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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:07 PM
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Limbaugh brings up Kerry to suggest Democrats have problems when hunting
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:08 PM by karynnj
too. Ok, First he said the media is making too much of Cheney "peppering" his friend. Then he said the Democrats have been embarrassed about hunting too. Such as the 2004 Presidential candidate, then he asked for the tape, a very pleasant (and familiar) voice said "Can I get me a hunting license?" Rush said Kerry would never talk this way with his Boston friends. Then he repeated Kerry's words.

So, Kerry using folksy improper grammar is apparently as bad as Cheney shooting someone! You can tell he was panicking - jumping from saying Dean says he should step down because of this (forgetting the little outing Plame), that The liberal lionize Kennedy and he was worse, that it was the victim's fault and that they didn't report it because Cheney was probably at the hospital with the victim and his wife. He was mad that the press pushed it in McClellan's press conference.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:24 PM
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1. Rush is just p'd off.
Snip...

Blog Watch

Joel Achenbach writes in his washingtonpost.com blog: "I find the story reassuring. Cheney is a man who doesn't just talk the talk. No, if he's going to send American soldiers into harm's way, where they might be shot at any moment by a deranged fanatic, he's also going to do the same thing to his close personal friends. He's giving his hunting buddies a taste of life in the Cheney Era, when you count yourself lucky just to get out alive."

Blogger Josh Marshall is asking lots of pointed questions.

Oliver Willis asks: "Do you think that if Al Gore had shot someone that the media wouldn't hear/report it for 24 hours?"

Michelle Malkin writes: "Unfortunately, this is very bad news for the White House--and not just because of the inevitable late-night jokes that will inundate the airwaves over the next week. The Dems will exploit this accident to smear Cheney as incapable of being trusted, weak of mind, etc. The resignation rumors will fly again. And the biography of a man who has served this country so well and so honorably for so many years will be overshadowed by a single, ill-fated hunting mishap."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:29 PM
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2. Wow, Michelle Malkin is truly shameless.
Poor maligned Uncle Dick. Pardon me while I wipe a tear from the corner of my eye.

:nopity:
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jenndar Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:55 PM
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10. She really is.
If John Kerry shot a guy while hunting, I would be motherfucking devastated. I'd still love him and everything, but not in the form of spin. Shooting a guy is shooting a guy.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:32 PM
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3. Ahm, Sen. Kerry isn't 'on' all the time
and doesn't have to speak like a Senator all the time. He has down time and has been known to both sear once in a while and talk like a normal person. (Sigh!)

I love this article from a person who hates Kerry. (Ah, read it, sometimes it's good to read stuff from people who hate you.)http://www.slate.com/id/2084445/


Merry Kerry
Senator Stuffy lightens up.
By William Saletan
Posted Monday, June 16, 2003, at 7:06 PM ET

If he loses, there's always stand-up comedy

For years, I've been dreading John Kerry's inevitable presidential candidacy. His precocious pomposity and corny Camelotisms convinced me both that he would run for president some day and that he would lose. And he was on his way to doing that until last week, when he attended a living-room reception in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Somebody seems to have removed the pole from Kerry's tuchis. He was funny, relaxed, and self-deprecating. If he keeps this up, he might actually become president.

Maybe the credit belongs to the bad weather that made him horribly late, throwing him off script. Or maybe it was the odd layout of the room, with some people seated on the floor and others on a sofa facing away from him. The senator's rumpled shirt sagged over his trousers. He thanked the audience for waiting, praised its "good humor," and launched into an impromptu comic routine. His timing was excellent; his deadpan was worthy of late-night TV. Gesturing to a nearby piano, he joked that for a minute there, he thought he'd been booked for a recital. He recalled Bill Clinton's suggestion that presidents be allowed to serve three terms. "I promise just to serve two terms," said Kerry, adding, "Republicans do it differently. … They just have the son repeat the father's whole first term." His language was salty and boisterous. "What the hell's going on?" he teased. As the audience got into it, he demanded, "Yeah, applaud! Come on!"

