How Many People Get Sick Of All These Assholes Saying John Can't Run Again

[angrydemocrat]

Hell every time you turn around you keep hearing all these assholes saying John Kerry thinks he is going to run in 2008 for president. WTF? Or rather who the fuck do they think they are are or they are kidding? If John Kerry wants to run for president in 2008 he can and there is not a damn thing none of these assholes can do to stop it. That is not left up to them that is strictly left up to John to decide and I think it is pretty damn obvious he has made that choice and will be running. And this shit about Hilliary is going to be the one to beat. I don't know about all of you but everyone I know have said there is no way they will vote for Hilliary in the primaries. And most here at DU are saying the same thing. They all agree she is a great senator and Hilliary will win her senate race in 2006 but as far as president she would be a major disaster. And I don't see her winning the presidential nominee.

The field is going to be full in 2008 that is for sure. Here are the ones I think you can say are for sure running in 2008:

Democrats: Repukes:

1)John Kerry 1)John McCain
2)John Edwards 2)Bill Frist
3)Wes Clark 3)George Allen
4)Al Gore 4)Rudy Guilliani
5)Hilliary Clinton
6)Evan Bayh (Big Possible Right Now)

[GRLMGC]

1. I'm honestly not concerned about 2008 right now

It's just too soon to tell how the climate will be. Maybe 2004's candidates will fit and maybe they won't. Four years ago, I'd never even heard of John Kerry, Howard Dean, or Wesley Clark.

[angrydemocrat]

5. Sorry All My Words Ran Together Like That

To late to edit and fix I didn't pay attention to it until now. Wonder why it does that cause hell you can type it in one way and when it comes up all of the words are crammed as if you didn't space them. Oh well.

Anyhow I think about it because I keep up with the news and so forth. And trust me it is never to early to think or get started on these types of things. There are many people out there working at it already. It pays to have a head start on a lot of things. As I said I keep up with the news and all that is being said.

And candidates don't just come right out in the beginning and say I'm running that don't happen until it gets closer to time for it to start. But you can watch there actions and the remarks they make and tell who planning on running and who isn't. Just like Al Gores wife is talking about he is thinking of seriously running and now he has a website up to attract his supporters. I have always kept up with John and it became obvious about him long before he ever announced it this last time. And Bill Frist isn't running for his senate seat again and you can tell by his actions that he is running. There are ways of figuring it out. Of course I have always been addicted to the politics and that makes a difference as well.

But seriously it is never to early. Just look around and see how many have already started by checking out websites, listening to the news, you will see that is one of the big issues right now as well as the senate and congress races of 2006.

[JI7]

2. he hasn't made the final decision on whether to run

he is considering it but it's too early to know . there are a lot of factors involved in it. he will also get tougher competition from those who say he can't win in the south. they tried that last year but it didn't work that well since they didn't have much proof. but they could use it against him now.

the most important right now is the 2005 and 2006 elections.

[angrydemocrat]

8. I know the 2005 and 2006 are important

But I also feel it is important to keep up with all of it and I always have done that. Many people do. It is never to early that is where your wrong. If it was to early to be thinking or discussing it then it would not be a big issue to the cable news to keep up with, newspapers, and talk radio. Nobody says the 2006 elections aren't important because they are but you are wrong when you say it is to early to talk about 2008 and work towards that as well. There is a such thing as doing more than one thing or one job. It is happening all over the place now. So I'm sorry you are wrong.

Now there are a lot of factors involved regardless of who is thinking of running or actually runs but do you think these people will wait till after 2006 to start to get things together? Do you think they will wait till 2006 to try to figure out how much backing or support they may or may not have? Do you think they will wait till 2006 to start putting a campaign together? No they don't they start on that early they can't wait till the last minute. That would be crazy in itself. And they may not say I'm running but there actions and words alone will tell you alto. And if you think I feeding you a line of shit here maybe you should start checking out other websites listening to the news ect. more often. Hell Matthews just had on his show tonight a big thing on this very thing. And the names I listed were said to be for sures in running except for Gore and they made the remark Kerry thinks he can run.

