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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:33 PM
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OMG! White House knew the levees would break -- NYTimes article.
Edited on Thu Feb-09-06 10:41 PM by TayTay
The Inquiry
White House Knew of Levee Failure on Night of Storm
By ERIC LIPTON
Published: February 10, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/politics/10katrina.html?hp&ex=1139547600&en=d6fcffd6820bf50d&ei=5094&partner=homepage

WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Bush administration officials said they had been caught by surprise when they were told on Tuesday, Aug. 30, that a levee had broken, allowing floodwaters to engulf New Orleans.

A Closer Look
An examination of documents shines a new light on the government response to Hurricane Katrina.
But Congressional investigators have now learned that an eyewitness account of the flooding from a federal emergency official reached the Homeland Security Department's headquarters starting at 9:27 p.m. the day before, and the White House itself at midnight.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency official, Marty Bahamonde, first heard of a major levee breach Monday morning. By late Monday afternoon, Mr. Bahamonde had hitched a ride on a Coast Guard helicopter over the breach at the 17th Street Canal to confirm the extensive flooding. He then telephoned his report to FEMA headquarters in Washington, which notified the Homeland Security Department.

"FYI from FEMA," said an e-mail message from the agency's public affairs staff describing the helicopter flight, sent Monday night at 9:27 to the chief of staff of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and recently unearthed by investigators. Conditions, the message said, "are far more serious than media reports are currently reflecting. Finding extensive flooding and more stranded people than they had thought — also a number of fires."


This is the most reprehensible group of lying bastards to ever hold political office in this country. They knew the levees would break. They knew, from the Hurricane Pam scenarios that had been run through in '04 that the result of a levee break would be catastrophic. And yet, Bush didn't even cut his vacation short. He should burn in the hottest part of hell for this.

Gawd I hope Bush gets impeached. His crimes are so much worse than Nixon's.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:36 PM
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1. Sen. Kerry was so right about this group of incompetent thugs
when he made his speech at Brown University in Sept. Give it a re-read, it's still a great and biting speech.

Senator Kerry's remarks as prepared for delivery follow.

Remarks of Senator John Kerry (As prepared for delivery) Brown University September 19, 2005

Thank you for what the Brown community has done to help and comfort the many victims of Hurricane Katrina. This horrifying disaster has shown Americans at their best -- and their government at its worst.

And that's what I've come to talk with you about today. The incompetence of Katrina's response is not reserved to a hurricane. There's an enormous gap between Americans' daily expectations and government's daily performance. And the gap is growing between the enduring strength of the American people -- their values, their spirit, their imagination, their ingenuity, and their willingness to serve and sacrifice -- and the shocking weakness of the American government in contending with our country's urgent challenges. On the Gulf Coast during the last two weeks, the depth and breadth of that gap has been exposed for all to see and we have to address it now before it’s obscured again by hurricane force spin and deception.

Katrina stripped away any image of competence and exposed to all the true heart and nature of this administration. The truth is that for four and a half years, real life choices have been replaced by ideological agenda, substance replaced by spin, governance second place always to politics. Yes, they can run a good campaign -- I can attest to that -- but America needs more than a campaign. If 12 year-old Boy Scouts can be prepared, Americans have a right to expect the same from their 59 year-old President of the United States.

Katrina reminds us that too often the political contests of our time have been described like football games with color commentary: one team of consultants against another, red states against blue states, Democratic money against Republican money; a contest of height versus hair - sometimes. But the truth is democracy is not a game; we are living precious time each day in a different America than the one we can inhabit if we make different choices.

Today, more than ever, when the path taken last year and four years earlier takes us into a wilderness of missed opportunities -- we need to keep defining the critical choices over and over, offering a direction not taken but still open in the future.

I know the President went on national television last week and accepted responsibility for Washington's poor response to Katrina. That's admirable. And it's a first. As they say, the first step towards recovery is to get out of denial. But don't hold your breath hoping acceptance of responsibility will become a habit for this administration. On the other hand, if they are up to another "accountability moment" they ought to start by admitting one or two of the countless mistakes in conceiving, "selling", planning and executing their war of choice in Iraq.

I obviously don't expect that to happen. And indeed, there's every reason to believe the President finally acted on Katrina and admitted a mistake only because he was held accountable by the press, cornered by events, and compelled by the outrage of the American people, who with their own eyes could see a failure of leadership and its consequences.

Natural and human calamity stripped away the spin machine, creating a rare accountability moment, not just for the Bush administration, but for all of us to take stock of the direction of our country and do what we can to reverse it. That's our job -- to turn this moment from a frenzied expression of guilt into a national reversal of direction. Some try to minimize the moment by labeling it a "blame game" -- but as I’ve said - this is no game and what is at stake is much larger than the incompetent and negligent response to Katrina.

This is about the broader pattern of incompetence and negligence that Katrina exposed, and beyond that, a truly systemic effort to distort and disable the people's government, and devote it instead to the interests of the privileged and the powerful. It is about the betrayal of trust and abuse of power. And in all the often horrible and sometimes ennobling sights and sounds we've all witnessed over the last two weeks, there's another sound just under the surface: the steady clucking of Administration chickens coming home to roost.

We wouldn't be hearing that sound if the people in Washington running our government had cared to listen in the past. They didn't listen to the Army Corps of Engineers when they insisted the levees be reinforced.

They didn't listen to the countless experts who warned this exact disaster scenario would happen. They didn't listen to years of urgent pleading by Louisianans about the consequences of wetlands erosion in the region, which exposed New Orleans and surrounding parishes to ever-greater wind damage and flooding in a hurricane.

