Carville pushing Feingold to disqualify him?

[Mass]

Apparently, Carville was praising Feingold's anti-war positions this morning as the best anti-war and reform Democrat around.

Knowing where Carville falls on these issues (dont talk about the war, it's still the economy stupid, push christian and religious talks), this is highly suspect, given that Feingold is very much against everything Carville thinks a candidate should be. Of course, some people were running on GD, as Carville is still their hero (he had a candidate elected with 42 % of votes).

I guess the Hillary people are out trying to promote and divide the more liberal camp and then, he is going to come back and explain that the leading liberal is what a nominee should not be.

When are we going to understand Carville is a loser?

[wisteria]

1. I agree, he strikes me as being wrong most of the time. I really

think he represents our party badly and attempts to divide us, or so it would seem with his assessment today about Feingold.

[karynnj]

2. Also you could argue that in the 2004 GE

if they would have made any attempt to understand Kerry's positions and defend him, they could have swung at least some votes. ON cable they were the most prominent Democrats and they were totally snarky ABB. (That their advice was likely wrong was beside the point.)

I think that DU also likes him because the men he liked - he mentioned Dean for "standing up" and he mentioned Warner twice in his list - makes him like DU.

I scanned the first chapter of the book - they said that Presidents are rarely dumped in time of war, but a few pages away they talk about how painful it was to write the 2004 chapture because Bush/Cheney did everything right while Kerry/Edwards did everything wrong. How can you think both of these things??? The good thing is I doubt, even if no one else wants them, I doubt Kerry will take them - I think he made a great decision last year.

[wisteria]

3. The Kerry/Edwards part sounds like DLC talk. Trying to persuade

everyone that Kerry was not a good campaigner, therefore discrediting him and discouraging another run while all the while pushing the latest DLC contender-Warner.
Excuse me, but screw Carvelle. That ugly, repulsive, bony, poor excuse for a man.

[ProSense]

4. I don't understand this guy.

Given that Carville leveled some of the most questionable crap at the Democratic Party to try to rationalize the election results, and given all the crap we now know happened, when is he going to reconcile those statements with reality? He was closer to it than I was, and I saw the BS. Why didn't he?

He was among the first to profess that the Democrats not deny reality and begin to assess their position. It was this kind of BS, which became a RW talking point (Novak loved using it), that led Kerry, Edwards, Clinton (three months after the election) and Spitzer to make compelling speeches about what Democrats stand for, have always stood for and why the Democratic Party shouldn't buy into the bull.

[TayTay]

5. Once again, the social issues went Dem in '04

Sen. Kerry's positions on jobs, the economy, health care, the environment and so forth *got* through. The internal polls cited by the DNC in last year's winter meetings showed this. (Gawd, Health care was 77% Kerry to 20% Bush or something like that.) That part of the message got through. It is getting through now. (Doesn't anyone else read the real polls?)

Carville is out for Carville. He wants new clients to consult with in '06 and rake in some money. He also needs a 'winnah' because some of his track record is shaky. He did no favors to the Kerry campaign last time. I don't trust him, but then again, I haven't for a long, long time. (Sigh, the Clinton Admin started so well, then what happened to that vaunted message control? Poof! Gone. Sigh! Yeah, I know, Carville does 'elections' but still.)

If Feingold is perceived as far left, then everyone else looks more centrist. Everyone else. Also, I am not convinced that Sen. Feingold will run. We shall see. As it looks now, it is the centrist field that is crowded, more so than the left.

[Dr Ron]

8. We might need Feingold on the left

"If Feingold is perceived as far left, then everyone else looks more centrist. Everyone else."

As things stand now, Kerry may be the most liberal candidate other than Feingold, and you don't want to be characterized as the most liberal candidate in the media.

I'm speaking of appealing to the general population, not here where perhaps being the most liberal is best, but for some reason Kerry is not liberal enough because he wind surfs.

[jenndar]

6. Re: when are we going to understand Carville is a loser?

Last night my friend who works on Broadway saw James Carville walking down the street. His friend saw Mr. Carvile walk into CVS, come out with a set of nail clippers, and CLIP HIS FINGERNAILS ON THE SIDEWALK IN PLAIN SIGHT OF EVERYONE.

Don't worry, it's understood.

[whometense]

7. Well, that's pretty disgusting! n/t

[fedupinBushcountry]

9. One name is all

Carville and Begala are interested in, and I and my husband thought their showing on the Today show was awful. Carville used the word strong for HC, but IMO they were both weak in their appearance, as they were last year during the campaign. IMO they are what are hurting the Dems. I'm sick of it.

[wisteria]

10. Yes, yes, you are correct.! They are both hurting the party.

Carville is repulsive and Begala never even has his talking points in order or correct. They both treat everything like a big joke. I think we can do better than these two.

[karynnj]

11. Is it just me

or is Carville looking more and more like either a reptile or a grasshopper? He is repulsive. (just after I resolved to be nicer too)

[TayTay]

12. They want back in. They think they have a horse to get back in.

Didn't they also lose their gig at CNN when Crossfire went belly-up. Well, they believe they can get back into the hub of power by attaching themselves to a particular horse. I don't think it will work, but they do.

They do only have one choice, btw. I don't think anyone else wants to work with them. Either they find a steady ride or they find a nice plum job on TV again. I think their options are limited.

And it is intereting with Feingold. I like and respect the man, but I don't think he is a serious top tier candidate in '08. There are just too many problems. (Same as in 2000 and 2004 when he also considered running.) I think he will ultimately decide not to run.

[wisteria]

13. I suppose I'm not in the mood to be nice tonight. And yes, I would

go with the grasshopper, although, the reptile runs a very close second.