Now the thing about the south sure they can use it against John. So what? Does that mean it will keep him from winning anything? Well that is yet to be seen. And as far as not winning no state in the south well the fact is I do believe many pretty well have doubts about that being true as well. No it wasn't proven but it sure as hell didn't remove the doubt from democrats. But I'm here to tell ya your talking to the wrong person if you think you will cast doubt in my mind about this man being able to win. Because I know what the mn is capable of and I know he doesn't give up. And if he runs which I'm willing to bet you he does I'm also willing to bet you he wins.

[JI7]

10. i'm not saying it keeps them from thinking about it at all

i'm talking about for most of us the true picture of who will/will not run will come about after the 2006 elections.

of course those who want to run are thinking about it in some ways but even their final decisions wont be made until later.

kerry was thinking of running in 2000 also for a while but decided not to because he didn't think he could win.

it doesn't really matter whether anyone on some political forum says Kerry can't/wont or will run again. his decision wont be based on those things.

[angrydemocrat]

14. It don't keep them from getting organized either

There are those that are already organizing as well. They are digging up the dirt on who their potential opponents will be and setting the tone for there own agenda. They don't just discuss the issue. If they waited till the last minute to do anything they would be up the shit creek without a paddle. That is the whole point of all these people finding out early who they may or will for sure be up against. That is also one of the reasons so many wait till the last minute to announce they are running. Because there are many who know for a fact that they are running long before they ever publicly announce it.

I also know it doesn't matter wether someone from a political forum says he can't run. In the opening post I state that it doesn't matter that it is up to Kerry not them if he runs and it is pretty obvious he is. All I was saying was I get tired of the assholes making the dumbass remarks because it isn't up to them and asked if anyone else ever got tired of hearing it.

But in all seriousness here there are opponents that have already made their minds up to run in 2008. Their decisions have already been made there is no doubt. While others are still considering. But one of the best examples I can give you is Frist senate seat is up in 2006 and he is not running for the senate and he is not going back to being a doctor full time either. All he does in the doctoring line now is what it takes to keep his license up. And take it from someone who lives in the shitty state Tenn. and has family working in the medical feild here it is well known he is running. And there are more than him that have already made their minds up.

[TayTay]

18. Gawd I can't stand Frist.

I have a feeling he is going to be the Rethug candidate. But he is extremely wooden and unlikeable. (Does he have Gore's seat?) He should be able to tap all that nice Rethug money, but he is going to have to have a major makeover before he breaks out of wacko-land and becomes a more viable candidate.

Pundits don't know anything. Well, they can probably tell you the latest DC gossip and who is doing who and they can pontificate on the state of the world but they don't know anymore than your or I do about what is going to happen. And they will know even less in the next Pres cycle. The world is changing and the power is decentralizing back into the hands of the party regulars. DC is going to play less of a role in choosing the next Dem nominee.

This is a wide open race next time with no incumbent running. The closest thing to an incumbent may, I say may, be JK or Hillary. (How odd.) Anything is possible. (Hey, they said the Red Sox would never win the World Series, but they did.) Kerry could run again, he still has a lot of affection out there. Who knows. We shall see. In the mean time, he needs to be classy, smart and relentless in exposing the awful things that this Admin has done. Do that and bide your time.

[angrydemocrat]

60. You Hate Frist? Imagine How I Feel Living In This Shitty State

Hell I can't stand the bastard. He is going to be running that is for sure and you wait and see if he isn't backed by * and cronies. He has sucked there ass all this time and when * says jump he does. When * wants something pushed he calls on Frist. With * and cronies help is how he became the majority leader. They want him because he sucks there ass! And if he wins the primaries and * and cronies will push to see his does you wait and see who his vice pres pick is. None other than Jeb Bush. Scary thought? Well wait and see if what I'm telling ya don't happen. Jeb I don't think will run because like the talk is on the news, some papers and even heard a little on talk radio this country is *whacked. They are not ready for another to be president. But that don't stop the bastards from putting one on the ticket for VP and he be ready the next round.

