Then the aliens came and put these things in my head

[TayTay]

Oh boy! Some days GD is really strange. Other days I think it's just incredibly odd.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1086301

Did Kerry really control the peace movement? That's a new one on me. Teresa controls Code Pink and ordered them into the holding pens in Boston. Someone didn't get their electroshock on time.

Gawd. These are funny. I haven't responded to these and I probably won't, but they are really baked.

Do you think the Kerrys can see into my head? Maybe I should buy more tinfoil, this hat has an opening in it.

[ginnyinWI]

1. lol!

I should NOT have been taking a sip of my herbal tea when I read that last line!

[Island Blue]

2. The poster just joined DU today

and they already have 27 posts to their credit. Very chatty this one is.

[TayTay]

3. But they are so upfront with their paranoid delusion

I mean the delusions themselves are sort of interesting, but clearly insane. Why would anyone want to pay to screw up a movement that screws itself up for free. (There may or may not be merit to the ANSWER people and the Free Mumia stuff that shows up at peace rallies. However, it is distracting to the cause at hand, ending the war. Unless THK is funding Free Mumia, then she ain't the one screwing up the peace movement.)

Why do lefty freepers always assume that 'movements' would proceed without a hitch if only they weren't infiltrated by whatever group they despise at the moment? 'tis a puzzlement. Wasn't VVAW infiltrated, yet they managed to make some significant noise that had a real effect. Maybe this present bunch is just incompetent. Why doesn't that ever occur to anyone? Why is it always a damn conspiracy that does in the noble but naive peace activists with hearts of gold?

[rockymountaindem]

5. You forget the fact that large, grassroots movements are easy to organize

Their failure to succeed, and quickly, is evidence enough of sabotage by exogenous forces. Have you learned nothing?

:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

7. You know

this is because Kerry's plan for withdrawal is getting support from all corners.

[karynnj]

10. The fact that she's quoting Counterpunch

and saying the dissent speech was ridiculous shows that they really really don't know how to handle this. I assume mush of the hatred on the extreme left of the 70s was because the rift in society was so deep over the Vietnam War, that the extreme left thought we were headed for revolution. Kerry, though protesting the war moved some people back within the system.

It likely annoys them that with the dissent speech, he could do that a second time, though the threat is considerably less as the country is positioned much further to the right.

[ProSense]

12. Excellent point! n/t

[karynnj]

8. I assume the former prosecutor she's married

to would not be thrilled with the Free Mumia movement. That speculation is beyond weird and you're right it is the inclusion of every anti-establisment cause that makes the protests completely useless. There is no way that any serious anti-war politician - no matter how antiwar - his or her district could join them when there are Free Mumia signs.

Seeing this right after Kerry was speaking of Teresa and himself doing lots of homework on things like speeches or the health care work Teresa is doing - and seeing the beautiful video clip of them was just weird. This poster just can't see two very hard working people doing real things versus people writing Counterpunch.

[fedupinBushcountry]

4. I saw that post earlier

and it was so ridiculous, I couldn't even post. All I could think of putting was ROTFLMAO :rofl: :tinfoilhat:

What's even more ridiculous are the one's agreeing with her and even 2 recommended it. :wtf: My God where do these types come from. :crazy:

[karynnj]

9. All I could think of was, pc though it's not :

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

And she's only up to about 28 posts - The odd thing was the repaated comment that bashing Kerry is not allowed here - what a difference from last year.

[JI7]

14. there was one during the Primary on Skull and Bones

the skull and bones crap started popping up again after he won in Iowa. there was one post which brought up how he would have sex in a coffin and some other weird stuff.

and somehow all of this was supposed to explain how Kerry won in Iowa through corrupt means.

[JohnKleeb]

15. ha oh yes

Yeah coffin fucking is how Kerry won Iowa. They just love doing that there dontcha know :eyes: That dude was a twit then he revealed his real identity after the election than had some ass try to say that some freeper had hijacked his account. He was bat shit and I mean bat shit.

[JI7]

16. looking back it was so obvious he was a Freeper

almost everything he posted was aimed at attacking someone or something in the Democratic Party. it was mostly Kerry and he moved on to attacking Clark when Clark started going up in polls. but i don't think he really had any positive post on a Democrat. he claimed to support Gore and Dean but most of his posts were still attacking Kerry or Clark.

[JohnKleeb]

17. Didn't he say something about how Clark caused

something to do with African mantits? It was just bizzare. I remember someone who attacked Kerry, uhh TLM I think was the name who attacked Kerry with the very same attack that the swift boat vets did in regards to the rocket launcher guy who was shot and killed by Kerry and got Kerry a silver metal.

[JI7]

18. yeah

that was his attack on Clark. he also once dug up something on Clark . can't remember what it was but it turns out it was someone else with the same name.

and Kerry was often attacked on his military service with people using the right wing attacks against him. DU is more strict with these things these days. but at that time it was allowed regularly.

[JohnKleeb]

19. I had forgotten all about that attack

until I saw him attacked for it by the Swifties. What bugged me the most about some supporters of candidates was how they claimed to be the only grassroots. It was really obnoxious so I guess if they are looking to know why they lost, that kind of arrogance won't get you far.

[ProSense]

6. One word comes to mind

twit!

