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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:25 AM
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Medicare Drug Plan Fiasco
Edited on Tue Jan-17-06 09:25 AM by TayTay
Did you guys see this in the press? This drug plan is a disaster of epic proportions. 12 States have declared States of Emergency because people are not able to get their drugs due to the ineptitude of this plan. * has asked drug companies to make all generic drugs available for $2 for the next 30 days and non-generics for $5. Unbelievable. This has pissed off huge, huge numbers of people.

See the New York Times story from yesterday:

President Tells Insurers to Aid Ailing Medicare Drug Plan

By ROBERT PEAR
Published: January 16, 2006
With tens of thousands of people unable to get medicines promised by Medicare, the Bush administration has told insurers that they must provide a 30-day supply of any drug that a beneficiary was previously taking, and it said that poor people must not be charged more than $5 for a covered drug.

The actions came after several states declared public health emergencies, and many states announced that they would step in to pay for prescriptions that should have been covered by the federal Medicare program.

Republicans have joined Democrats in asserting that the federal government botched the beginning of the prescription drug program, which started on Jan. 1. People who had signed up for coverage found that they were not on the government's list of subscribers. Insurers said they had no way to identify poor people entitled to extra help with their drug costs. Pharmacists spent hours on the telephone trying to reach insurance companies that administer the drug benefit under contract to Medicare.

Many of the problems involve low-income people entitled to both Medicare and Medicaid.

In a directive sent to all Medicare drug plans over the weekend, the Bush administration said they "must take immediate steps" to ensure that low-income beneficiaries were not charged more than $2 for a generic drug and $5 for a brand-name drug.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/16/politics/16drug.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1137507735-igodoMEliwSkSFarZ8PcpQ


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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:28 AM
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1. Guess who saw this catastrophe coming?
11/24/03: US Senate. Debate on the Final Version of the MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG, IMPROVEMENT, AND MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2003--CONFERENCE REPORT (From Thomas server.)

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. ENSIGN). The Senator from Massachusetts.

Mr. KERRY. I thank the Chair.

Mr. President, the real test of this bill, in the final analysis, is what it is really going to do for the senior population of the country. I know the arguments have been made forcefully that it is going to take $400 billion and give seniors something. But the test is not whether we are going to give them something, the test is whether or not we are going to do more harm than good.

I believe when we measure the overall impact of this legislation on seniors and on the overall Medicare system, the bottom line is this does more harm than good. That is why I believe the Senate should stop the bill where it is.

Obviously, we would like to pass a prescription drug benefit. All of us want that. This bill could be better. It could be better by being closer to what was sent out of the Senate which had the support of my colleague, Senator Kennedy, and others because it did more good than harm. But this bill moves in the wrong direction because while it was in the conference with the House, it was loaded up with major giveaways to the drug companies, insurance companies, and has put some measures in such as the restraint on the ability of the Federal Government to even negotiate for bulk purchases and thereby lower costs, which is an extraordinary reduction in the ability of the Government to try to constrain the costs overall of prescription drugs.

These are the reasons I think this bill does more harm than good:

No. 1, the prescription drug benefit for many is not affordable, it is not comprehensive, and it is not guaranteed. There are holes in coverage and complex rules. The coverage gaps remain too high, and seniors are still charged premiums even after their benefits shut down in the so-called donut hole.

Seniors are not assured a Government fallback plan with a set national premium. So if there are places where you don't have HMOs or there are other problems, they are going to have increases in their premiums under Medicare. It seems we ought to have a fallback with some sort of fixed price that will be affordable. At least 3 million seniors are projected to lose their gold-plated retiree prescription drug plan and be forced into a lesser benefit under the Medicare plan.

The bill fails to adequately fix protections for low-income seniors and people with disabilities who currently rely on both Medicare and Medicaid for their coverage. That could cause as many as 6 million people to pay more money for fewer benefits.

For seniors who think this bill is only designed to give them new benefits, they are going to be shocked to find that this legislation actually raises $25 billion in new revenue directly out of the pockets of senior citizens by increasing the costs for traditional Medicare coverage of doctor and hospital visits.

They will also be surprised to find out that while we are in such a rush to pass this bill, the benefit is not actually going to come to them until 2006. In the meantime, seniors get a disingenuous discount card. Most of them have four or five of the cards today anyway with the same amount of reduction, and it will give them no more discount than any of those handful of cards available to them in the marketplace now.

The question ought to be asked: Why are we not beginning a Medicare prescription drug benefit until 2006? It took 11 months to put the entire Medicare Program in place. Are we telling seniors we can't, in the age of computers, put a prescription drug benefit in place in a matter of months? Why 2006?

We all understand why. It has to do with the private companies and their taking time to ramp up, the amount of money they are going to get, and the unaffordability today.