McCain is running but he will go through another smearing. John will run and I believe with everything in my heart and soul he will and if he gets past the primaries which again I believe he will John will win in 2008. Think about it Tay Tay look at what he is doing now, think about how he has been in the past in these situations, think about the Weld race, and remember the statement he made after this loss he said "Sometimes God Test You. I Lost Before. But I'm A Fighter", he is keeping his website going, kept the emails going to supporters, started his own PAC, his daughters have already said they would do it all over again, and Teresa hasn't said anything that I know of about but if she didn't support him running again he wouldn't start a PAC and keep his campaign website up and running full speed, hell he would work from his senate website as he always has in the past so if she wasn't ready to do it again that would be history. He is running. And he will be a hell of a lot better prepared, he will have a better campaign staff (John learned a hard lesson on that issue I think), and he will be more open and fighting like hell. He is running.!

[blm]

3. What Dems want to go up against a McCain/Hagel ticket?

Because THAT will be the ticket for the GOP.

That is the ticket that will get ALL the broadcast pundits drooling with a sycophancy far beyond what you see for Bush because it will be sincere.

[GRLMGC]

4. the Repubs won't nominate McCain

They want to keep the neocon thing going on. I'm thinking Frist if Jeb doesn't run. They'll stab McCain in the back and it'll be ugly.

[blm]

7. McCain will win that battle because if the neo-cons are still in control

by 2007, they will also be taking the blame for us being in Iran or wherever BushInc invades next.

McCain and Hagel both know how to separate themselves from Bush's policies when they attack them from the military standpoint. That's why their criticisms always make news. By then, they'll have endeared themselves to all those Republicans tired of propping up Bush on his poor military decisions.

The media pundits LOVE these guys. That will make a big difference.

[GRLMGC]

28. Great four more years of Republicans

I'm sick of Republicans

[JohnKleeb]

30. you and me both

all of us 18-24 people are Reagan babies.

[GRLMGC]

32. Reagan

Don't get me started on that guy. I am especially bitter about that government because of my family experiences. If you wanna get me riled up, try to tell me that the whole "Salvador Option" was an okay thing and I'll rip your head off (Not anyone here, just anyone who'd suggest that)

[JohnKleeb]

39. I am sorry about what happened to your family

Hes a bastard, my grandfather who worked at the NLRB for many years foresaw the bullshit he would bring.

[GRLMGC]

42. So true

and he's so worshipped, it's disgusting. It's not like he did very much good like FDR did

My family's okay. We came here. It kind of pisses me off when I see all of these anti-immigrant threads. They're more subtle and address illegal immigration, which I understand is a problem but there are reasons people flee their home countries

[JohnKleeb]

44. Since Ive fled GD

What anti immigrant threads are you talking about? Of course, I am very pro immigration myself because of what my family went through in Ireland, Germany, Slovakia, and Slovenia. I know through my family members who grew up speaking another language than english, its hard to adept. Reagan is often worshipped by White Yuppies, people who worship FDR come from all backgrounds, I love FDR myself.

[GRLMGC]

45. Well, there aren't that many

but its the same crap like "Oh, they take our jobs" or "Oh, they need to learn English". Okay, yeah they need to learn English but its not that easy. It's easier for someone who is very young to adapt but not that easy for someone who's older. As to the jobs thing: A. They're not jobs most people would take and B. Blame the employers who are paying slave wages

[JohnKleeb]

47. Yep you got it

English isn't easy to learn. My great grandmother lived here for 43 years after she immigrated from Slovakia, she never learned English really according to my grandma.

[GRLMGC]

49. Yeah, neither has my grandma

My mom speaks it almost flawlessy as do her brothers because she was 12 when she came and my uncles were even younger. It really has to do with age, I think.

[JohnKleeb]

53. my mom's parents werent immigrants themselves

but they grew up speaking Slovak and Slovene. I think their fathers had a tough time learning English too. I am always willing to help out immigrants myself, we had a phillphinan immigrant transfer to my chem class, and me and a friend helped him out, and one of my good buddies in government is from Afghanstan, Ive helped him look for places to do community service, taught him some politics, hes no fan of Bush, even though he is personally conservative as are many Muslim 1st generation people that I know.

