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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:30 AM
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I believe
Today is the beginning of the end for these lying, dishonest hypocrites in the * Admin. They are not going to get away with their undemocratic, unAmerican movement to wage war at will and to do away with my civil liberties. I do not support them and I will do everything I can to make more Americans aware of their real agendas.

I believe in Dems who will stand up and vigorously take on these usurpers of the American tradition. They have my support, my thanks and my deep affection.

I believe!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:40 AM
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1. I believe
that the will of the people will eventually be heard. Those sitting on the fence will gradually become aware of these oppressors' true motivation--to have the U.S. in endless war from now on. They will protest and be heard!
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:45 AM
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2. Thanks for the encouragement.
It's so bleak sometimes, folks, that I lose heart. I must confess I pray that Bush will be punished...

But what I really want is for the truth to triumph, for the people to triumph, for men and women of peace and justice to rise up in this world, for freedom and justice to rain down upon all, particularly those who have suffered the most grievously.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:51 PM
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3. I've been saving this for today.
Here. I hope it provides a bit of cheer, and maybe something to look forward to and work for.

Some details of this are less important than others, but I hope and believe that the important details of this "future history" will happen.

:grouphug:

(Note: This is meant for those who believe that Bush "won" by election fraud. If you don't, please don't flame... this forum doesn't need that. We'll find out who's right about that soon enough, I hope. I trust Conyers & Co. and whatever conclusions they arrive at, and if they find no evidence that the election picked the wrong person, I'll eat crow. I don't think that'll be the case, but I'm willing to admit being wrong. And if that doesn't take ** down, something else will. :))


Summer 2005: Senators Kerry and Lautenberg co-author voting accountability acts. The Repugs get them temporarily shelved by attaching pork and undesirable riders that no one wants to vote for. The Dems sigh and bide their time. (The Lefty Freepers go off the deep end.)

October 2005: The Conyers investigation of Ohio concludes. A forensic analysis of the computers and ballots determines that there was Election Night hacking, pre-election rigging, and fake ballots in several locations in Ohio, and that the criminal activity swung the election. The "exploratory" investigations then home in on New Mexico and Florida, and a criminal investigation of Ohio begins to examine who did it.

Early 2006: "The Conyers Commission" finds the culprits, and they have links to Rove and Blackwell. Blackwell resigns. Meanwhile the New Mexico investigation turns up the suspected "pre-setting" of the DREs to Bush, as well as other fraud, and the Florida investigation finds that a program similar to Clint Curtis's prototype was used "to control the vote in South Florida." Representatives Tom Feeney and Katherine Harris immediately resign, but refuse to speak to the press.

Summer 2006: Rove is subpoenaed and testifies under oath. His testimony puts Cheney under suspicion. Kerry and Lautenberg resubmit their bill, cleansed of all extraneous crap, and it passes this time because the Republicans in Congress are scared, in Cover-Your-Ass mode, don't want to look like they are in on the fraud, and are sniping big-time at the Administration. The Kerry-Lautenberg Act is fast-tracked, especially in the three "Orange States," in time for the midterm elections.

Late 2006: Dems sweep the midterm elections, the first reasonably clean ones since 1998.

Early 2007: Rove is convicted of conspiracy in election fraud. Bush, stupid as ever, issues a pardon. Cheney isn't convicted of anything, but he mysteriously seems to lose a lot of clout in Washington. The de facto leaders of the government are now Majority Leader Reid, Minority Leader McCain, Senator Kerry, Senator Clinton, and Speaker of the House Conyers (OK, some elements of this are pure fantasy! :))

Summer 2007: Kickoff of Campaign 2008. The Republicans are in the midst of a bloodbath between the moderates and traditional conservatives (led by Spector, Giuliani, McCain, and a self-centered Schwarzenegger whom everyone sees through), and the remnants of the neoconservatives (led by Condi Rice and Jeb Bush, who has somehow managed to stay clean so far). The Democrats are having a friendly battle between the Kerrycrats and the Clintonites--between the future and the past, if you will.