One of the biggest failures of this bill is its silence on controlling the rising prices of prescription drugs. Without an effective means to restrain double-digit drug price increases, this bill does nothing to protect seniors from ever-growing out-of-pocket costs. When they are pushed off Medicare into HMOs and the HMOs raise the prices, seniors are going to be screaming about the increased cost of prescription drugs.

This bill prohibits the Government, as I mentioned earlier, from using its bulk purchasing power to negotiate volume discounts for Medicare prescription drugs. That doesn't make sense. In the State of Maine, they have done that with good results. It is interesting, they were taken to the Supreme Court and challenged in their right to do that, and the Supreme Court upheld their right to do that. As a consequence, they are able to provide more affordable prescription drugs to their citizens.

This bill is more about shifting medical costs to beneficiaries than actually reining in prescription drug costs.

In the name of private competition and to prevent the Federal Government from running the program, the Republicans came up with an unprecedented $12 billion slush fund to entice private plans to participate in this risky market. On top of giving them extra payments to participate, the bill does nothing to require that those private plans operate efficiently.

The Medicare Program in its entirety now spends only 2 percent of its total expenditures on administration. By contrast, many of the health plans in the private market often commit as much as 15 to 20 percent of their expenditures to administration. So every dollar that goes to administrative costs is a dollar not available to improve benefits for Medicare beneficiaries. Smart stewards of taxpayer funds ought to demand that private plans be more efficient if they want to participate.

So this bill is not just about adding a prescription drug benefit to Medicare, it is also a bill that represents an ideological excess by some who want to force the traditional Medicare Program down the path to privatization.

Under this bill, 7 million seniors will be given this choice: pay more for Medicare and get forced into an HMO, give up on choosing your own doctor and hospital or watch your bills skyrocket. This so-called premium support provision is, in my judgment, irresponsible and unfair.

The so-called cost containment provisions add insult to injury. By essentially placing a cap on future Medicare spending, this bill is going to attempt to force future Congresses to reconcile Medicare spending growth by cutting benefits, raising premiums, or increasing the payroll tax. I think that is unacceptable.

In addition, this bill squanders another $6 billion on tax breaks for wealthy people, and that is going to have an impact in harming Medicare. The reason is that when a tax-free, high-deductible, catastrophic health policy, known as a health savings account, is created, it is principally going to be used by those who have the money who can afford it. The result is it is going to undermine traditional Medicare by cherry-picking the healthiest people and the wealthiest seniors out of the risk pool, thereby raising premiums by as much as 60 percent for those who are left behind.

In the end, we have to ask ourselves who wins and who loses in this bill. I think I have shown how seniors lose. So who wins? Well, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists, and special interests of every stripe: A $125 billion to $139 billion bonanza, and the stock market confirms it. My hope is we will go back to the table and come up with a measure closer to what the Senate originally did.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:59 AM
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5. I heard his comments when campaigning
which hit some of the same issues, but this is such a detailed analysis of the problems with the bill. He really did seem to identify many of the problems they have now - over 2 years ago.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:13 AM
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7. Why?
Why is Kerry not president? He lays the issues out clearer than anyone, IMO, anyone. Instead the country now has to endure a crooked fool.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:01 PM
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22. Program is a success--never intented to provide drug coverage
The program had two goals. One was to provide huge amounts of government money to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. The other was to undermine the Medicare program.

The program, based upon Bush's goals, is largely a success. He has run into two problems. Even the Republicans in the Senate made him roll back some of his initial plans which would have really destroyed Medicare. Plus the cost is hurting him among fiscal conservatives. Otherwise, Bush's goals have been met.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:47 AM
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2. I swear, every last thing the blivet touches turns to
crap! He has the reverse Midas touch and I hope Dems scream this from the rooftops, while coming up with an alternate, workable plan.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:53 AM
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3. One person in the press last night referred to thisas 'worse than Katrina'
in terms of being a disaster for the nation. OMG! OMG! OMG! The Democrats have to get out in front of this. This is an issue that ordinary Americans can see, taste, touch and smell in terms of it being visible to them through family, friends and neighbors.

The Dems need to be Dems and point out that this program sucks because it was designed for the Drug Companies and the HMOs and not the people. (And some people saw this coming.)
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:58 AM
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4. This certainly is worse than Katrina because the damage continues on
a daily basis. Maybe this is the Administration's back door way of reforming Social Security: kill off all the elderly. :sarcasm:


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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:40 AM
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9. Well, I think what they see will be that the program sucks because
people can't get their meds.

Maybe I'm missing something. It seems to me the problem is that the system isn't working technically - people who signed up for something aren't getting it because the systems aren't talking the way they are supposed to.

I guess I'm just afraid that people won't get the connection that the whole thing was a kickback to the drug companies and the HMO's. As soon as the technical problems are fixed I think most people will just go on their merry way.