[GRLMGC]

59. delete

I was just upset. It's not right but there's nothing I can do about it

[vinessa4freedom]

66. try being your age when he was president

And there were so few kids like you.

[angrydemocrat]

61. No Way!

People can call me crazy, getting ahead of myself, I'm dreaming what the hell ever but I'm telling everyone Kerry will run and unless he has a major fuck up and I don't see it happening as far as fucking up and he will WIN!! And those that think I'm out of my mind or I'm dreaming cause its to early well all I can say as time goes along lets just see how many start seeing I'm not.

And Kerry is already starting to turn those that turned on him and doubted him into fools and a lot of those people have started saying "well I can't stay mad at him", "if he keeps doing what he's doing I will give him another chance", "we do need Kerry", "we need to rethink the logic about when a candidate loses that's it he has his shot mentality" blah, blah, blah. I seen some change in attitude here but I see more change on other sites other than DU. People like what they see, some are just now realizing what this man is truly capable of and what he is all about. Sad but true I don't know if these people slept through the campaign or they just didn't want to learn what this man was capable of and what he was about. Sure there are still plenty of bashers as well but the more the man fights Bush and his cronies you watch and see how many of these haters or on the fence people change their tunes.

Hell No we won't have four more years of repukes! You will have a president Kerry next time.

[JI7]

6. i think many Democrats who really want to become President

will put off running in 2008 if it looks like McCain will be on the Republican ticket.

it's pretty easy to tell what the republican ticket will be about a year or 2 before their primary even starts voting. because the entire party gathers behind that person early on. this actually helps them in a way because it prevents an ugly primary that divides the party.

mccain only did well because he got independent and democratic votes. and many of the democrats only voted for him because they hated bush, like myself. we would have voted for gore or bradley in november even if mccain had been the candidate.

but if major party figures get behind mccain early on he will win. especially since he campaigned for the chimp.

[angrydemocrat]

9. McCain Is Running

I will bet you money on that one.

Edit to add: The one Bush will be backing is Frist not McCain.

[TayTay]

11. I don't know, McCain doesn't have a deep tap

into all that nice Rethug money. He did okay in NH back in '00, but the guy will be 72 years old in 2008. The oldest guy ever to be elected Pres was Reagan and he was 69. It could happen, but there are obstacles. A lot of Rethugs hate McCain and Hagle is not well known. And Hagle is not really a REthug. There would be problems. Plus, the whole of Rethuggery is in for a meltdown, you can just feel it coming. These guys have screwed up bigtime and they will not be able to hold their coalitions together.

Kerry could run again. I think the biggest obstacle is family opposition. (I'm still not completely sure that Teresa wants to go through that again. Then again, she is one tough broad, so it could happen.) None of Kerry's money guys have backed off. Big John is learning real fast about using the internet for more than just raising money. (The letters on Health Care for Children, the USO letter, the Rumsfeld and the Condi letter were great. No requests for money for the PAC. Yet. Wonderful stuff.) His vote the other day was a real sign that he is NOT going to play ball with * or his wacko friends on Cap. Hill. Yeah. This is going to get real interesting.

Of course none of this matters for two more years. First the Dems have to become a more cohesive party and they have to get their arguments out into the public arena. This is going to be difficult, but not impossible. Social Security could be the major issue that does the Rethugs in. (Grandma got run over by a Rethug. On the way to cash her pension check.) If Dems can pin the coming SSI debacle on Rethugs and their desire to screw the working people, then Dems will be in the catbird seat. Stay tuned. I promise you, things are going to start to get real interesting, real soon.

[JohnKleeb]

12. Hagel aint well liked by the rank and file either

our class conservatives in poly sci hate him.

[TayTay]

13. Hmmm, if Hagle, McCain and Kerry all ran

That would be 3 combat vets in one race. Hagle is not a bad guy (for a Repub) though he is too conservative for my tastes. But Kerry likes him and was able to work well with him over the years. (Probably why Rethuggery hates him.)