Turning serious, Kerry reeled off several good lines I'd never heard from him before. He charged that President Bush's tax cut had "trickled on" the middle class. He accused the administration of "opening firehouses in Baghdad and shutting them in American cities." He dismissed Bush's conservative reputation, arguing that "no conservative Republican in America would run up the deficits" as Bush had done. Referring to Bush's Iraq victory speech, Kerry cracked, "I know something about working with aircraft carriers for real. I think it takes more than having a very skilled Navy pilot land you on an aircraft carrier to make up for two and a half million jobs lost."

Kerry couldn't resist a few flowery allusions to President Kennedy and the moon landing. But overall, his presentation was refreshingly human. He dropped some of his G's. He raised both hands to his forehead to convey how crazy he thought Bush's tax cut was. It's hard to imagine Kerry mustering this much body language without Viagra. "This is a choice between common-sense American values—down-to-earth common sense—and a bunch of extremists who are prepared to undo 50 years of progress in this country," Kerry declared. Down to earth? John Kerry? Heavens.

My favorite moment was Kerry's response to an elderly woman who asked whether he was reconsidering his support of the Iraq war in light of Bush's failure to find weapons of mass destruction. For months, Kerry, the only man in the race to have risked his life for his country, has been the most cowardly candidate on the Iraq war. He's never walked into a sentence on that subject without leaving himself a way out. When I heard the question, I assumed Kerry would bend with the wind, attacking Bush's failure to find the WMD, but leaving himself an escape hatch in case the weapons turned up. I was wrong.

"I don't know yet" about the WMD, Kerry told the woman. "There are people who yet have to be debriefed. There are sites that yet need to be inspected. … I'm not going to jump to any conclusions." The words were uncertain, but Kerry's expression was perfectly at ease. He wasn't focusing on how to protect himself from the question. He wasn't afraid. He was just trying to tell the truth as far as he knew it, and no more.

Leaving the reception, Kerry climbed onto a motorcycle outside. A woman who had just seen him speak called out, "Senator, you're not arrogant, and you're not aloof." Kerry didn't answer. He just looked up at her, raised a devilish eyebrow, and gunned the motor.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:37 PM
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4. Ugh, that's pretty vile
x(

Amazing how if he weren't so worried about making stupid, unclever jokes, he might have seen the real Kerry that was in front of his face the whole time. Too worried about being one of the Kool Kidz, I guess. :eyes:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:39 PM
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5. Not completely vile
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:40 PM by TayTay
The reporter had his preconceived notions about Kerry challenged and had to admit that he did not know the actual guy. He was surprised to see Kerry as a good communicator and a likable guy who could connect with a crowd. This is a good thing. (Ahm, the reporter had to 'eat crow' over his preconceived notions about Kerry. I liked that part.)

Lord, why can't everyone have a 'beer with John Kerry.' He is an interesting and down-to-earth guy.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:45 PM
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6. Yeah, but if I'm not mistaken, this guy turned around and bashed him...
...During the primaries, saying he was the worst possible candidate. So his epiphany didn't last too long.

Maybe the Beltway Pundit Club revoked his membership, and he had to recant and hate Kerry again before he could be readmitted to the Kool Kidz Klub.

You can just tell that this jackass sat and tittered at his own rapier wit the entire time he wrote this article, so replete was it with flat one-liners and pathetic excuses for cleverness. It's amazing how the funnier pundits imagine themselves to be, the less they are in real life.
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:00 PM
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11. I have read this before, and I totally believe the writer is an ass, BUT
I have to admit, I love this part!

Leaving the reception, Kerry climbed onto a motorcycle outside. A woman who had just seen him speak called out, "Senator, you're not arrogant, and you're not aloof." Kerry didn't answer. He just looked up at her, raised a devilish eyebrow, and gunned the motor.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:45 PM
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7. Thanks for reminding me
what a prick Saletan is.