They didn't listen when a disaster simulation just last year showed that hundreds of thousands of people would be trapped and have no way to evacuate New Orleans.

They didn't listen to those of us who have long argued that our insane dependence on oil as our principle energy source, and our refusal to invest in more efficient engines, left us one big supply disruption away from skyrocketing gas prices that would ravage family pocketbooks, stall our economy, bankrupt airlines, and leave us even more dependent on foreign countries with deep pockets of petroleum.

They didn't listen when Katrina approached the Gulf and every newspaper in America warned this could be "The Big One" that Louisianans had long dreaded. They didn't even abandon their vacations.


more at: http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=246124
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:44 PM
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2. Thanks finally.
This was mentioned briefly before the MSM drowned out all critics. Someone stated that it wasn't Katrina directly, but the flooding that caused the fatalities and the devastation.

People don't want to believe that constant pressure from Kerry and others have an impact, well I am getting more excited about the 2006 election:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2449493&mesg_id=2449493
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:48 PM
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3. It does have an impact.
At first, it's just perceived as these little pebbles that are more of an annoyance than anything else. But those pebbles add up and can become an avalanche. I think this is what we are seeing. These people, as JK said, are incompetent. This is yet another instance of their extreme incompetence and indifference to the suffering of others. But in this instance, Americans died. Who knows if some of the dead might have been saved if the response had been a little bit earlier and a whole lot more organized. Americans died because of this gross incompetence and the Bush Admin needs to be held accountable for it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:13 PM
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6. This is interesting
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:02 PM
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4. How can they live with themselves?
They knew and did NOTHING to get people to safety! Re-reading the Kerry Brown speech you posted, I can't imagine how sickened Kerry was by the sheer in-difference. It makes it easier to understand why he changed from trying to hold out a hand to help to full throated opposition.

This reaches the level of crimes against humanity. I agree that the hottest place in hell is where Bush deserves to go. How can he sleep at night? They are very bad men and women.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:10 PM
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5. Our country is starting to resemble like a conspiracy nut's wet dream.
I'm beginning to think there isn't a thing I'd put past this administration. Nothing would suprise me at this point.

This is abso-effing-lutely unbe-effing-lievable!



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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:37 PM
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14. so true
They refused to fund levy repair and upgrading. That in itself is just asking for a disaster to happen - which is precisely what they got.
It sure looks like another LIHOP, doesn't it? I always look at it this way; who will benefit the most? And sure enough, the buck ALWAYS stops with the Bushies, their cronies, Halliburton, or the repugs in general.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:40 AM
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7. I like it when he says
Katrina pulled away the curtain, and we found there was no wizard.


ugh - I look at this, and all I can think about
is how different things would have been this past year,
if Kerry was in the White House.

And now the lying bas***ds aren't even going to help rebuild -
or even provide enough trailers for the people that want to rebuild on their own.

How can he not get impeached?
It's one horror story after another.
Oh yeah - talk about terra. That makes it all better.
Have Rove threaten repugs.
The slime of the earth.

I believe in karma. In the end they will get what they deserve.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:46 AM
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8. Me too -
of course you kind of have to believe in karma because otherwise things would be just unbearable.

Well, karma, and the wonderful sight of the opposition learning to pull together and fight the evil overlords. I still feel so optimistic tonight after hearing that Ed Schultz interview - JK sounded so upbeat and determined and tough, it made my heart sing. Was just watching the Olbermann repeat - see it tonight? Everything is falling apart for them. I have never in my life been so happy to wish anyone so ill.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:49 AM
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9. thanG-d for Keith!
He is the only msm I watch.

But - I do have a major beef with him.
He tends to ignore a certain senator.

Maybe it's time to educate KO?
He obviously doesn't know what he's missing.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:53 AM
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10. why wont the disgusting media take these things seriously
their entire outrage is aimed at JImmy Carter for daring to say something not favorable and just the truth about the monkey.

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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:14 AM
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11. The White House also knew
that Bin Laden was determined to strike the US by air. If the media put in 1/10th as much effort into reporting these things as it did to reporting what Bill Clinton may or may not have done with his penis, the world would be a much safer place and George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and a host of other mofos would be enjoying three square meals a day behind bars.

I don't believe A SINGLE WORD that comes out of this White House. They are a bunch of friggin' rat bastard liars. My contempt for anyone who knowingly voted for them grows stronger by the day.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:21 PM
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12. I'm sure that Rove made the political calculation
that wiping New Orleans off the map would be beneficial to Republicans.

A lot of Democrats used to live there.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:33 PM
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13. Sick though it is, his mathematics may be bad
Allowing a city to be destroyed is sick beyond believe, but it might be looking at only one side of the equation. We lost LA last time anyway, but it was purple and has a Democratic Senator and Governor. Poor whites in the surrounding area may have noticed that the Republicans don't value poor people.

However, the survivors went somewhere. They are likely more heavilly Democratic than before the flood. Likely some significant numbers moved to swing states. Some of these swing states may now be a tad bit more Democratic.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:43 PM
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15. Anyone listening to today's hearings on Katrina response?
Very interesting--some heated responses. It seems the repub senators are mostly intent on making Brownie a scapegoat for everything from start to finish. He really blew up at Coleman's insinuations--I wouldn't be surprised to see a soundbite or two make the news.

Don't get me wrong--he was definitely unqualified for the job. But a key factor, as the Dem senators pointed out, is that FEMA should not be under DHS but should be restored to being a cabinet level organization. It looks like Chertoff and his bureaucracy was a major problem. We need to get the cronies out! The third problem was with having a president who doesn't do details and just leaves the decisions to others. So because of cronies, bureaucracy and a mindless president, people died. :mad:
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