[JohnKleeb]

11. Sigh what the fuck is wrong with some people

You think they treat Kerry bad, it's even worse what they do to my former governor. These people are exactly why whoever is next president is going to have a hard time healing wounds. We need to unite this country and that's why I like Kerry for president, I think he could do that better than anyone. Unity, that is hwat I want most in 2008. I am sick of the division. I am sick of a guy like Kerry being trashed by extremeists because he doesnt' conform to their narrow minded way of thinking.

[karynnj]

20. Former Governor ? Warner??

If that's who you mean, I haven't seen anything along those lines. The criticism I see is only that although he was a successful Democratic Governor in a Southern state, he has a pretty slim resume - one term as Governor (state law?) and no foreign policy experience. That is valid and fair. I've heard nothing like the character slams or lies Kerry faced (and faces).

[JohnKleeb]

27. Its pretty bad

Nah I got no problem with those who don't like the one term and lack of foreign policy experience but those who whine at him because he's a DLCer and obvious moderate and there for if president would be a republican who calls himself a democrat it's blind ignorance for a man they know nothing of. It's really lame shit coming from people who don't give a shit that the political climate here in Virginia has gotten better under Warner. Every time someone mentions Warner's it's usually to complain that he's not a fire breather. Kerry gets a lot of shit though especially for someone who has a nearly identical record to Kennedy and just recently offered a resolution that would withdraw the troops at the end of hte month. I think the hatred for Kerry that they have is blind because many of em are still pissed that Kerry had the nerve to actually beat their desired candidate in the primaries and that the election didn't work out how we wanted it.

[sandnsea]

13. "no brain, no pain"

Last post.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That about sums it up.

[karendc]

21. AiAiAi

This is hysterical and heart-warming, because it means that there are concerted efforts to push back at him. Nothing new here; we've all missed it, haven't we?

As for the notion that TH or JK even KNOW about UFPJ and COde Pink, or have 2 thoughts about them...

Global Exchange got some money from Tides, which TH also donated to on behalf some groups who were not yet incorporated (environmental mostly), who got money from TH's foundation through Tides. That will never happen again. Tides Foundation became a campaign issue, even though all of TH's money could be tracked directly from source to project. None of it went near the peace and justice groups.

I have been involved and at meetings with UFPJ, Code Pink, and several other commie-pinko-leftie coalitions over the past years. I can assure anyone that they are not getting any money from JK or THK. They are not getting money from anyone except their own small donors, and member groups. I know this because they have no money, no office space, and do everything out of their personal hides.

I do love the idea that someone out there THINKS these groups have money and clout though.

[TayTay]

22. This always bothers me because it's so juvenile and sad

in a way. Change is the hardest thing on earth to accomplish. It can take decades and years and years of work to get incremental positive change. That's just human nature.

The people who can't figure out why the 'protest movement' hasn't yet resulted in an end to the war are naive and silly. Just because some people have 'seen the light' doesn't mean the rest of the country has. Just because worthy causes aren't the toast of the town moments after they start up is not proof of bizarre conspiracy plans.

Sigh! The thing that always gets me about the complainers is how much they spurn the people who are actually trying to get something done. Real change is a commitment over time. It is not a 'been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, why isn't this finished yet' event.

Paranoid delusions are so hard to deal with because they are self-correcting. Truth gets twisted and thrown back in as a reinforcing element. It's amazing the lengths people will go to to try and figure out why their 'brilliant idea' wasn't immediately recognized as such and implemented by acclamation. (Must have been a conspiracy. My brilliant ideas are so good that only sabotage can bring them down. Sigh! No, many things can bring them down, including a population that isn't there yet. How many years did it take to end the last unpopular war anyway?)

[karynnj]

23. What I don't get is what is Counterpunch's real goal

Clearly in 2004, any Democratic candidate (even Lieberman) would have been less likely to start another war than GWB and they would all have worked to end Iraq. It seems that they spent at least as much time attacking the Democrats, and especially Kerry. I honestly thing that Cockburn might hate Kerry (and now Teresa) more than he does Bush. (Does he even respect this country's heritage?)

It almost as illogical as the Nadar idea that losing in 2000 was good because only by things getting bad enough would they change.

[TayTay]

24. That is a very dangerous idea.

Things can get bacd enough that we wind up with even worse demagogues than we have now. The weakness of Democracy is that anyone can get elected, even dictators who support seemingly populist notions. The idea of blowing things up and make them as bad as possible because then a Savior will emerge ignores the fact that a strong-man dictator can also emerge.

[ProSense]

25. Speaking of aliens!

May Day protest organized by communists (by Jerome Corsi)
WorldNet Daily - May 03 12:13 AM
Radical organizations, including active communist and revolutionary socialist organizations, were the driving force organizing the immigration boycott rally at Union Square in New York City on Monday.

[karynnj]

26. I can't believe the organizers chose the May 1 date

That invited this attack - it really was predictable.

I hope some day Corsi is as completely discredited as he should be. He has no redeeming qualities.

[karendc]

28. Well, there are communists

in the movement--some of them are good friends of ours. I keep pointing out to them that Stalin was bad for their PR, and their cause, but they persist....Meanwhile, they DO know how to organize. And some of them did help with the May 1 events.

[ProSense]

29. You do know that I was

referring to Corsi!