Honest to god, if only half the press corps had actually bothered to do any actual listening to him before they started regurgitating Howie Carr-isms, he'd be president today.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:47 PM
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8. It's more important to be a Kool DC Beltway Kid!
After all, it's more important to be the cleverest kool kid at the cocktail party than it is to be a responsible political journalist. I hope they like their Cosmopolitans spiked with fascism, because that's what they've helped bring to America.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:05 PM
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9. When we take back the media, can
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 03:06 PM by ProSense
we order smarter people?

Kerry was in the military and came out of it with some lifelong friends. Kerry was also a prosecutor, and when he made the filibuster speeches the other day, he mentioned working with the police (on there side obviously). What I wonder is how anyone could perceive a person in these two roles achieving any success or developing any bonds with no, or a flawed, personality? The military and similar institutions are very cliquey, and it's easy for someone to be cast off as unsociable, different, etc. It takes a lot of personality to bond with people from diverse backgrounds. Having the military in common helps, but that alone cannot overcome phoniness and other flaws in one's personality, not to the extent where you develop real friendships and earn respect.

Thoughts!

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=30471
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:13 PM
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12. Not "on" all the time? "Audioshop" is also possible.
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 04:16 PM by MH1
I'm sorry, I can't for the life of me imagine John Kerry actually saying, "can I get me a ..." Not even in an attempt to be "folksy".

Maybe it's just the way I was brought up. (hey does that make me an "elitist"?) However I remember back before online photos and video became the rage there was always talk of how audio recordings could be doctored. I wouldn't put it past Limpsock. Do we know that the recording is real? (If so I may have to listen just so I can convince myself.)

Edit to add: On very, very rare occasions I have been known to use that construction myself, but it's like I broke a glass or something when I realize what came out of my mouth (I am much less hard on myself for swearing!) ...so I guess it's possible...
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:16 PM
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13. Heee! Shades of "Primary Colors"! n/t
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:08 PM
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14. I can't imagine JK saying, "Can I get me a ..." either.
I guess I can't imagine it because I DID grow up around people who talked that way, although not necessarily in my immediate family. (Jump on that elitist train, IB!) Because of my exposure to "folksy", I am quite fluent in the language however, and I know that JK attempting to speak "folksy" in public would be about like me trying to speak French in public. Not advisable. I think he is smart enough to realize that.

I can however imagine him riding away on a motorcycle. :loveya:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:58 PM
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19. Was said flatly?
Without inflection? I can see that. I would use the phrase, (as a for instance) 'I'm gonna get me some Red Sox tickets for next month.' It would be a flat statement. I hear that around here. If it was said with undue inflection, then no, it's not natural speech. (Does this make any sense at all? I have also said, 'I'm gettin me some ice cream over there at that stand.' It's not correct but it is informative.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:04 PM
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20. yeah almost exactly like that - no infection at all
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 09:08 PM by karynnj
So he's speaking like he's from ... Boston? It may even have been worded more like that - I heard it while driving to get some things done and your wording really could be closer to what he said. There was no inflection or fake accent and the tone of voice was very normal and pleasant - nothing to suggest he was putting anyone down.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:15 PM
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22. Then if it was a flat statement of the obvious
I can see the 'simple speech' involved. The thought itself was an obvious reference to what he plainly intended to do. If there was no great emphasis on any words, then yeah, I've heard that usage, even among 'the educated classes.' My mother uses the phrase to indicate an action to be taken that is just plain. ("I'm gonna get me whatever.") Extra points if he said 'gonna' instead of 'going to,' btw. Also indicative of 'simple speech' meant to be communicative, not grammatically correct. (Even among Yale grads, one assumes. Especially Yale grads who have had to hang around 'us' locals.)
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:16 PM
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23. I didn't actually hear it.
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 09:20 PM by Island Blue
I also don't know exactly what you're saying (or how you're saying it). I would say "I'm gonna git me some ice cream ...", but I can't imagine JK saying it the same way I would. I guess I think that even in his casual speech, he uses better grammar than I do. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

On edit after seeing Tay's latest post on the subject: I've never said "going to" in my life. Actually sounding out a "g" on the end of a word like "going" is strictly prohibited in Southern speech.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:05 PM
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24. Kerry has some of the accent and some not
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 10:14 PM by TayTay
When he's on TV and has 'formal speech' he has the American Standard accent. (except for ideer and Chiner, those seem to be there all the time.) When he is off-the-clock, then he has more of a Boston accent (except he does pronounce his 'r's.) He would say gonna, or, if he wanted to sound like me, he would actually say 'gonner' for 'going to.' (Boy, now this veered off into 'who cares' land really quickly. Sorry.)

