i'm starting to really hate this (Bill Clinton and the Bush family)

[JI7]

i have made excuses for Bill because he is doing good things for people who need help. i don't think he should stop. but he could be doing all of this by himself, without the Bush family.

i wonder if his getting closer to the family kept him from being tougher on Bush during the 2004 elections. he would have general criticisms of the Republicans, even mentioning and speaking out against he swift boat assholes and those who support them. but he never tied them in by naming Bush as being a specific supporter of them. he would just say "republicans" or "right wing".

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[_dynamicdems]

1. I know how you feel. The entire thing makes me ill. I'm very

dissapointed in Hillary lately, as well.

[ProSense]

2. I wonder if Clinton

will continue that stupid joke when Bush gets impeached. It's so friggin strained right now. The man is a failure. His domestic policy and foreign policy suck. In just the past week, Clinton was overseas trying to explain U.S. policy failures on everything from global warming to the Palestinian elections, so why the stupid association?

Abramoff, Delay, Libby, Rove, indictment, impeachment---does Clinton really want to continue straining to identify with Bush?


Clinton needs to take a page from Carter.

[JI7]

3. that's why i think his relationship is affecting what he says about them

he clearly knows what is going on in the country and the problems we are having.

but he often seems to be holding back in his criticisms of Bush. and sometimes contradicts himself. he will say the Democrats need to be tougher and not take the crap the right wing throws at them. but when asked specfically about BUsh, he will often make excuses, or play down the problem.

it's too bad. i was hoping Clinton and Carter would do great things together. they have a lot of respect around the world and are far more influential than the Bush family. but i remember how the Bush administration purposely left Carter out of some things because of his criticisms of BUsh.

i also think Clinton still has the whole thing with wanting to be liked and accepted. and of course there is the whole thing about him never having a real father. his dad died before he was born and he had that abusive step father. with Pappy Bush he may feel like he has something he always wanted but never had.

in a way, the Bush family could be using Clinton with this talk about how he is like a son, brother etc also.

[ProSense]

4. That's such a good point.

It would have been good to see Clinton and Carter working together. Clinton clearly didn't need Bush to do his thing, so it makes it even more curious.

[sandnsea]

6. He's used to abusive relationships

Carter would be a much more loving father figure. But Bill is used to abusive relationships. If it's a father figure he's after, perhaps it's telling that he gravitated towards the Bush clan instead of the Carter clan. I think Jimmy & Rosalyn would have been delighted to take Bill under their loving and truly Christian wings. Sad Bill didn't have the good sense to go that direction.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. I'm really quite surprised myself

You don't see Bill and Carter hanging outside of politics. I agree that the Carter's would be way better. They just have this wonderful positive aura around them. *sigh* It's so sweet.

[karynnj]

10. Clinton as President was not very happy with Carter

I may be wrong, but I think that Kerry was the first to give Carter a speech at his convention. I remember that Clinton was kind of annoyed that Carter was a bit uncontrollable.

[politicasista]

5. I like Clinton and this is disappointing

I think people who support The First Black President need to know to truth.

[BlueIris]

8. Please no one flame me, but...have faith, J17.

I mean, I'm tired so I don't feel like elaborating, but--my Bill is a lot of things, he has his own agendas, (always has) yet, when it comes to the Bush family, the relationship there is to Bill's advantage, (and ours) not the Bushes'. Or at least, IMHO, not the Bushes' in the way the family may believe it is, and the way some on this board have started to feel it is.

[Mass]

9. It is in Bill's advantage, that is true - Is it in the American people

advantage though?

[karynnj]

11. He may think he can manipulate the Bushes.

He is really smart and he may feel he can push them in a good direction. I really see no evidence of that and worry as the Bushes and their allies are ideologs with an agenda they fiercely hold to (even when they hide it from the world) where Clinton is more mallable, looking for pragmatic solutions. Compromise is natural for one side and not the other.

Note: I prefer compromise to inflexibility, but when the inflexible people hold all the power - fighting not flexibility is needed. (Clinton should have seen this with the IWR. Kerry (and others) worked in good faith to negotiate a more acceptable resolution. They gave up a lot but thought they had gained a lot too. But everything the Bush people "gave" up, they later ignored having given up. They don't compromise in good faith.)

[blm]

12. How was it to Bill and OUR advantage to have all investigations dropped

in 1993?, including IranContra and BCCI?

Seems to me that terrorism networks became stronger, 9-11 and Iraq war policy occurred because of it, and the Bush family and their cronies were able to get stronger because there was no one scrutinizing their crimes any longer.

[sandnsea]

13. Oh hey

Aggravation with Bill in no way means I don't appreciate what he does do, because he gets some wonderful things done and is speaking to global issues in a way that few others are. I just wish he and Hillary didn't hedge their bets so much because I don't think so-called conservatives are really that far out in their thinking that they really support the wacky Tom Delay view of the world if they really understood what it was. Bill could help break through that with some straight talk, but he just doesn't. That's what is so frustrating.