Of course I could be totally wrong. And if they don't fix the techie problems soon then people could still associate it with the republicans' incompetence. Which is totally fair and true - it certainly is an outcome of republican incompetence.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 01:13 AM
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24. On top of all of this, I heard on my local T.V last night.................
That the Feds have no intention of reimbursing the States, or the Pharmacists for the 30 day emergency drug supplies. It's all going to fall back on the elderly and sick clients!!! BASTARDS!! I've put off 'til the very last minute choosing my provider, and I'm "eligible" for a "no premium" plan that will cost the minimum co-pays. I'm thinking of going with AARP plan, because I've had their car insurance and road service plans in the past. They really fought like hell against this "sucky" program, so I think they'll have my best interest in mind.:shrug: DC
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:06 AM
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6. When are people going to realize
that this man is a fool. Seriously, he is surrounded by a bunch of people who care nothing about governing this country responsibly. They are only interested in pushing policies that give the appearance that actual thought went into producing them. Every one of this administration's policies---from the budget to the war---are half-baked BS (designed to benefit his buddies). Bush will try to fiddle them when they (like he) should be scrapped.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:53 PM
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19. and the designer of this maginficent healthcare plan--
was supposedly none other than Karl Rove!? How in God's good earth is he qualified? And now he's in charge of rebuilding the Gulf Coast...
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:28 AM
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8. Technical failure. Totally predictable.
Edited on Tue Jan-17-06 11:41 AM by MH1
These people in Washington (and not just Republicans I'm afraid) will dream up any kind of complex arrangement that they can to serve their political goals.

Then when it fails in actual application, real people get hurt.

The current debacle is because the system just isn't working, regardless of the various provisions for who pays what when. And that is totally predictable when the politicians try to build these houses of cards....just like they tried to do with private accounts for Social Security (as if 401(K), SEP, Keogh, 403(B), Roth.... aren't already enough to drive a normal person batshit crazy).

:banghead:

They want us all to have to hire financial planners, that's what it is. (How much is the financial planning lobby paying these people, anyway?) If you can't afford to hire someone to manage your finances then screw you, it's probably your own fault anyway. Take personal responsibility and find a way to make a high enough income that you can afford an accountant, and a personal manager to deal with the health insurance maze. What, you're disabled? Well I'm sure that's your fault too, or you'd have VA or workmen's comp to cover it, right? ....

:banghead:

Of course in this case all the planning in the world didn't help you cuz the insurance companies and the pharmacies and the government didn't make the system work on the day it needed to. You got lucky if your insurance let you buy extra drugs before the switchover, but screw you if your company didn't or if you didn't have the money. Just screw you, you don't matter.

:banghead:

:rant:

Okay now my head hurts. Good thing I don't need a prescription drug for that.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 12:04 PM
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10. Yep, this affected a member of my family
I took my Mom to the pharmacy a few nights ago to get her insulin. She gave them her brand-new shiny Medicare Part-D card, and they told her that she wasn't in the system yet. And that she wouldn't be in the system for at least another 14 days. Fortunately, the state program for low-income seniors (Prescription Advantage, still listed as her secondary insurance) agreed to cover it for now. But there are plenty of elderly people out there who don't have a secondary insurance, and who don't have their kids nearby to help them through the red tape.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 12:34 PM
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11. See, that is what's screwed up.
Edited on Tue Jan-17-06 12:35 PM by MH1
Why is she "not in the system yet"? When did she sign up? And even if she signed up at the "last minute", there should have been provisions in place to handle that.

Just curious though - how did she pay for insulin before?

On edit: I don't meant to imply that there aren't other problems with the program. I just don't think the average person will see some of the other problems.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 12:58 PM
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12. But the average person gets the complaints on the phone
from their parents and other people. This is a disaster. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. The Bushies were warned about this, Mike LEavitt was warned about this and nothing happened and now this.

Public Health Emergencies in the states due to the implication of this program? OMG!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 01:21 PM
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15. There are also a lot of problems
when seniors travel. I remember my aunt falling ill in VA and she was told she had to pay upfront. It was going to be a lot of money in the thousands. I don't remember the whole situation, but it happened last year. She returned home for treatment instead.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 01:23 PM
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16. Oh absolutely.
Maybe they'll decide it's time for competence in government?

Nah, what am I thinking. /sarcasm.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:49 PM
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18. She enrolled in plenty of time
She was enrolled in a Medicare drug plan (a BCBS plan, so it's a reputable company) automatically by the state program that had already been helping her pay for prescriptions, a plan called Prescription Advantage. She received her new Medicare Part-D card around New Years Day, and needed to fill her first prescription under the plan last week. Under Prescription Advantage, she's had a copay of $18 for her monthly supply of insulin, which is a heck of a lot better than the $100 it would cost without any insurance. With the Medicare plan, it's supposed to go down to $5 a month. When she went to pick it up, she gave them her new card, and the pharmacist was on the phone for quite a long time. When he came back, he said that the Medicare folks told him she wouldn't be in the system for at least another 14 days. Since Prescription Advantage will remain her secondary coverage, the pharamcist was able to get them to cover her prescriptions for now, until she gets into the Medicare system.