Late 2007: Schwarzenegger again calls for a Constitutional amendment that would allow him to become president. That doesn't help the GOP's prospects or standing.

Early 2008: Kerry emerges as the Democratic nominee. Meanwhile, in the GOP tent, McCain refuses to run against his friend Kerry--or it's rumored that they cut a deal involving a Cabinet seat. Pandering Giuliani screws up by defending the non-Fraudgate record of the neocons, but he doesn't leave the race. Spector runs his standard inept campaign, sees the writing on the wall, and quits. Rice, being associated with the Bushies, can't muster ratings above 30% or so and quits. Jeb Bush's ratings are even lower--he is widely suspected as having been a conspirator in the Florida scandal and that his brother protected him--but he bullheadedly stays in. So it's a fight between Giuliani and Jeb, two candidates that nobody likes.

Late Spring, 2008: A severely PO'ed player in the Florida end of Fraudgate backstabs Jeb, ending his political career. Giuliani emerges as the GOP nominee, but he is DOA and knows it. Fundamentalists--who, through all of this, still only care about gays, abortion, and mandated religious indoctrination--go nuts (well, further nuts) and swear that they won't vote. A wacko fundamentalist runs as the Constitution or Reform Party candidate and makes them backtrack on their promise.

November 2008: Do I even have to say? OK, details.... Kerry 54%, Giuliani 30%, Random Nutjob 16%.

January 2009: Bush leaves office, yielding the White House to the very person he defrauded. He is disgraced beyond any possible disgrace that might have come his way had he done the honest thing four years earlier. Having rejected the chance to be called merely a failure, like his father, he made a deal with the devil to get a second term and is now paying for it by being placed beneath Nixon in crookedness and corruption.

Oh yes--and the best part. ;) The FreeRepublic goes into major meltdown mode--because, through it all, they defended Bush and the neocon philosophy, disbelieved (and STILL disbelieve) in Fraudgate, supported Rice and/or Jeb, disliked Giuliani, but didn't necessarily want to support Mr. Nutjob because not all were Fundies. They're fractured, disgruntled, angry with the crash-and-burn of the Neoconservative movement, and they truly believe that their Preznit was wrongly "convicted" in the court of public opinion by the Democrats. They and their ilk are cast out of mainstream American politics for good.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:06 PM
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4. Oh, man!!!
If ONLY!!!!!!!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:20 PM
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5. Love, love, love it!
Wonderful. Gonna print this one out and put it over my desk.

I really do believe!

(plus some actual hard work. And more thn half a brain.)
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:38 PM
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6. YES YES YES!!!
Beautiful!


I believe!


:yourock:
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:46 PM
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9. Well...
I'm glad it was well liked.

I write fiction, BTW, and hope that I come up with plausible plots. :D There is an excellent chance, IMO, that something like this will happen, although some of the later events (with assorted people getting theirs) probably are a bit of wishful thinking. Even if it's a dud, and they can't prove anything one way or another, our guys and gals in Congress are going to at least give us a level playing field for future elections. I believe that fully. Whether "it happened" or not, the indisputable fact is that it could happen and there would be very little public evidence of it short of statistical peculiarities. I'm confident that our people in the Senate and House, those who have been pounding on this point all month, are not going to let up.

That's not even touching the other scandals and screwups that are just waiting to explode, like the torture memos and the Plame investigation. I'm interested in the outcome of that. Somebody's going down in that one; the question is who.

Basically, I do believe in fate, karma, divine justice, or whatever you want to call it. They will answer for what they have done. It's definitely something to look forward to.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:13 PM
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13. Sigh....
I write fiction too. I think it's important to imagine what could be as well as what is. :D

I think if the election had gone the way we wanted it to, I might eventually get into the mood for a more dystopian outlook in fiction. As it is, when I read visions of the future, I'm feeling a real craving for hope (escapism, wishful thinking, what have you). But I think this piece has just enough plausibility that it clicked into place and felt right. :thumbsup:


I do believe that something will break. It simply has to.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:48 PM
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10. Great piece! I've got a few additions...
Through all these goings-on, Bush keeps up his policy of endless war, driving the country further into deficit and killing thousands of people. Troops are strained and most know a draft is coming for sure. The general public finally starts to wake up and smell the coffee.