In any case, the Vietnam generation will pass with the 2008 race. Then it will be up to the Gen Xers.

[JohnKleeb]

15. Hagel is decent

I actually talked to him briefly, a nice guy. Would not vote for the gay marriage ban, he said.

[angrydemocrat]

20. The damn swifty liars would have a damn feild day.

Although I have to say I have heard alot about Hagel running I think he would also be a part of a smear campaign. But I'm willing to bet money Kerry and McCain run. And if something doesn't get done about these swifty liars now they will both face more smear tactics from the bastards. But I think Kerry has had enough of their shit as far as he goes and will do something.

[paulk]

22. is it because he's been critical of Bush

and the neocon foreign policy? What do you think?

[TayTay]

33. The neocons philosophy is based on lies

None of those bastards have ever been in a war. They develop policies based on wishful or magical thinking. Look at Iraq. They were foaming at the mouth to get back in power and take out Iraq. They truly believed that Iraqis would be throwing flowers and chocolates at US troops and that the US would be able to largely pull troops out of Iraq six months after the invasion. Six months. Two years later, Iraq is on the verge of civil war, which could carry over to other areas of the Middle East. (Saudi Arabia is very shaky right now. Half their population is under 21 and the job situation is bad. Ripe for a revolt.)

These bastards now want to take out Iran. (OK, destroy Iran's nuke sites, but we know what they mean.) They have not learned a damn thing. They think Iraq was a success.

Hagle is no dummy. He knows what the score is and that the Iraq situation is very bad. It's going to be very difficult for any Repub to run after the mess Bush has made. (All the insurgents have to do is take out a couple of big refineries and that will disrupt a lot of the oil market. Oil could hit $100 or $150 bucks a barrel. Then what happens.) This is serious shit, and the Repubs have screwed up badly. Hagle knows this. He (actually no Repub) can run with this kind of legacy.

Oh, and kudos to Kerry for going to Fallujah. Jayzus, that place is destroyed. The Islamic world got the pics of that place after the Americans destroyed it. This is not good. Very, very bad shit doing on over there. And the weed and his willfully ignorant friends just go on as if God ordained this. Scary shit.

[angrydemocrat]

17. McCain Is Running

But I truly don't think he will get anywhere because of Frist and the dirty tricks. And you wait and see if I'm not right he will regret kissing *'s ass during this past campaign. Because Bush will be backing Frist all way not McCain and you wait and see if you don't see more dirty ass smear tactics done to the man. If McCain had any since he would work with Kerry to put these Swifty Liars out of commission. Because they will be the ones helping to do it. And as we know it doesn't necessarily have to be about their war records. They did it once and if they get the chance they will do it again. They have said publicly they don't agree with McCain and some of that group even made a point to let it be known they don't care for him either.

[paulk]

25. that ticket would be hard to beat

but will the fundie right let it happen?

A race to watch for an indication of where the Republicans are heading will be the 2006 Colorado governor's race. If the Republicans run a moderate like Ben Nightsoil Campbell, it may mean the more traditional conservative wing is making a comeback over the xtian whacko wing.

[JI7]

31. i heard Ben Campbell has cancer

i was wondering if that was why he didn't run for Senate again.

[TayTay]

34. Sorry to hear that.

Although, I never liked him once he went Repub. I don't think people who get elected with the money and support of one party ought to switch when they are in office. Seems like trickery to me.

But I am sorry to hear that. I wish him well.

[paulk]

41. I hadn't heard that

the story here was an ethics violation of some sort involving one of his aides - don't remember the details.

He's been mentioned fairly recently as saying he was interested in running for governer. I'll have to check this out.


on edit - he was treated for prostate cancer in March of last year - that was the given reason for him dropping out of the Senate race - although the local talk was the aforementioned ethics problems.

[JI7]

50. i heard it from someone on DU

you are right about the ethics violations thing. that's what i had heard also. but when i heard about him having cancer i was wondering if it could be that.

if he is thinking of running for governor then i'm guessing the cancer is probably in early stage and the type that can easily be cured and his leaving the Senate was because of the ethics issue.