Bottom line, yeah, I can see it happening. Especially if it was said flatly.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:23 PM
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26. We'll have to ask him next time we see him.
You're right, I guess we've veered off into "Who Cares Land", but I find accents fascinating. Maybe it's because I grew up surrounded by them, but don't have one myself.

One think is for sure, JK doesn't have the same accent that he had in 1971 when he testified in front of the SFRC. You can still hear bits and pieces of that accent, but there's a noticeable difference.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:34 PM
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27. Well, that's what happens when you have to hang out with
us Massholes. (LOL!) Heck, you only hung out with me for a weekend and I had you saying, 'wicked awesome' and 'friggin bastids.' Imagine how much worse it is/was for poor JK who had to do all those breakfasts and stuff with us. (Of course it rubbed off. But then again, so did many good things as well.) And, as an aside, I would never, ever agree with anyone who thinks JK ever even once said, 'Yankees suck' (in public) I do not believe my taller Senator would ever say this (in public.) I don't think he ever uttered (10 years ago when it sort of was in usage) the phrase, 'wicked pisser' either. And I think he eats lobsters, not lawbstahs. But I can see him saying, 'I'm gonna get me...' I don't find that too odd.

(By the way, about that lawbstah thing, I found out that some people in Revere and Wintrop, MA roam the beaches after big snowstorms and such and wait for the lawbstahs to come onshore. It seems the little ugly shellfish like to come ashore during nor'easters. Locals in the know go down to the shore and just pick 'em up off the sands and have themselves a nice, free dinner. Who knew?)
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:51 PM
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28. I've seen crabs walking around on the streets here in town.
I think they probably escaped from the crab shredders during soft shell season. I actually had a crab in my back yard a couple of years ago. Not the same as lobsters I know - just thought I'd steer the conversation even further into Who Cares Land.

And yes, not having an accent makes it really easy to pick up whatever accent the people I'm hanging out with have. I'm easily influenced.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:26 PM
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15. It was on tape - but I couldn't tell if it was doctored
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 08:32 PM by karynnj
It didn't sound that bad - though I've never heard Kerry speak that way in the hours of video or audio. Also, seeing that Bush speaks like that ALL THE TIME and he attended the same college.

I also remember during the election seeing the whole thing of him getting the license - what I remember more was that the clerk needed Kerry's social security number and the crew was filming, so Kerry asked if he could write it down instead of saying it. The clerk was a little confused until Kerry pointed out he didn't want it on tape. I honestly don't remember one way or the other - so it likely was edited.

The point is if the worst thing Kerry ever did was to garble one short sentence spoken in a normal voice (which was all that was played) , that is patheticly innocent compared to shooting a guy in the face. (The only thing more pathetic is that they question him using Teresa's jets. )
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:16 PM
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25. I think it's kinda cute.
Someone who obviously went there as a Kerry hater found himself liking JK despite himself. I like the last part about raising a devilish eyebrow.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:26 PM
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16. Because this is JUST LIKE shooting somebody in the face
Ever had your fat ass hunting for anything besides oxycontin Rush? Didn't think so.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:28 PM
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17. Yeah, really.
:eyes:
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:45 PM
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18. for Pete's sake
Is JK going to be the new scapegoat for the repugs? I guess the clenis is ready for retirement.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:10 PM
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21. No they switched quickly to Kennedy
Later he was saying Hillary was being too angry because she wants the liberal bloggers to like her. But, even if she was angry, she didn't shoot someone.
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