When the election fraud is exposed, proven in court, Kerry is finally ackowledged as the true winner of the 2004 election, and Gore is thought also to have won in 2000. There continue to be nay-sayers, but the public believes, once Bush is "outed" as a liar. I think it would be best if he had to resign--that would be a clear act to convince the public. Because they are going to be loathe to face reality, after drinking the Koolaid for so many years!

When Guilliani, or whoever, runs in '08, they will keep the Fundys on board anyway, by feeding them some string of lies, which they will swallow, just like they did for the 2004 election.

Nader will run again in 2008, and get a .0025 of the overall vote!

John Kerry takes the oath of office in 2009. The RW attack machine still fights on, although it has been severely discredited. The networks become more favorable to the Democrats because they are in power, and agree to re-instate the laws governing equal time for both sides in their broadcasts.

President John Kerry is every bit as effective a president as Bill Clinton, and more, because there will be no sex scandals to taint him. He goes down in history as a president as great as FDR for all of the wonderful social programs he institutes in his two terms in office--equal access to health care, jobs-growing programs, environmental advances, and education. The economy grows by leaps and bounds, and the deficit is eventually vastly reduced. His foreign policies come as a welcome relief to all of our allies, and his anti-terrorism initiatives (based on intelligence and diplomacy) reduce it to just a "nuisance", for which the world is eternally grateful. He has accomplished his dream, which is to let America be America again!
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vinessa4freedom Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:59 PM
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12. Thank you for making my day.
I really needed that.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:56 PM
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7. I believe!
I believe that *'s evil empire will start to be taken down brick for brick. Kerry has dealt with evil bastards just as bad as these before and it never stopped him from doing what was right for America and the American people. Kerry has also already had some experience dealing with the *'s and trust you me they don't even like the thoughts of Kerry being in the position he is in now because they no he is the biggest threat they have to destroying them and tearing down their evil empire that they have worked so hard and so long to build. They also know Kerry can destroy it a hell of alot quicker than they built it. Don't think for one minute these bastards aren't scared because they are.

The media (yes that so-called "liberal media" what a fucking joke) and other repukes can sit and build * and his evil empire and followers up to be something great and out to be these take no shit from nobody type and do as we see and want type people, but let me say this they and everyone else better take a hard look at who they are pissing off and coming up against. If one thing has been proven in history that surely is that no democrat is a damn pushover in anyway. Wether they be liberal, moderate, or whatever when you piss a democrat off and back them up against the wall you are sorely glutting for true and brutal punishment before they finish. Because no matter how damn mad they get at one another or what they say or do
to one another you let someone who doesn't belong cross that line and by hell their sorry ass is doomed!

Well my friends these bastards have made the mistake and crossed those lines and they are as I said doomed by their own doing. We are have a repeat of what happen in the during the Nixon days right now. Democrats prevailed then and we will prevail again. And I so truly believe if Nixon was here today he would be asking the *'s what in the hell do they think they are doing? what the hell do they think they will accomplish? Did they not learn this is not the way to accomplish what they want to do. Because he would remind them the dangers of pissing of Democrats and pushing them to the point these bastards have. Hell if Reagan were living and well don't think he be doing some talking to these bastards. Because my friends the repukes laugh now, they think they rule this country, they feel that they have the power and democrats are a thing of the past.

Well let me remind everyone of one thing and I believe this with all my heart and soul and that is the only thing the repukes have managed to accomplish is to sign their own death sentence. And Democrats will get to enjoy with full pleasure of delivering that death sentence. This is a fight between good and evil. And the evil cannot use God to cover their tracks because that isn't the way it works. God is not a shield for peoples evil. And that is what repukes are trying to do is use God as a cover for all their evil doings and unkindness to others. These are hypocrites that will say and do anything to keep power over others and that use God as a tool to try to do it. That is not a christian that is nothing other than a pure sorry ass hypocrite.

