Kerry's haters at work -

[Mass]

John on Americablog has a blog against the filibuster saying that Kerry is using us.

And matt Stoller on mydd basically says the same:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/1/29/16134/9930

[Mass]

1. There is also a thread on DU that said that some senators are mad

because it takes time from Abramoff and the NSA story. Well, why dont they use the debate to lay these issues rather than letting the floor empty.

[karynnj]

3. They are incredibly stupid if they don't see the

link between Alito's views and the NSA story - his view of the rights of the President would likely allow it. He even would allow things like attacking Iran without consulting Congress. Today the best was they could address NSA is to argue Alito based on that.

In terms of Abramoff, only more indictmants will really increase the damage here. Senators speaking has served to muddy the waters for two reasons:
-the lack of people's ability to understand that money from Abramoff, though it could be legal, mostly isn't. Money from the clients is a problem only if there was a problem in why it was given.
-Both parties have initiatives to clean things up. You know which will see legisltive action.

Meanwhile, this is a judge likely to be on the SC for maybe 30 years.

[sandnsea]

7. Exactly

We need to form our own consulting or pr group or something. I don't like to criticize Democrats but they or whoever is advising them is just missing the boat.

[TayTay]

4. They hate Kerry

What else is new? LiberalOasis did the same thing. They are all off my list of sites that I read now. They are putting their dislike of Kerry above the concern for the nation. Nuff said.

[whometense]

5. Liberal Oasis

seriously pissed me off this morning. And is off my list too, as of today.

What a pile of horseshit - and frankly, teed off as I was about what Obama said yesterday (and Biden every day), what hypocrisy to tear into them for doing essentially the same thing they were doing.

These people need to get the f*** over themselves, all of them.

Edited to improve incoherence. :eyes:

[Mass]

6. I wrote to LO this morning to tell them what I thought

No doubt that if it was Feingold rather than Kerry, LO would be touting his leadership qualities.

It was easy for Feingold to take the lead of a filibuster that had the support of Reid and was nearly certain to succeed (we'll see what happens this week though), a lot harder for Kerry to do that in a filibuster that has a high risk to be lost and did not have the support of Reid (even if he will vote for it).

[ginnyinWI]

12. it would seem that

even among liberals and in the blogosphere, there is a certain "status quo"--and JK is shaking them all up, so that they're not sure of their bearings anymore! JK doesn't fit their agendas--they didn't give him permission to launch a campaign for a filibuster! I agree, they need to get over themselves. Just having a blog doesn't make you a political genius.

[ProSense]

2. Excellent points! n/t

[BlueIris]

21. Oh, man. We lost Liberal Oasis, too? Egh....

I actually liked them. EGH.

[paulk]

8. these people need to lose

if Kerry is actually able to pull this off -

they won't have anything to piss and whine and moan about anymore.


Kerry is using us, huh?

I think there's a few people on this forum who wouldn't mind being used...

in a good way, of course

[TayTay]

9. Thank you Paulk!

We have been trying to keep it down lately. (But, ahm, blush, yeah, that sentiment is there.)

I just refuse to give to sites that do this bashing. It's not right, particularly when Kerry is sticking his neck way out here, with great risk.

[ProSense]

10. A lot of the comments are in support of Kerry.

I posted this in the GD thread also. The polls actually refute his argument. People are so blatant when it's clear they have other agendas.

[jenndar]

11. So basically what they're doing is articulating that the

Democrats need to KEEP making the mistake of hoping somebody will finally get pissed off enough at the Bush administration to give some power back to the other side?

'Cause that's been working so well so far.

Whatever. Go Kerry!

[europegirl4jfk]

13. That's it! I won't read AmericaBlog anymore!

John Aravosis is using the Republican talking points and blaming Kerry for launching the filibuster from Switzerland. How disgusting!

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/01/why-i-oppose-filibuster.html

"The man announced the filibuster from Switzerland, people? What, he couldn't get a camera on his windsurfer? If John Kerry were serious about this filibuster he wouldn't go off gallivanting to Swizterland in the middle of it. He'd have stayed in DC, met with the million-dollar groups, met with the blogs and the grassroots, and coordinated a REAL campaign to win this, a REAL campaign to win public support, or at the very least he'd try to lose this in a way that's still "a win."

...

and:

"John Kerry is using you. A leader who uses you for his own personal gain - who plays on your understandable angst and tricks you into supporting a filibuster with no plan whatsoever for victory, who has no plan to win the war of public opinion regardless of the outcome of the vote, who simply is doing this because he wants to win the Netroots' support for his 2008 presidential campaign, to hell with how much it hurts the very goals that Netroots wants to achieve - is no leader in my book."


I know that John is no fan of Kerry and I suppose is has much to do with the fact that Kerry didn't openly support gay marriage, but that really is it for me. I won't go to his blog again.

[Mass]

14. Add bluemassgroup.com to the list.

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1334

[whometense]

15. But then there's this one:

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1335

But they are reliably very harsh on JK almost all the time.

[Mass]

16. I love this web site - The second post from the beginning was good

to read

http://upper-left.blogspot.com/

This is not true.

Think about it for a moment. John Kerry called for a filibuster from Switzerland two hours after it became public that there were not enough votes for a filibuster. That is atrocious. Tinman points out on Breaking Blue the essential point:

If he was serious about it he would have stayed in Washington, held press conferences, lobbied his colleagues and tried to generate as much attention as possible. Since it was just a PR stunt, it wasn't necessary for Kerry to change his travel plans.

And actually, Matt, you do, or at least can, get points for trying. What you don't get points for is quitting.

John Kerry lobbied for a filibuster in caucus with his colleagues before leaving for Davros. His travel plans were changed so that he could return on a 4:30 am flight and be on the floor to participate in a filibuster.

Kerry has a longstanding pledge to support, and if necessary, lead, a filibuster against any Supreme Court nominee he views as a threat to our civil liberties generally, and the right of privacy in matters of reproductive choice specifically. Alito inarguably fits the bill.

...

And this one (third post from the top) answering to Joan Vennochi's column yesterday in the BG.
http://www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com/

[whometense]

17. That's my buddy

Shaun at Upper Left - I've guest-blogged for him. He's a great guy and a loyal Kerry supporter - also a Vietnam vet.

The Chimes at Midnight rebuttal was classic!!!

[_dynamicdems]

18. POX on them! n/t

[Dr Ron]

19. Wonkette

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/john-f-kerry/john-kerrys-last-stand-the-alito-filibuster-backstory-151434.php

Not that we take anything from Wonkette, pro or con, seriousy (especially now that we have a fake Wonkette) but better to have something positive than negative regardless of the source.

[Dr Ron]

20. What would they say if Kerry didn't filibuster?

These would probably be the first people to bring up his 2003 quotes and attack him for not keeping his word.

[wisteria]

22. Exactly, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

Actually, these all seem to be the same group of Kerry haters. Did we really expect something positive out of them.