My Mom will be fine. Me and my brother will make sure of that. But there are plenty of elderly folks out there who don't have a family support system nearby to help them get through the red tape. She would never have gotten enrolled in Prescription Advantage in the first place if we hadn't hunted down the info about it, filled out the forms for her and mailed them in.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 03:08 PM
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20. Yes, I figured that.
I used to do a lot of this stuff for my parents (they are both gone now), and I used to think how hard it must be for people who don't have anyone to help them. The whole system is crazy. And this new "plan" just adds more red tape, from what I can see. It's a good thing your mother has you and your brother helping her.

But it's just friggin' unbelievable that they couldn't even have your Mom in the system in that time frame.

Oh wait. It's perfectly believable, with this crowd. :banghead:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 01:13 PM
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13. It is unclear if the States will be reimbursed for the funds spent
to make sure that all the people who had coverage for drugs before this plan, have coverage now. Arizona had to dip into their funding for $500 million in order to make sure that Arizona citizens have drug coverage. There is no guarantee the Federal Government or the insurers will reimburse the states for this.

STATES PROVIDE INTERIM Rx DRUG COVERAGE AMID PART D PROBLEMS

Inside CMS:

A growing number of states are opting to foot the bill for low-income residents
experiencing problems getting their medications filled under Medicare's new
prescription drug benefit. The groundswell of interim state coverage is
continuing despite ongoing uncertainty over exactly how states will be
reimbursed for the drugs they provide.

At press time, at least 10 states were using their own funds to pay for drugs
for residents who could not get their medications through Part D because of
start-up problems experienced since the benefit came online Jan. 1. Several
others are thought to either be implementing or eying similar aid initiatives.

So far, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Connecticut, Vermont, Maine,
Hawaii, New Jersey, Idaho and Massachusetts are offering state-funded temporary
drug coverage. New Jersey senator Frank Lautenberg (D) this week launched a
legislative bid to try to force the Bush administration to repay states for
their costs.

So far, however, it is not clear how states will be reimbursed. Sources from
several states said they were still in negotiations with CMS while others said
they expect to recoup their costs from drug plans.

CMS has said it cannot repay states. An agency spokesperson said CMS does not
have the statutory authority to reimburse the funds via Medicaid or by lowering
states' Part D clawback payments. The official said he understands that
repayment for the coverage will have to come from drug plans.


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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 01:20 PM
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14. Now THAT is going to piss off some Republican governors.
(The Dems were a given).
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:25 PM
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17. This GD post explains a lot too!
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 03:13 PM
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21. Oh wait. These people won't vote.
Folks are commenting on that thread "I hope these people vote in November." Yet they are elderly and poor.

The republicans will put in some crazy registration, absentee ballot, and photo id rules to make sure many of the folks impacted by this - mostly elderly and poor will not be able to actually vote in November.

Anyone wanna bet me?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:39 PM
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23. Senior complain; plan described as nightmare
Democrats Hear Angry Seniors on Medicare
By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer
10 minutes ago

snip...

Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, senior citizens and pharmacists complained to Democratic lawmakers of being put on hold endlessly as they tried to get prescriptions filled.

"Unfortunately, the start of the new prescription drug benefit would be described by many patients and pharmacists as a nightmare," said Tim Tucker, a pharmacist from Huntington, Tenn., who is a member of the American Pharmacists Association Board of Trustees

snip...

First, many participants automatically enrolled by the government into plans found another that they preferred. However, they waited until late December to make the switch. Their status was not updated before Jan. 1, so pharmacists could not locate their files to determine how much to charge them.

Secondly, large data files transferred from states to the federal government, or from the federal government to an insurance plan, contained errors. That meant people who had previously received their drugs through Medicaid did not make it into a Medicare plan.

more...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060121/ap_on_go_ot/medicare_drugs

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:45 AM
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25. How out of touch is this guy?
Snip...

The president's focus on healthcare comes as his administration faces criticism over glitches that have plagued the roll-out of the new Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Bush had strongly urged Congress to pass that program and he touted it in his 2004 re-election campaign.

Since the drug benefit was launched on January 1, many poor and elderly people have been snagged by problems that have made it difficult for them to get their prescription costs covered. About half of the states have stepped in to pay the costs of people who have run into problems.

The drug plan relies on private insurers, pharmacies and healthcare companies to provide coverage to Medicare's 42 million beneficiaries. It has been criticized as too complex and confusing.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060121/pl_nm/bush_economy_dc




Wasn't his plan promoted like it was as great as Ten Commandments?
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