We are in for a hard two years of fighting ahead. But Democrats will fight and we will fight hard and we will prevail. Come 2006 we will take back senate and house seats and you can believe that. Because two years from now people are going to being sick and I do mean literally sick of what they are going to be seeing. Because it is going to be one of those situations where it gets worse before it gets better. And that is because it will be hard as hell for Democrats to stop alot of the shit that this sorry bastard is going to push for because they are the minority, but they will fight like hell and they will be able to stop some. You will have some republicans agreeing and siding with Democrats on some issues because they are afraid of losing their seats in 2006 or they plan to run for president. I feel one of those will be John McCain. I might be wrong but I don't think so.

The one thing that will get these very republicans is their previous records and most Democrats will not side with any republican for any damn thing anymore. So if they help us in the house and senate thinking it will get them votes from those who sit on the fence so be I truly believe this is one time they only help us. Because even with people like McCain who most respected very much lost that respect totally after he decided to make a ass out of himself by being a major * ass kisser in this last election. That alone turned so many against McCain it wasn't even funny. Because I for one will never understand his reasoning for being so ignorant as to back a bastard that smeared him and his family as well as to someone he claims to be a good friend that they were currently doing the same to. And also know they had done the same to another great veteran (Max Cleland).
So I like many lost respect for him and see him as two-faced. But if he sides with us in the senate great but it won't change how I feel because I know he is only doing it for his own personal gain just as he did by campaigning for * against Kerry.

Once Democrats win back more fighting power and level the playing field in 2006 that is when we will start to see real change and when you start seeing real change Americans will continue to back those who brought about that change....DEMOCRATS! And in 2008 Democrats will take back the White House and Senate. And there is a damn good chance of taking back the house as well. But I believe with all my heart and soul you can bet Democrats will control the White House and Senate by 2008. Then my friends who will be laughing? Then my friends when we finally get to see our real president John Forbes Kerry at his inauguration and the dumbass * providing he has the balls to show his face after Kerry destroys him we will get to take great pleasure in booing his sorry fuckin ass when they introduce him just as these sorry ass fuckers did Kerry today. Payback is a bitch! And if there is one thing that a true democrat loves is paying back sorry asses that have disrespected one of our own! As the old saying goes two two can play that game!:evilgrin:

But for now we have to back Kerry all the way and fight for him and fight hard, because they are doing their damnest to destroy this man and his credibility. They know he is the biggest threat out there. Many of these bastards after all were also part of the Nixon administration and know all to well their sorry ass is in clear and present danger. So as I said it is just like the Nixon years and they are working just as hard from inside the White House to bring Kerry down today as they did then. But they will fail! We will fight! We will not allow these bastards to destroy our leader, our president!
Instead we will destroy these bastards! We have our presidents back! These bastards will pay for all they have done to us, America, and our great leader and president!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:17 PM
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8. Has anyone ever told you?
You're beautiful when you're angry!

You go girl! I love your passionate responses.

I believe!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:54 PM
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11. Only You Tay Tay
But thank you! I'm ready to fight and bring these bastards down! And after they booed John today like they I'm more determine ever! I have been saving money because when it comes time to get out there and campaign I'm hitting the road. I'm hoping to find a group to travel with but if not I guess it will be me and my daughter. We are going on the road fighting for John this time. We aren't just going to work in a campaign office this time. We are planning on trying to speak out and damn loud at that! And if for some reason he doesn't run for president although I believe he is for sure running but if not we are going to Massachusetts and speak out and help with the senate campaign. But we will be working for the president and I believe that with all my heart and soul!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:31 PM
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14. I have had them tell me I write good rants
when I get pissed LMAO.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:50 PM
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15. Me too Tay Tay
I believe!!!!!!!!
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