Ok I want peoples input on this issue.

[angrydemocrat]

First off their has been poll after poll done and the clear choice that Americans want to run again is our man John and Hilliary. I think it is pretty obvious that John will be running again. I also feel it is becoming more obvious that Hilliary is planning on running. Why? First off by people like Carville, Begulia, and other that worked for the Clinton's in the past. Next I get a email from Caarville. That I ignored and I will tell why in a few minutes. Then low and behold Scarborough comes on and starts talking about how Hilliary just mailed out emails to all her supporters.

Next you get all these repukes including Scarborough talking up Hilliary and praising her. Next they make the remark that they have a real strong feeling she is running and if she does she will be the choice of Democrats they didn't care what Kerry told newsweek. Then they start talking about she is in the perfect position to do so and start discussing how if she continues to go nore center and even lean right on issues such as health care she can do good. And that how she can still appeal to her base on issues like the war. Then they go as far as to talk about how if she keeps a clear position on issues such as the war unlike Kerry has ever done she will do good. Saying Kerry never had a clear position. Now keep in mind that someone chaning their mind on the issue of the war is becoming ever so increasingly popular in Washington right now. Alot of Republican have already started speaking out against it. Now I want to know what other are thinking about this issue. Do you agree or not? I don't want to post my opinion in on this just yet I want to see what other are gathering from all this. So I'm keeping my opinion out for now.

[JI7]

1. those polls are based on name recognition

they are mostly meaningless at this point. similar polls after the 2000 elections had Kerry at the far bottom of the list.

Hillary and anyone who wants to run has every right to run. if/when Kerry decides to run again it will be tough. but he knows it and he will make his decision accordingly.

it doesn't really matter what Republicans are saying right now. their whole Hillary thing is a way for them to make money and get ratings. it riles up the right wing base who end up giving lots of money to them.

[angrydemocrat]

3. Listen I Am Asking Others Opinions Including Yours

But I'm not stupid to the point that I don't think others have a right to run. Hell if you or I had the knowledge and money we could nobody is saying she can't run here. And it does matter what happens now that is what the hell is wrong in this country now. Democrats wait to damn long to wake up and realize what is going on and the Repukes are always two steps ahead of them.

Thanks for your opinion although you took it wrong your opinion is it is meaningless. And don't be suprised when you find out that it 's not.

[JI7]

5. it's well known Republicans would like Hillary to run

they see her as easy to beat.

but i think she would be a tougher opponent than many think and the Republicans could end up being surprised if she were our nominee.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. What email did you get from Carville?

I got a snail mail letter a week ago, from the DNC, but the letter was written by Carville. It was pretty generic, just asking for DNC support.

I don't watch TV, but you know, that doesn't surprise me a bit to hear all the conservatives talking up Hillary already. I think it's not even a matter at this point of whether she wants to run. I definitely do think the Repukes would LOVE to have her run; hence, the Scarborough hype (Scarborough is a huge puke and I can't stand his ass). I think they KNOW that Republicans in this country have a built in animosity for Hillary and the Clintons in general that would be incredibly easy to capitalize on in 2008. I think, honestly, that Hillary is the Republicans' wet dream candidate, just because she's SO polarizing. And that's not even saying anything about her, necessarily.

I also think that the pukes are SCARED TO DEATH of John Kerry. They KNOW that if he runs again he has an incredibly chance. Bush is the biggest fuck up ever, and as things get increasingly worse, people are going to start wondering why they didn't listen to Kerry earlier (in fact, I know one of my friends who voted for * who is beginning to regret it). So I definitely think the MSM promoting Hillary and trying to marginalize Kerry plays right into their masters hands; I think the pukes would be much more terrified of the prospect of a Kerry 08 campaign than a Hillary 08 campaign.

This is why we Kerrycrats CAN'T GIVE UP. All the forces in the world are lined up against us - the pukes, many Dems, etc. John has been so willing, bless his heart, to put it all on the line for us; we have to do the same to him. We have to show him we still have his back. We can't surrender this fight. We have to make sure that we are very visible in our support for him through the next four years; he is going to need us.

[angrydemocrat]

4. It came from the DNC signed by Carville

Just like the letters I recieved during this last campaign.