[TayTay]

55. Can Owens be had?

I thought he was popular. Does CO have any term limits laws?

[paulk]

58. Owens is term limited

and he's got a skeleton in his closet. He and his wife are seperated, and the rumor is (and it's more than a rumor) - she wasn't real happy about the child Mr. Owens fathered on the side a couple of years ago.

There seems to have been some kind of agreement made with the local press not to splash this everywhere as long as Owens fades gracefully into the sunset once his term is over.


Republican family values!

[elshiva]

16. Of course Kerry can run,

I'd vote for him again. If got the nomination because he is a fine Democrat. I'd vote for any good Democrat gets the nomination, I'm a yellow dog.
I am now thinking more about the 2006 MD Gov Race. MD's Ehrlich has got to go. Mayor Martin O'Malley is the best to take him down. O'Malley is yet another handsome, Democratic Roman Catholic rockstar. Just pray for him or another Dem (his running is not official yet) gets to go to Annapolis.

[JohnKleeb]

19. O'Malley is an Irish Catholic

:D, hes cool, even cooler is the fact that the head of the NAACP may run for Sarbanes seat if he decides not to run.

[TayTay]

21. Mfume might run?

Cool. He is a good guy. I like him a lot.

We in MA hav to get rid of Mitt Romney. If he wins his next Gov race, then he will run for Pres. (Gross, choke, vomit.) Romney pissed off a lot of MA people when he went around the country with * and ran down the state in the last Pres election. Payback time coming. We just have to get out to the Western part of the state and reconnect with the voters. Boston will not be able to defeat ole Mitt without western MA help. I just hope and pray that Kerry comes out to campaign with whoever the Dem nominee is and reminds people of what Mitt did in not defending the honor of MA from those Rethug assholes. That would be sweet. I would travel great distances (well, 50 miles is a great distance around here) to see that rally.

Gawd I can't stand Romney. I just want to dance on his political grave. Bastard.

[JohnKleeb]

23. only if Sarbines retires yes

[elshiva]

24. What, Kwesi Mefume (sp?)

that would be nice. Of course he's Irish, he has a rock band called O'Malley's March which Baltimorons call O'Malley's Muscles because he always plays with a sleeveless shirt. I don't like his singing, but I agree with his politics. More funding for housing and education in Baltimore this year, thanks to him.

[JohnKleeb]

26. Ive been reading that yes

are they really called Baltimorons lol, I love Baltimore. I am a huge orioles fan.

[elshiva]

27. Yep, Baltimorons

is a term of endearment. Baltimoron also refers to the Baltimore dialect as in, "Hi, hon have ya eht yet?"

[JohnKleeb]

29. Theres a Baltimore dialect? I never noticed

I sometimes sound like a Pittsburger when I say you ins.

[elshiva]

35. Dialect is dying out

but listen to Sen. Mikulski she's still got the accent.
Popular Baltimoron is "Hon," "Goin' Down da Ocean (going to Ocean City)"
"Cowwitch (college)," "assperrygrass (asperagus)" and of course "Bawlmer, Murlin."
Also the tendency to pronouce "c" as "g" so "I was coming down..." becomes "I was gumming down."

[Withywindle]

46. Ha ha!

Yup, there totally is a Bald'mer accent. My grandparents had it big time, my dad still does a little. (He's from there. Grandma, aunt and cousin live out in Towson now, but...)

[TayTay]

36. Now that we are on the subject

Does Kerry have a Boston accent. It doesn't sound like it to me, except when he says 'ideers.' Since I am too close to the subject, I need an outsiders perspective.

BTW, Kennedy has a Kennedy accent. No one else talks like that anywhere in the world. It's partly Boston, partly I don't know what.

[GRLMGC]

37. No hardcore accent

I had this history teacher once who had a crazy Boston accent. It really stands out in Los Angeles. It was awesome

[TayTay]

38. Ahm, I have that accent

I couldn't say one sentence, but you would know where I was from.

