Extremely interesting read! Recommended...

[Vektor]

I couldn't put it down. Whadda ya think?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=524042&mesg_id=526578

[Mass]

1. Another Hillary's supporter who wants Kerry to disappear!

If Kerry had won the election, this person could not say that the campaign was pathetic and could not say somebody else must be the candidate.

He has been going around blaming the campaign and the candidate, but ignoring the fact that the DLC and co have been attacking Kerry during the GE and helping to create the idea that he was a bad candidate.

I have had my issues with the campaign, but it disagree that it was that bad. If it was, why did Kerry got so many more votes than Clinton did in 96.

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. I believe that individual...

... called me "fat" on DU once. No joke.

[Vektor]

3. Fat?

WTF?

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. Yeah

Someone posted a thread about how no one got shot on Kerry's hunting trip, which our friend managed to threadjack into a Kerry-bash. I snarked back, and he replied with something like "Haha, let me guess, your boyfriend's name is Shallow Hal?" As in the movie with Jack Black and Gywenth Paltrow in a fat suit? I alerted and it got deleted, but it was completely fucking out of left field - not only was it a rude, insulting thing to say, but where did it come from? Does he associate women who support Kerry with fatness? WTF?

[Vektor]

9. I have no idea.

That is SO weird. But he is unstable.

[karynnj]

7. That is beyond weird -

THe fact that you aren't (from the Kerry picture) is irrelevant, he/she likely had no idea what you looked like. It's also not a really good answer to any argument.

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. Exactly, he has no clue what I look like

It was bizarre and nasty. Who the hell - especially someone pretending to be a liberal - makes fat jokes?

[TayTay]

10. Oh WEL, that is the mark of a person you have just bested in

an argument. They have nothing left to say. You have reduced them to '.... and, and, and, ahm, you're fat. And your mother wears army boots. And your feet stink. So there.'

Then they all pick up their toys and go back to kindergarten class and try and behave like a good little 4 or 5 year old. Sigh!

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. It was pretty classically pathetic

I told him it illustrated his maturity level quite well.

[TayTay]

12. That particular one once told me that

I used humor in my posts and that this was an unfair advantage as not everyone could use humor and that I should feel ashamed for being funny in the presence of the unfunny. (Or something like that. I sometimes have trouble unraveling the ravings of the politically insane.)

Ahm, that was my first 'Don't use humor on me missy, cuz I can't defend myself from it' post in my DU history.

[karynnj]

14. Not everyone can post intelligently (or sanely) are these

additional unfair advantages.

If you apply this to the debates, I guess they would have to penalize Kerry for Being:
-smarter
-better informed
-taller
-better looking
-sane
-capable of speaking English
-more logical
-not wired
-more Presidential
-nicer
-married to the more intelligent, better woman

[JI7]

15. that's disgusting

and i think it's a troll. the fact it claims the media is not biased in favor of right wingers. attacking Kerry in that thread which is meant to go after Cheney.

there is no excuse for the personal attacks.

[karynnj]

5. Interesting thread

The comment from one person on some Bush voters being embarrased (and avoiding the exit polls) was interesting. I had basically thought this wasn't likely - thinking either side seeing there candidate as at least ok, but the fact that she met these type of voters while canvassing was interesting.

I think that the media might have played a larger role than the mchines. A free media is needed for a fair election and we didn't have one. Bush's flaws were hidden by a media that refused to question things that were blatant. Kerry's plans and vision of the country and its future were hidden. His war record, his Senate record, and his and Teresa's personalities were totally distorted. Only at the convention and at the debates was he able to be seen without a media filter. I would not have believed anyone 2 years ago, if they spoke of a corporate media that would distort the facts to keep a man who they couldn't control away from the Presidency. I wouldn't even have argued, just quietly left the conversation.

[ProSense]

13. That was

the excuse used to justify why the exit polls favored Kerry, but the results showed Bush.

No one will ever convince me that the election wasn't tampered with to alter the results. There were massive problems (electronic and otherwise) in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Alaska, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, California, New Hampshire (these are still in the news in trickle) and other states.

DRE machines present voters with their choices on a computer screen, and voters choose by touching the screen or turning a dial. The vote is then recorded electronically, usually without ballot paper. DREs make up a growing share of voting equipment. Nearly 30 percent of voters live in jurisdictions that use DREs, compared to 17 percent in the 2000 election (see Table 2 on page 27).28 DREs allow voters with disabilities to use audio prompts to cast ballots privately and independently, and they facilitate voting by non-English speakers by offering displays of the ballot in different languages. DREs also provide greater accuracy in recording votes, in part by preventing over-votes, whereby people mistakenly vote for more than one candidate, and by discouraging accidental under-votes by reminding voters when they overlooked one or more races.

The accessibility and accuracy of DREs, however, are offset by a lack of transparency, which has raised concerns about security and verifiability. In most of the DREs used in 2004, voters could not check that their ballot was recorded correctly. Some DREs had no capacity for an independent recount. And, of course, DREs are computers, and computers malfunction. A malfunction of DREs in Carteret County, North Carolina, in the November 2004 elections caused the loss of more than 4,400 votes. There was no backup record of the votes that were cast. As a result, Carteret County had no choice but to rerun the election, after which it abandoned its DREs. Other jurisdictions have lost votes because election officials did not properly set up voting machines.29

The above is from the Carter/Baker Commission. That 30% represents about 37,000,000 voters. What's 3 million votes? A few NC-like glitches on a much smaller scale, 10 here, 100 there, then sdd the suppression factor in Ohio and Florida and it's highly possible. Kerry need only OHIO. I believe he had both Ohio and Florida and a lot more votes.

Had the margin of victory for the presidential contest been narrower, the lengthy dispute that followed the 2000 election could have been repeated.

[ProSense]

6. Maybe that

Hillary supporter just got wind that Rove via Drudge is predicting that Hillary will get the Dem nomination, but lose the general election.

Anybody who believes Kerry ran a bad campaign has zero credibility with me. And then I look at who they support. Hillary?

[Mass]

16. Given his answers to the various posts following his initial post,

this person has really a serious complex of persecution.

I just put him on ignore because there is no way to discuss about anything with him.