[angrydemocrat]

6. I got one then too

Did you donate to the DNC this last campaign?

[WildEyedLiberal]

7. Yeah mostly

I didn't donate anything until the convention so I only donated to Kerry's campaign once, and then all the rest went to the DNC. I wish I could've given more money to him personally.

[angrydemocrat]

8. ****Let Me Add A Couple Thing's To My First Post.***

So that nobody misunderstands what I meant. 1) I know that anyone can run in a election that John is not the only one that can run. Because I realize that is why you have apponents and there is primaries and debates.

2)When I was going back over what I wtote I realized that I made it sound as if I got the letter before I heard Scarborough but the letter I recieved from Carville came after. (My Mistake)

3)I find it odd the ways certain things have been playing out with the Clinton's and this not the first time I have said nor am I the only that finds their actions a little questioning with the timing and all. And you can check other threads if anyone thinks I'm the only one that has.

4)I don't like the snide nasty remarks that have come out of people like Begulia and Carville about Kerry since this ended. And I said it before and I will say it again they are setting the field up for their candidate to run in 2008.

5)Republicans know by the all surveys and by all polls taken that the top two candidates that that Americans want to run is Hilliary and Kerry. And of the two the would rather deal with Hilliary before they would John. That is not saying Hilliary is not any good. But we can call these people dumbasses all we want when in reality most and I said most are not. The ones that fool themselves is us for under estimating them and what they will do. And they are smart enough to know they don't want to deal with John again if they can in anyway get out of it.

6)So they are starting early in their games they like to play. And if they can can talk Hilliary up and degrade John a little more they will. They are being smart and getting started early. And when I see that man Republicans and one of the was one of the Clinton's biggest critics sitting there bragging on the Clinton's that in itself is a wake up call for me. Republicans have always disliked the Clintons and they have always tried to rip them apart. And you can't convince me that just out of the clear blue sky these assholes are having a change of heart.

7)Also they are trying to play the Clinton's for fools to help to fit their own agendas. Now weather the fall for the shit is another. But when they are talking about her going more to the center and even leaning more to the right on health care and other issues will win her voters big time. And then sit and say that she can appeal to liberals by taking a strong stand on the war and just by her supporting election reform will work. Another words lean more their way except on issues they are agreeing on anyway. Because as we know now we are seeing mor repukes coming out changing their stance on the war and all of them will be pretty well in agreement with eletion reform. But the need her votes for nominatins, health care, and social security. So will she fall for it? Who knows. I would be afraid to say. especially after she voted for that 388 billion pork barrell spending bill.

Only time will tell with her. That one bill was the biggest bunch of crap I ever seen that she voted for and in my opinion she didn't use good judgement there. So we will see if they convince her.

And you can bet that Kerry and Hilliary are planning a run 2008.
Now I said what I wanted to with opinions included.

[vinessa4freedom]

9. I like Hillary.

She's strong and intelligent, and regardless of the games people think she plays, she cares. She really is one of the "good guys". I like what she's done in New York, and living here, I can say that she is an effective leader.

I don't think she'll allow John to be assaulted on her behalf and I don't think she'll endorse anything like that within the party. I may be naive, so you can tell me if you think so, but I really think she likes him and respects him. My bumper sticker will still have to say "New Yorker for Kerry." As much as I like her, I'm a Kerrycrat all the way.

[angrydemocrat]

23. She's a good senator.

I agree with that but president I don't. And it takes more to be the leader of a country than just being a leader of on state. But I give her credit for being a sentor it's not like I hate the women, but president? No way. And I did support her husband and voted for him both times. But questioning your opponent is not out of the ordinary and pointing out what repukes are up to isn't either. This is politics and that is part of it.

[ginnyinWI]

10. I agree with you, a.d.

You've got it right about them--if Scarborough says it, you can bet it is to aid his side, not ours.

By the way, on Washington Journal they read a small news item: Tipper says that Al is interested in a run in 2008! Wouldn't THAT be an interesting primary season!