The Boston accent exists in some Boston neighborhoods, but has mainly migrated out to the suburbs.

The main Boston accent is around the fabled missing 'r's from some words that get tacked on to words that end in vowels, like Chiner, and ideer and the 'o's that sound like 'a's and the weird 'r' sound you make on some words. That's why nobody who isn't from here can do the accent. They simply cannot pronouce third with that lightest of all 'r' sounds.

I sometimes hear Boston in Kerry, then sometimes I don't. Depends on how long he has been in-state, I guess.

[GRLMGC]

43. It's a great accent

I'm sure Californians have some sort of accent but I don't hear it (maybe it's because I'm from CA, haha). It's so bland.

[TayTay]

48. I went to CA in summer 2003

My daughter was interviewing to get into UCLA. We took a tour of the campus with this kid from CA. He sounded like a surfer dude. There was a definite accent there. I don't know how localized it was or if is just a SoCal thing, but it was there.

The Boston accent has definte variants around the area. Rhode Islanders sound much like Massholes. The farther north you get, the slower the speech pattern, so it's the same accent, just not at 200 mph. Interesting.

[GRLMGC]

52. I kind of sound like a valley girl (which is embarassing)

and I say like a lot. I don't know if like is popular around the whole country. I suspect not. Actually, I sound like a valley girl (kind of) with some people and I slip into "Hispanic girl" with others. It depends.

[JohnKleeb]

54. hah thats ok

I am weird myself how I talk, I sometimes will say eh like a Canadian, but sometimes I say y'all like a southerner which I am but sometimes I say you ins, thats how they talk in the part of Pa where my grandparents are from.

[Withywindle]

51. I finally realized what a total GIRL I can be...

...when everytime Kerry said "idear" in the debates, I kept squeaking because it was so fucking cute.


(Note that all of *'s stupid language-mangling was just like nails on a blackboard, conversely)

[TayTay]

57. Really? Cute!

When I went away to college in DC, people used to tell me that Boston girls sound like truck drivers. (I defended myself and said, "We f*cking do not.")

I noticed that he said 'idear' or 'ideer.' It gave me the warm and fuzzies. He's a homeboy after all. (Okay, one joke making the rounds here during the Pres run was, "Well, where are they going to put his Library." JK doesn't have a home town, so nobody knew.)

[angrydemocrat]

62. LMAO

You are wild Tay Tay! But I know how you feel about having to defend yourself about having a accent. I was born and lived in Orando Fla. until my parents moved to this shitty ass place. (This is their home state) Anyway when we first moved her other people made fun of my accent all the time. I would get mad and scream at them "well at least I don't talk like a dumbass hillbilly!" But OMG as bad as I hate to admit I have lived around here so damn long now I talk like a dumbass hillbilly. Gross! Not proud of it either but the shit wears off on ya. I guess I'm just damn lucky I don't think or act like a dumbass hillbilly.

When we move to Boston I will probably be made fun of all the time until I finally drop the damn accent. Actually it is embarrassing. I have a friend in California and I met her on a POGO website where we play spades sometimes and anyhow we eventually gave each other our phone numbers. I have free long distance so I always call her unless she just couldn't find mind me then she would call. So the first time I ever called and she was expecting me to call she was like who is this? When I told her it was me she laughed so hard. I asked her what her problem was and she was trying to quit laughing and said hell you talk funny. I'm like well gee thanks LOL. She like to never got use to me. So I will be the laughing stock when I move there.

[TayTay]

64. Not really

If you have a Southern accent, you will be asked where you came from and what you are doing so far up north. (And you will be continually asked why you moved to MA. We are very insecure up here and can't believe people want to live here by choice. It's cold up here. Be prepared.)

I work with two folks from Down South. One is from coastal Alabama and the other is from the Dallas area. I adore their accents. (They talk so slow though.)

