry people knew that Kerry had the ability to completely dominate the debate. (They could not know that * would look like an idiot on national TV to the extent that he did, that was probably just a sweet surprise.)

The shrubbies were drinking their own kool-aid. They actual bought the fiction that Kerry was 8-11% points down in the polls and that this race was over. The Kerry folks knew this and used it to their advantage. They put out the false story that Kerry had complained about the warning lights and that he didn't want them on the podium. The rolled the shrubbies with a false game of lowered expectations. All Kerry had to do was show up and he had half won the debate. (That he did so much better than that was sweeeeet! That he purposely had rehearsed with the quotes from weed's Dad's book was a nice, nice tactic. Really annoyed the hell out of the little bastard. Weed should hae been prepped for this. Duh!)

All campaigns make mistakes. They are run by human beings who are error prone. It's okay to say this, it's not disloyal or bad. Pointing out mistakes, if they are the right mistakes and not just good old, not repeatable in this fashion ever again mistakes, is a good thing.

[angrydemocrat]

6. LMAO

Everytime I see that picture it makes me LMAO. And tonight I click on this thread with my head phones on (so I don't wake others) jammin my hard rock music blaring in my ears and he looks like he is playin right along! LMAO. I'm listening to White Snake and that song:

"Here I Go Again"

To walk alone this lonely field of dreams

Chorus:
Well here I go again on my own
Going down only road I have been alone
Like a drifter I was born I was born to walk alone
Well I have made up mind
I aint wastin no more time
But here I go again

Hell I crazy tonight you other Kerrycrats have to overlook me. LMAO

[Firespirit]

4. I guess there are four types on DU.

1. Fraud believers who bash Kerry because they think he should have beaten his head against the wall on the fraud issue and gone down in flames against the Republican courts.

2. Fraud believers who don't have it in for Kerry.

3. Non-fraud-believers who bash Kerry and don't seem to think he did a single thing right in his campaign.

4. Non-fraud-believers who still like Kerry.


I am a #2 myself; I think that it was stolen in OH and NM, and I'm on the fence about FL and the national popular vote. But I have incredible respect for the 4's. That's admirable, to believe that he legitimately lost and refrain from the "cannibalism."

But yeah, I think there's a LOT of cognitive dissonance out there. Back during the recount/lawsuit days, they were slamming him HARD and calling him all sorts of names, then turning around and saying that they wanted the stuff to prevent ** from being sworn in. Um, that leaves one choice....

I'd like to write it off as frustration release, but it occurs so often, and at the slightest provocation, that I'm not sure it can be excused anymore by that.

[whometense]

5. I'm definitely

a two too!

The more time passes, the more I think they tried to steal it in all the little ways - disenfranchisement, bullying, misinformation, intimidation - you know, the good old go-to methods. I'm guessing they hoped that would be enough.

But I think they had a fail-safe plan just in case, and only put it into action when the exit polls showed * losing. I think it had to do with central tabulation, and I think only a handful of people were in on it, centering on Rove.

Ok, you've outed me. I'm a crazy nutjob conspiracy theorist, and I'm now going to go slink back to my tinfoil cave wearing my very tight little tinfoil hat...:tinfoilhat:

[Firespirit]

7. Well...

There's a point at which a conspiracy THEORY becomes a conspiracy FACT.

I think that if anything went down, Rove was aware of it and probably directed it. That seems to be his M. O. We'll see what Conyers & Co. find. I have this happy happy (NON-sexual) fantasy about various players in the ** administration being brought down by the revelations of the investigations, or at the LEAST, the whole GOP and ** administration being tainted for posterity, and Kerry then walking into his own in 2008--after coauthoring the "Election Reform and Accountability Act of 2005." (Early 2006 would also work.)

And I don't think it's impossible. It would be delicious if this administration's downfall turned out to be the very thing that got it into power TWICE -- depriving people of a meaningful election.