[angrydemocrat]

15. That would be interesting.

When did you read it? I feel some people got the wrong idea from what I posted from the jump. Because I'm not in anyway saying I don't like Hillary or, that she shouldn't run, or that she doesn't have the right to run. All I was doing was seeing if others see a pattern in all this. But like someone else around here told me earlier if you question anything that regards the Clinton's in anyway wether it be directly or indirectly you make others mad. I'm yet to learn your not allowed to do that. But I myself see a pattern in all of this. I wish you could have seen Scarboroughs show for yourself. And repukes don't praise the Clinton's unless they have something in mind to help their own agenda's. Hell they have always tried to rip them apart and avoided giving them credit when they deserved it. They have always been that way.

[ginnyinWI]

19. it was on yesterday on Cspan

on the morning show--Washington journal, where they read stuff from newspapers around the country. Just a small paragraph in a paper--don't know which one but maybe WaPo or NYT.


You could be right about a long-range strategy. They think, who can we run against that we could definitely beat? I know, Hillary!

I know they wanted Dean to win the primaries this time. Rove was salivating. They had their first attack ad filmed already!

That reminds me: my dad, at the time of our state primary last year, started talking all nicey-nice about Edwards, and said they were going to vote for him (my parents are life long Republicans! but here you can vote for anybody.)
So it turned out that they only did it because he would be "easier to beat!", to quote my dad. Now my dad (he's an old coot of 77)is a hard-core listener to conservative talk radio--not Limbaugh, but local Milwaukee. My suspicion is that they were given marching orders to talk up Edwards and vote for him--you may remember that he did remarkably well in Wisconsin, to many peoples' surprise.
Personally it makes me mad-- because my own father was willing to misrepresent himself to me like that over politics. It didn't change my mind: I still voted for JK, but it makes me mad at how low people will go.

[angrydemocrat]

20. That would piss me off too epecially if it were my dad

But right there is a good example of where the repukes are going with all of this. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of dumbass repukes like * :eyes: but there many who aren't as dumb as we would like to make them out to be. Most repukes are sneaky as hell and will do anything it takes to win. They will back each other better than dems back each other, they don't have people in their party with these crazy ass ideas and attitudes that a candidate gets one shot and one shot only and if they don't win you throw them to the dogs and they are doomed, they realize what it takes to win even if in many cases they did cheat but that is not in every case, they know when to be united and they know when to put up a good fight against each other like the primaries. So the truth and reality of it all there are as many dumbasses in our own party as there is in the other. Face it the bastards do have control of everything. And until Dems learn the the trick of being united for the largest part and put up a good fight when it comes to races among each other I feel it will stay that way. And they also need to take a lesson about not throwing a candidate to the dogs because they didn't prevail the fist time.

[sandnsea]

11. I'm very confused

Hillary was very pro-war so I don't understand where anybody thinks she'll appeal to lefties on that issue. Most Democrats had JK's position. Get the inspectors in, let the inspections process continue, get UN support if invasion was necessary. Bush did not go to war as a last resort. Hillary was much more overthrow Saddam than JK was. And JK didn't change his mind on the war at all, same position for the last 10 years.

More right on health care? Kerry's plan was just to let us buy into one of the plans federal employees have. I never could figure out what the hell was so "socialized" about that. I don't see how Hillary could go more right and offer anything useful at all.

But yes, Begala and Carville are Clinton boys and will be doing all they can to back Hillary. The Clintons have an enormous power structure, and they should. They earned it. I suspect they had alot more to do with that Gephardt/Dean bit in Iowa than Kerry did even, hoping Wes Clark could pick up in NH what Dean lost in Iowa. So I think there will be power plays going on for the next 4 years and the Kerry people are likely very aware of it. The good news is that it'll be going on in the Republican Party too so we ought to be making the most of that at the same time.

[New Earth]

12. JUST SAY NO

to Hillary '08.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

we will lose AGAIN. as much as i would love to see it, this country is not ready for a woman President.

[ginnyinWI]

13. true enough

If they're scared of gay marriage, they're scared of a female president. Especially in a post 9/11 world. And she is always mocked and villified by the right: it's always "Hill-a-reeee!" never "Senator Clinton". They always say , "President Bush"; maybe we should say, "Geee--orr-gieeeee". :eyes:

[TheDonkey]

14. There was a time that Lieberman & Dean were MSM sweethearts

talking heads love to boost people up and then tear them down.