Boston is changing (as it should. Nothing stays static in life, ever.) Our newest groups of immigrants to our fair city are mainly from the Carribbean and Latin America. (Spanish is now the second biggest language spoken in Boston, followed by Portuguese.) The city is now 49% white, 51% non-white. The suburbs are still incredibly white. (This will change and become more integrated but this will take decades.) We have our faults and are far, far from perfect. But I like Boston. I like the feistiness of the people. (True Bostonians don't take shit from anybody, including pols. I know this is off topic, but it's kind of what I like about Kerry. Meeting constituents must have been a trial at times because people have absolutely no compunctions about telling pols what they think, to their face. It's a characteristic of New Englanders in general.)

You are wlecome. But be aware of how expensive it is up here. (Really, major, major sticker shock. We are an extremely expensive area for everything from food to gas.) Consider carefully where you live. The Lowell area is realtively cheaper. (Relatively.) It is an up and comer in terms of culture and things to do. And it has a commuter train that can get you to the heart of Boston in 45 minutes.

[WildEyedLiberal]

67. I have a really odd accent

In my opinion, true Midwesterners don't have accents. We pronounce words the way the dictionary tells you to. However, I've had plenty of people tell me I sound "southern," which I don't understand at all. I don't have a drawling southern accent, and I DO tend to speak fast - especially when I'm excited, and then it speeds up to about 100 mph.

Of course, most of the people telling me this are from CHICAHHGA, which has the WEIRDEST accent in the world (sorry Withywindle, it's true). Also, it doesn't help that I don't have an overly "girly" voice. I think I sound like Daria from that MTV show, which probably exacerbates the "accent." I did grow up in the country and pick up some rural colloquialisms from my Dad, a true blue farm boy, so I suppose when I migrate out of the boondocks, I'll have to tone those down lest I become the target of mockery.

[JohnKleeb]

40. Sorta, not really park da car in garage type though

Yes, Kennedy has a Kennedy accent.

[Withywindle]

56. Here's a couple really nice recent pro-Kerry diaries from DailyKos...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/20/232641/484


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/20/124259/549


There's some sniping in the comments, but I take a lot of heart in knowing how much deep love and admiration for him there really is out there. It's stronger than the petty griping, I truly believe--because it's based on something much more real.

[Vektor]

63. I definitely want Kerry to run again in 2008!

I think by 2008 a lot of the post-election bitterness and whining that we see here will have blown over - besides, the Anti-Kerry whiners we see on DU and Kos are only a small portion of the Dem/Progressive party - 57 million people voted for Kerry - the vast majority of them have not gotten caught up in all the election fraud drama - so they have no bitterness like some of the die-hard wonks here do. I think he could win it next time, but he needs more pro-active campaign advisors...I know Kerry's a gentleman, but he will need to hit the issues a little harder - grab people's attention a bit more aggressively next time around.

[JI7]

65. i would watch him on Cspan and read up on him almost everyday

i would go online and check out the news pics posted of him all the time. and from that he was doing a great job, people loved him and he looked great.

but the problem is that most people and especially the undecided swing voter types don't do what i did. they just check the news every once in a while but don't do any in depth research or reading to see what is going on. many get their news from late night comedy shows. and from what i know the big media mostly ignored what Kerry was doing. or if they reported on him they would always report the right wing spin.

this is actually what happened during the primary also. but in the primary it was focused on iowa only which allowed Kerry to directly connect with the voters so they got to see him even if the media ignored him or trashed him or whatever else. this is tough and impossible when running a national campaign.

but it does show the problem is the media and how we get our message out. Kerry gained a lot from the debates. it was the first time many first saw him directly without the right wing spin and they saw how great he was. if people were able to get that direct view of Kerry throughout the entire campaign as the primary voters in iowa and new hampshire were able to then he would have won by much more.

[ginnyinWI]

68. I wouldn't sell him short!

Although it is certainly early days.

I'm reading The Candidate right now (Paul Alexander) all about Kerry in the primaries. The man has good political instincts! When he relies on them, he does very well. I think things got a little muddled in the middle of 2004 with all the managers--he probably won't make that mistake twice. I think running toward the center doesn't really work.

It seems like there is a renewed Democratic party in Congress lately--not interested in being Repub-lite.