I think the right and MSM is promoting other Democrats for the 08 race because they like drama and talking. I'm sure dem strategists are preparing to run against Kerry in the primary and I expect it to be a crowded field again 8+ people.

[angrydemocrat]

16. I also think that

Dem strategist are preparing to run against Kerry in the primaries. That's what going on wth Hilliary's people right now. And I feel it will be a crowded field again also. But most are already getting started in their work as well. And as for me I will be supporting Kerry so I watch close at what others do and yes I even question things. But hell this is politics. And because you don't back the other teams involved don't mean you don't like them. Everyone is in it to win. Nobody enters into any race in politics to lose and their supporters are out to help them anyway they can. And in this case Hilliary is an opponent. So questioning her or her team is not out of the ordinary. Do people think that her supporters aren't doing the same thing when it comes to John and his supporters. I mean seriously dems back each other when its time but they also put a good fight when its time aslo. That is pure politics.

[Pirate Smile]

17. Hillary would be a great long term Senator and a disaster as a Prez.

candidate.

The Republicans seem to be the ones (and the media) so interested in her running. All the Democrats I know wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole for Prez.

There may be a small group of Hillary supporters who really want to push this but I think it is definitely a minority within the Party.

Start off with 40% hating your guts - Please no!

Any polls now are just name recognition. Remember when Lieberman was leading all the polls? Haaa Haa

[angrydemocrat]

18. Yes

Lieberman...ARRRGH what a joke. I have never liked him that much but I have to say Hilliary has alot of support it may not seem it but she does. Like you said she is a great senator but as a president I don't think so not now.

[merh]

21. Don't sweat the Hillary deal right now.

Gosh, Kerry is working to make a difference over the next 4 years of hell with the weed, he will be a much more formible opponent in 2007 and 2008.

As much as the repukes and Carville are talking about Hillary, she has a lot of skeletons in her closet that will make her bid very difficult in 2008 (the bit with the indictment of her campaign manager for false reporter on FEC forms during her senate race will be one of the hardest things for her to get beyond, she may not have an easy time keeping her senate job, the repukes have her on their radar). She will never be able to get past her husbands record and transgressions.

Don' sweat the Hillary thing (I personally don't like her politically - too centralist, too DLC, too weak). Kerry is doing just fine, he will continue to make his name known and his record will shine.

[angrydemocrat]

22. I Agree She Has Many Many Skeletons In Her Closet

But Iim learning you don't dare post them here. To many still have their blinders on when it comes to the Clinton's. But Merh I for one am not sweating her winning the nominee. But I feel as it has been proven so many times in the past dems can be their own worst enemies and you have to keep your eyes and ears open for anything. And dems as it has been seen so many times make it to easy on repukes because they destroy each other so bad when it is not needed to be. All that does just makes it easier for repukes. I feel people need to watch and listen to everything because lets face it Kerry is the man they all know will be the one to beat and they aren't dumb to that. I'm proud of Kerry and I know he is one tuff cookie and he will continue to work his ass and continue doing great things just as he now. Kerry is a fighter and a leader not a quitter. And I believe with all my heart and soul he will be the 44th president of the United States. But I also don't think it is time for him or his supporters to let their guard down not even for a minute. To much backstabbing and dirty tricks go on in politics to let your guard down that's for sure.

[vinessa4freedom]

24. well, I don't think she's really a threat to him either

(Sorry, by the way, that it took me so long. I had computer issues). In an earlier post, the small number of Hillary for pres. supporters was mentioned, as was the fact that the country isn't ready for a woman president.(That fact makes me cringe for equal rights reasons, but it's true). I think Hillary is a very small factor, and will be a small factor. I do not think she will get the nomination if she decides to run.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think she's a threat to John, I like her as my senator, and I feel like I almost have to defend her here. I don't like feeling like my loyalties are divided. John Kerry is my president. Period. The Hillary bashing makes me feel uncomfortable, that's all.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I guess its just an early response gut thing. I like that the environment in this group is generally very positive. If Hillary comes out and starts attacking John Kerry for one thing or another, I will be at the front of the line in rebutting it.

[GRLMGC]

25. Aren't the lefty freepers

yelling for someone to challenge her in the primaries or something? Nevermind that, she too, is a pretty dependable liberal vote but facts never, ever get in the way for some people.